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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 14:16:00 -
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Droopy Bawlz wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Dementia Maniaclease wrote:I am not fond of being permascanned, however..
do you hear people crying about amlogis carrying all those uplinks
Or callogis carrying all those hives
Or minlogis... well that ones senseless,
I think if you are gonna stop one logi from being able to carry two of something
Then you should stop ALL!
Now quite your whining and get to winning
Does having one person with nice links that have their bonuses removed when they die have the same effect as seeing the position and orientation of every enemy within 200m of your position? Does having more ammo give that same advantage? In PC, why is the Gallogi the most sought after suit to have on your side? All the answers to these questions point to the fact that the Gallogi gives an unfair force multiplier to its team relative to any other Logi, let alone drop suit, and needs to be toned down. Instead of making scans more binary by nerfing the bonus, why not just remove permascan, and be done with it? Get ur own gal Logi or get bent. Quit being that whiny Lil school girl that wants everything nerfed. Start running damps. Poor baby can't sprint at 11m\ s and still be stealth. Sacrifice like everyone else. go ask KILL3R H3LLH0UND for some scouting lessons
Im the one who gave KILL3R H3LLH0UND lessons... IDK if you know who I am.
The "get your own Gal Logi or get bent" quote is exactly the reason why they need to limit active scanners. Stop protecting your crutch and only way you'd ever get into PC and try to help fix the game rather than keep it broken.
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 14:20:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:killian178 wrote:Except for a gal logi being able to scan errrrr body gall scout with 2-3 damps can avoid even the focused scan from a gall logi.......if you want to run 4 damps that is to avoid it. other than that the gall scout only needs max skills/right fitting not to be detected...oh wait.....sounds like how the gall logi puts all his points INTO revelving everybodys location.... hey look 2 roles that can counter each other...... scout wants to run around un-dected but also wants to run brick tank.....complains about gall logi sp investment/OP scanners scout actually fitted to avoid detection and runs cloak just constantly laughs at the scan attempt prevented constantly on his screen. properly fit scouts live VS gall logis. brick tanked scouts..........not so much. learn how to fit/run scouts and the gall logi is not an issue.
Gallogi costs as much as any other scout suit. Active scanner costs as much as getting uplinks or any other equipment. In other words, to get everything related to perma scanning, you need a month un boosted. Thats nothing compared to the ability to tell your entire team the exact location and orientation of every enemy unit on the field.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.05.13 18:45:00 -
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Droopy Bawlz wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Dementia Maniaclease wrote:I am not fond of being permascanned, however..
do you hear people crying about amlogis carrying all those uplinks
Or callogis carrying all those hives
Or minlogis... well that ones senseless,
I think if you are gonna stop one logi from being able to carry two of something
Then you should stop ALL!
Now quite your whining and get to winning
Does having one person with nice links that have their bonuses removed when they die have the same effect as seeing the position and orientation of every enemy within 200m of your position? Does having more ammo give that same advantage? In PC, why is the Gallogi the most sought after suit to have on your side? All the answers to these questions point to the fact that the Gallogi gives an unfair force multiplier to its team relative to any other Logi, let alone drop suit, and needs to be toned down. Instead of making scans more binary by nerfing the bonus, why not just remove permascan, and be done with it? Get ur own gal Logi or get bent. Quit being that whiny Lil school girl that wants everything nerfed. Start running damps. Poor baby can't sprint at 11m\ s and still be stealth. Sacrifice like everyone else. go ask KILL3R H3LLH0UND for some scouting lessons
It's funny how far people will go to defend their crutch because it helps them win and pads their KDR.
Remember 1.8 Scouts with Cloaks? Remember how broken they were? Remember how a goddamn GalScout vould fit over 700 armor and still maintain speed and use a cloak? Remember the OP bonus CalScout had? You never needed to put EWAR mods on it. All highs with shield extenders and all lows with armor plates/ferro scale plates. Remember how abusrd on OP that was?
Now. Remember how people said that there was NOTHING wrong with the Scouts back then? Even when the CalScout could have way more HP and better shield regeneration than Assaults today? The GalScouts running around with more Armor than most Amarr Assaults out there and the cloak glitch that let you fire 2-3 rounds before decloaking?
Yeah. That was incredibly OP and unbalanced. But people still defended Scouts and Cloaks in 1.8 to the death saying "a scanned scout is a dead scout" even when most had way more eHP than assaults, were faster than assaults and have a small frame so it is harder to hit a moving and strafing scout.
Other's said to get good gun game. And others said to give in to the FOTM in order to play the goddamn game.
Scouts are now more balanced than ever before.
And let me tell you why I dont use a dampener in my GalAss.
Requesting the use of a dampener in my GalAss means that I'll be tons weaker and regenerate armor way slower. Which is the GalAss way. Not only will fitting 2 dampeners gimp that suit but it will be useless. Most Gal Logis already are at Level 5 with Proto Scanners. So practically putting a dampener or 2 will be useless because they will still scan me and I'll be weaker so trying to escape an engagement is, well a negative downside for me.
Not to mention that only 1 suit can completely counter the GalLogi with the best scanners that get a 15 dB scan precision while a GalScout can get under that. But the GalScout will die just by looking at it when it is trying to get under 15 dB. And most GalLogis are packing alot of armor. And I can go with the whole idea of 1 suit to counter 1 suit. But when 1 suit can counter every other suiy in the game except for 1, and it is a really weak one. It needs to be balanced.
Either limitting one scanner per suit to kill off Permascanning or make it so that the person that used the scanner is shown on the screen like one the persons they scanned for the same amount of time.
You can't have an easy mode and a GalLogi sitting in the back throwing scans all over the place giving away the location of all enemies with 200m is as easy mode as this game can get.
Fighting unbalances vs unbalances should never be the answer and players like you is what keep ruining Dust.
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D4GG3R
Opus Arcana
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Posted - 2015.05.13 18:51:00 -
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Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Dementia Maniaclease wrote:I am not fond of being permascanned, however..
do you hear people crying about amlogis carrying all those uplinks
Or callogis carrying all those hives
Or minlogis... well that ones senseless,
I think if you are gonna stop one logi from being able to carry two of something
Then you should stop ALL!
Now quite your whining and get to winning
Does having one person with nice links that have their bonuses removed when they die have the same effect as seeing the position and orientation of every enemy within 200m of your position? Does having more ammo give that same advantage? In PC, why is the Gallogi the most sought after suit to have on your side? All the answers to these questions point to the fact that the Gallogi gives an unfair force multiplier to its team relative to any other Logi, let alone drop suit, and needs to be toned down. Instead of making scans more binary by nerfing the bonus, why not just remove permascan, and be done with it?
We've got a whiner
I'm pretty plain.
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Archduke Ferd1nand
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.13 22:42:00 -
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D4GG3R wrote:Archduke Ferd1nand wrote:Dementia Maniaclease wrote:I am not fond of being permascanned, however..
do you hear people crying about amlogis carrying all those uplinks
Or callogis carrying all those hives
Or minlogis... well that ones senseless,
I think if you are gonna stop one logi from being able to carry two of something
Then you should stop ALL!
Now quite your whining and get to winning
Does having one person with nice links that have their bonuses removed when they die have the same effect as seeing the position and orientation of every enemy within 200m of your position? Does having more ammo give that same advantage? In PC, why is the Gallogi the most sought after suit to have on your side? All the answers to these questions point to the fact that the Gallogi gives an unfair force multiplier to its team relative to any other Logi, let alone drop suit, and needs to be toned down. Instead of making scans more binary by nerfing the bonus, why not just remove permascan, and be done with it? We've got a whiner
Do you have a legitimate fact oriented argument, or are you just going to post ad hominems?
BRB, looking for socks
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:39:00 -
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I just got out of a match were you got scanned from the moment you spawned in until they could find you. If that's balanced for the crutchers then slap me and call me Jesus.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.05.14 02:53:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:I just got out of a match were you got scanned from the moment you spawned in until they could find you. If that's balanced for the crutchers then slap me and call me Jesus.
Use Dampeners. It's the reason they exist. To help you hide.
That being said, I agree that scans should return to squad shared only. The whole benefiting is a bit too OP.
Don't touch the scanners themselves, though. It's bad enough having the STD being able to scan unskilled heavies only. |
Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2015.05.14 04:04:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:I just got out of a match were you got scanned from the moment you spawned in until they could find you. If that's balanced for the crutchers then slap me and call me Jesus. Use Dampeners. It's the reason they exist. To help you hide. That being said, I agree that scans should return to squad shared only. The whole benefiting is a bit too OP. Don't touch the scanners themselves, though. It's bad enough having the STD being able to scan unskilled heavies only.
Not like putting 1 or 2 dampeners on my GalAss will do anything with the amount of proto GalLogis with proto scanners all over the place. Not only I'll be gimping my suit, but I'll be gimping it in vain since they will all still be able to scan me.
My second issue with scans is that they are TOO abundant in this game. That match I just told you 2 enemy dropships scanning, a tank scanning and the obvious GalLogis (I only managed to spot 2 tho).
Vehicle scanners are noy only 360, but last too long to be 360.
The absurdity.
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
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Posted - 2015.05.14 08:35:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:I just got out of a match were you got scanned from the moment you spawned in until they could find you. If that's balanced for the crutchers then slap me and call me Jesus. Use Dampeners. It's the reason they exist. To help you hide. That being said, I agree that scans should return to squad shared only. The whole benefiting is a bit too OP. Don't touch the scanners themselves, though. It's bad enough having the STD being able to scan unskilled heavies only.
If you're not in a GalScout, the GalLogi can scan you.
(Some other scouts can avoid the scans, I just don't know any others.)
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4lbert Wesker
Mithril Forge
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Posted - 2015.05.14 09:57:00 -
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Droopy Bawlz wrote:Then limit all vehicles to only one Turret.
Limit all dropsuits to one weapon.
Limit all suit to only 1 ONE kincat
Limit blah blah blah blah blah
Limit blah blah blah blah blah
Limit blah blah blah blah blah
You dont like being scanned,,,run dampeners.
Limit your damn whining and lame azz ideas.
so much scrub butthurting...
Public skirmish = camping games,
Public domination = officer sniping games,
Public ambush = russian roulette
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