DUST Search - Balanced battles anyone?

Adipem Nothi wrote:

golem heartwindow wrote:

Can someone explain to me why ...

If my understanding's correct, there's now a High Mu queue and a Low Mu queue. Mu takes into account your performance metrics, which include your Win:Loss ratio. Supposedly, if you're a good player in the High Mu queue but you're consistently losing battles, you'll eventually be put into the Low Mu queue. Conversely, strong performance in the Low Mu queue will graduate you to the High Mu queue.

From what I've heard, the relative quality of fights in the Low Mu queue is pretty good. Which is awesome. From what I've seen firsthand, the quality of fights in the High Mu queue is in decline. "Stomp or be stomped" is the lay of the land, and non-stompers are faced with three bad options: (1) take a big financial loss and give the stompers hell, (2) run low-end gear and get your teeth kicked in, or (3) leave the battle, AFK or tool around in the redline.

The good news is that they're aware of the problem. Rattati has previously expressed interest in reducing squad sizes, changing payouts and pay structure, incentivizing "sticking out" the tough fights, etc. They're also tuning the matchmaking engine itself, which seems to be a work-in-progress: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=198028&find=unread

TL;DR: Hang in there! The Devs are working on it.

Acquisition is terrible, matchmaking is terrible, your game is still riddled with bugs, you should feel bad.

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golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 1	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:30:00 - [1] - Quote Sick of this...since warlords I am consistently put up against teams that are too good. Eg top guy in last battle killed 5 died 15 times, top guy in opposing team killed 22 and walked THIS IS NO ******* FUN the game is broken and unplayable, who wants to lose lose lose its so stupid Last battle top four on our side Killed 1, 13, 12, 5. With lots of deaths Top four on their side Killed 31, 16, 19, 16 with about 5 deaths between them Are you seriously telling me that we are being matched by kill ratio I'm sure the spotty teenagers out there will be saying ' oh you just gotta get good, don't be a sore loser' yeah I get that but it's been over a week now of boring unplayable un winnable gaming, with teams of death squads just trashing everyone over and over ITS BORING Can someone explain to me why these matches seem so unfair now????
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1304	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:34:00 - [2] - Quote Because CCP couldn't fix matchmaking even if they tried.... oh wait they did. Acquisition is terrible, matchmaking is terrible, your game is still riddled with bugs, you should feel bad.
Michael-J-Fox Richards The Scope Gallente Federation 311	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:35:00 - [3] - Quote golem heartwindow wrote: Sick of this...since warlords I am consistently put up against teams that are too good. Eg top guy in last battle killed 5 died 15 times, top guy in opposing team killed 22 and walked THIS IS NO ******* FUN the game is broken and unplayable, who wants to lose lose lose its so stupid Last battle top four on our side Killed 1, 13, 12, 5. With lots of deaths Top four on their side Killed 31, 16, 19, 16 with about 5 deaths between them Are you seriously telling me that we are being matched by kill ratio I'm sure the spotty teenagers out there will be saying ' oh you just gotta get good, don't be a sore loser' yeah I get that but it's been over a week now of boring unplayable un winnable gaming, with teams of death squads just trashing everyone over and over ITS BORING Can someone explain to me why these matches seem so unfair now???? "welcome to new eden, herp derp" and "git gud" "scrub window licker #yolo" etc etc..... alts are for sissies. too legit, too legit to quit.
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 1	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah I do feel bad, thanks for the sympathy, mate. As for Michael j fox (? As if that helps?), your comment is 'as expected'. HELLO CCP WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ******* FIX THIS BULLSHIT GAME????
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1061	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote Actually they're pretty damn balanced. Just that one side gives up and people start leaving. PIE Lasers4life Oh am I part of a cure? Or am I part of the disease?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 2065	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:52:00 - [6] - Quote golem heartwindow wrote: Yeah I do feel bad, thanks for the sympathy, mate. As for Michael j fox (? As if that helps?), your comment is 'as expected'. HELLO CCP WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ******* FIX THIS BULLSHIT GAME???? Everyone ignores the newbro's when they cry out in anguish... Everyone complains that there are not enough players... DUST Logic Sorry buddy, way too many players are more concerned with their KDR/ISK/Epeen to give a damn If I had 1 ISK for each newbro rage thread that gets buried here.. I'd be able to escape slavery Te Sbundo'd
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 7545	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:59:00 - [7] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Actually they're pretty damn balanced. Just that one side gives up and people start leaving. This, but ever since either 1.1 or the hotfix, it feels like it's a little off. For example, I faced off against a bunch of dudes in starter gear the other day with eHP values of those without maxed cores (actually checked two guys before confronting). I dunno. Just a personal observation. Most matches I have are either late stomps, or balanced matches.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 9750	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:02:00 - [8] - Quote golem heartwindow wrote: Can someone explain to me why ... If my understanding's correct, there's now a High Mu queue and a Low Mu queue. Mu takes into account your performance metrics, which include your Win:Loss ratio. Supposedly, if you're a good player in the High Mu queue but you're consistently losing battles, you'll eventually be put into the Low Mu queue. Conversely, strong performance in the Low Mu queue will graduate you to the High Mu queue. From what I've heard, the relative quality of fights in the Low Mu queue is pretty good. Which is awesome. From what I've seen firsthand, the quality of fights in the High Mu queue is in decline. "Stomp or be stomped" is the lay of the land, and non-stompers are faced with three bad options: (1) take a big financial loss and give the stompers hell, (2) run low-end gear and get your teeth kicked in, or (3) leave the battle, AFK or tool around in the redline. The good news is that they're aware of the problem. Rattati has previously expressed interest in reducing squad sizes, changing payouts and pay structure, incentivizing "sticking out" the tough fights, etc. They're also tuning the matchmaking engine itself, which seems to be a work-in-progress: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=198028&find=unread TL;DR: Hang in there! The Devs are working on it. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
sir RAVEN WING 3626	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:10:00 - [9] - Quote Last Game #1 - Sir Raven Wing: 34/1 #1 - ???? ???? - 9/17 #2 - Adullah ??? - 21/9 #2 - Kazlo ???????502 - 1/12 #3 - ???? Lo696 - 17/2 #3 - Maiz ??? - 4/21 *"Sir Raven Wing... Troll of all trolls."- Brett Morris* *"What do you mean?" - Raven in reply to Morris*
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1304	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:30:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: golem heartwindow wrote: Can someone explain to me why ... If my understanding's correct, there's now a High Mu queue and a Low Mu queue. Mu takes into account your performance metrics, which include your Win:Loss ratio. Supposedly, if you're a good player in the High Mu queue but you're consistently losing battles, you'll eventually be put into the Low Mu queue. Conversely, strong performance in the Low Mu queue will graduate you to the High Mu queue. From what I've heard, the relative quality of fights in the Low Mu queue is pretty good. Which is awesome. From what I've seen firsthand, the quality of fights in the High Mu queue is in decline. "Stomp or be stomped" is the lay of the land, and non-stompers are faced with three bad options: (1) take a big financial loss and give the stompers hell, (2) run low-end gear and get your teeth kicked in, or (3) leave the battle, AFK or tool around in the redline. The good news is that they're aware of the problem. Rattati has previously expressed interest in reducing squad sizes, changing payouts and pay structure, incentivizing "sticking out" the tough fights, etc. They're also tuning the matchmaking engine itself, which seems to be a work-in-progress: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=198028&find=unread TL;DR: Hang in there! The Devs are working on it. The current situation is their fix to the previous broken system, excuse me for have little faith that they will get it right. Acquisition is terrible, matchmaking is terrible, your game is still riddled with bugs, you should feel bad.

golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 2	Posted - 2015.05.17 19:29:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks for your feedback guys... Here's another riDICKulous result: Top loser: 1615 WP Top winner: 3448 WP TOP 5 losers 30 kills TOP 5 winners 75 kills It's ***** bollocks I get killed with 2 or 3 bullets, whilst I can shoot an opposing team member 20 times and they still walk away What the is going on It's like mortals vs gods It's total ** CCP WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIX THIS???? Please add comment if you agree..
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 2	Posted - 2015.05.17 21:00:00 - [12] - Quote Loser top 5 65 kills/51 deaths Winner top 5 85 kills/32 deaths Kill ratio 1.2 vs 2.5 Is that right?
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 2	Posted - 2015.05.17 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote Please can people post results of top 5 in their matches, just to track this.
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 2	Posted - 2015.05.17 21:27:00 - [14] - Quote Loser top 5 21/46 Winner top 5. 68/18 ?????????
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 3	Posted - 2015.05.17 21:49:00 - [15] - Quote Loser top 5 31/23 Winner top 5 50/20
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 3	Posted - 2015.05.18 07:28:00 - [16] - Quote The figures above are not that different but it translates out as a massive disparity in game, with un-killable guys bum rushing the defence and killing two or three each, it means in a shoot out they can fire from an exposed position, taking hits from us, whilst if we remain exposed for more than 2 seconds we are dead. This kind of disparity means that even in an even fire fight where both teams can fire from cover, you lose, you die, you get bored. I am now thinking that the only tactic for games like this is what people do when faced with insurmountable tech and skill, they go for self destruction. Set up a cheap suit with speed and remote explosives and simply blow yourself up in their midst. Or?
golem heartwindow Fodder Alternative 3	Posted - 2015.05.18 07:31:00 - [17] - Quote Why not make this an option with remote ex? That you can detonate your suit, take out those fancy *******
Nachos Rogue Instincts New Eden's Heros 35	Posted - 2015.05.18 07:32:00 - [18] - Quote golem heartwindow wrote: Sick of this...since warlords I am consistently put up against teams that are too good. Eg top guy in last battle killed 5 died 15 times, top guy in opposing team killed 22 and walked THIS IS NO ******* FUN the game is broken and unplayable, who wants to lose lose lose its so stupid Last battle top four on our side Killed 1, 13, 12, 5. With lots of deaths Top four on their side Killed 31, 16, 19, 16 with about 5 deaths between them Are you seriously telling me that we are being matched by kill ratio I'm sure the spotty teenagers out there will be saying ' oh you just gotta get good, don't be a sore loser' yeah I get that but it's been over a week now of boring unplayable un winnable gaming, with teams of death squads just trashing everyone over and over ITS BORING Can someone explain to me why these matches seem so unfair now???? LMAO GIT GUD xavier zor xavier zor


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