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Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2199	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:27:00 - [1] - Quote Buff shield tanks. 1.) Armor Hardener lasts much longer. 6 whole seconds longer without skills (gap increases with skill) 2.) The fitting: The PG of Shield hardener and CPU of Armor hardener is proportionate. BUT... Complex Shield Hardener CPU cost vs Armor Hardener PG cost. The CPU cost of a Complex Shield extender is 341 which is 1/4 or 26.6% of my CPU on a Gunnlogi The PG cost of a Complex Armor hardener is 400 PG which is like is approx 13% of the Madrugars PG Gåæ That does not seem fair at all. Why does it take twice the fitting space to fit a shield hardener on a shield tank than a Armor Hardener on a Armor tank? Fitting a Complex shield extender on Gunnlogi takes up 26.6% of CPU and 9% of the PG ON the other hand, a Armor Hardener on a Madrugar takes up 13% CPU and 13% PG. So why is it so uneven for the Gunnlogi/why is it so advantageous to use Armor Hardener on Armor tank than a Shield Hardener on Shield tank? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 421	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:11:00 - [2] - Quote No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. BRB, looking for socks PSN: tommygunboy2080 I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1220	Posted - 2015.05.12 03:50:00 - [3] - Quote Here is a question for you guys. Are the base tanks.... Madrugar and Gunnlogi base tanks balanced? Like in a fight between the standards, are they on equal footing... How about in general usefullness? I think understanding what is broken and more importantly, what is not broken, will help find the answer faster. I think the OP is starting down a good train of thought with the analysis. EWAR tool
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2329	Posted - 2015.05.12 04:04:00 - [4] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. why dont we do both? Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. RUST415 3282	Posted - 2015.05.12 04:19:00 - [5] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. why dont we do both? Because CCP has a bad habit of changing to many variables at once when trying to fine tune balance. Personally, I don't have much of a problem with shield tanks vs infantry or AV, just against other tanks (specifically rep-fit armor tanks). Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18959	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:03:00 - [6] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. why dont we do both? Because CCP has a bad habit of changing to many variables at once when trying to fine tune balance. Personally, I don't have much of a problem with shield tanks vs infantry or AV, just against other tanks (specifically rep-fit armor tanks). Indeed and frankly armour tank rep rates aren't a game breaking factor it's the fact that their rep rates are prolific like an active module. Beyond that I don't really believe there is much issue with them. Consider how quickly an armour tank would melt if CCP created a projectile profile blaster weapon. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10668	Posted - 2015.05.12 05:11:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. why dont we do both? Because CCP has a bad habit of changing to many variables at once when trying to fine tune balance. Personally, I don't have much of a problem with shield tanks vs infantry or AV, just against other tanks (specifically rep-fit armor tanks). Indeed and frankly armour tank rep rates aren't a game breaking factor it's the fact that their rep rates are prolific like an active module. Beyond that I don't really believe there is much issue with them. Consider how quickly an armour tank would melt if CCP created a projectile profile blaster weapon. More Content = more balance...if done right. Sgt Kirk's Gallente Propaganda Youtube Channel
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6239	Posted - 2015.05.12 06:43:00 - [8] - Quote I havent checked in-client yet. But didnt the like reduce the cooldown on shield hardeners by a fairly large margin recently? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8648	Posted - 2015.05.12 07:53:00 - [9] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. Back foul one! Take thy nerf sperg to the destiny forums! There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Racro 01 Arifistan Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd. 538	Posted - 2015.05.12 12:20:00 - [10] - Quote have you considered the fact that armour hardners have low pwr grid requiremtns so that armour vehicles can fit armour reps... 722 pwr grid befor skills for a complex heavy rep. with 143 cpu. 896 pwr grid with 126 cpu for a complex 120mm plate. that's just half of the madrugar gv'os pwr grid. shield tanking is easier on resources compared to armour. lets not forget that the gunnlolgi can BOTH field a sizable/hefty/decent shield tank WHILE using 3 proto turrets. the madrugar struggle's to get a powerful tank plus 3 proto turrets. at max fitting skills for armour, lrg blasters and sml blasters. you can utilize complex heavy and light rep. complex armour hardner complex 120mm plate complex blaster damage amp / heat sink basic fuel injector 80gj ion cannon 2x 20gj blasters this fills the gv'os fitting on both sides (cpu/pwr grid) the gunnlogi cv'o say is using railguns 2x complex shield hardners 2xcomplex railgun damage amps 1x complex heavy extender 1x complex cpu upgrade 1xcomnplex railgun ammo amp (these things are beast. 60% more ammo for no fitting) 3x proto railguns or. a missile gunnlogi 2x basic shield hardners 1x complex heavy extender 1x enhanced shield booster 1x complex missile damage amp 1x complex pwr grid/cpu upgrade 3x proto missiles. yes they use fitting mods but the gunnlogi CAN afford to use fitting modules to either support its main form of tank...or to increase fitting capacity for higher grade weaponry NOW if the madrugar sacrifcies 2 lows for both a power/cpu upgrade to to fit trip ion cannons or various combos of proto or adv turrets your tank is severly hurt not to mention you have 3 utility highs but that's besides the point. it main seem that the gunnlogi is UP still compared to the maddy but it comes down to YOUR own individual fitting/tanking/driving capability. sure the shield tank isn't as strong as it should be BUT with the right combo of modules you can stand up to blaster tanks with either rails/missiles and come out on top so long as you manage timing/aiming. the gunnlogi with 5 highs and 2 lows has just as much fitting versitilty as the maddys 3/4 layout. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*

Doc DDD TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 439	Posted - 2015.05.12 13:13:00 - [11] - Quote shield tanks are garbage right now unless you want to sit in the redline and pretend you are an armor tank Fix Shield boosters Reverse shield regen nerf Remove shield stacking penalty nerf Reduce fitting costs on useless regulators and shield boosters Add energizer function to regulator so there is ANY point in using them and there can actually be SOME shield repping occuring Make shield hardeners 50-60% at current duration Reduce sheild hardener downtime so that armor hardeners have a significantly longer cooldown All Shield tanks and Shield suits ( that don't rely on broken hit detection ) are stuck in the redline
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1420	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:13:00 - [12] - Quote Doc DDD wrote: shield tanks are garbage right now unless you want to sit in the redline and pretend you are an armor tank Fix Shield boosters Reverse shield regen nerf Remove shield stacking penalty nerf Reduce fitting costs on useless regulators and shield boosters Add energizer function to regulator so there is ANY point in using them and there can actually be SOME shield repping occuring Make shield hardeners 50-60% at current duration Reduce sheild hardener downtime so that armor hardeners have a significantly longer cooldown All Shield tanks and Shield suits ( that don't rely on broken hit detection ) are stuck in the redline I like that idea of increasing the shield rep rate with the regulator. No point to them unless you can rep shields back at a reasonable level. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1420	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:14:00 - [13] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. Back foul one! Take thy nerf sperg to the destiny forums! The gallahorn really needs a nerf though. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2330	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:36:00 - [14] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. Back foul one! Take thy nerf sperg to the destiny forums! The gallahorn really needs a nerf though. Naw, does a good mop up after my bad juju-obsidian helm nova bomb chains Better netcoding and plugged memory leaks. Last pieces of the broken puzlzle.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 1023	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:26:00 - [15] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Buff shield tanks. The CPU cost of a Complex Shield extender is 341 which is 1/4 or 26.6% of my CPU on a Gunnlogi The PG cost of a Complex Armor hardener is 400 PG which is like is approx 13% of the Madrugars PG Because they arnt the same thing? compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8676	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:50:00 - [16] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. Back foul one! Take thy nerf sperg to the destiny forums! The gallahorn really needs a nerf though. TOUCH MY JOLLYHORN NOT YOU VERMIN! There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Tebu Gan Capital Acquisitions LLC 1424	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:49:00 - [17] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. Back foul one! Take thy nerf sperg to the destiny forums! The gallahorn really needs a nerf though. TOUCH MY JOLLYHORN NOT YOU VERMIN! I'll touch your "Jollyhorn" all I want. And you're gonna like it... Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2218	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:54:00 - [18] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Smart talk My Heavy Shield booster costs me 1000 PG ( more than your Armor tank) and it also costs more CPU. Yes we can afford to use fitting mods, but in reality, we need them. We aren't affording anything. We need them because without them, you'll be fitting a proto tanks with STD and Basic modules. "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN New Eden's Heros 2218	Posted - 2015.05.12 21:55:00 - [19] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Buff shield tanks. The CPU cost of a Complex Shield extender is 341 which is 1/4 or 26.6% of my CPU on a Gunnlogi The PG cost of a Complex Armor hardener is 400 PG which is like is approx 13% of the Madrugars PG Because they arnt the same thing? CPU goes to with shields like PG goes with Armor. Why is the CPU cost for shield tank to put on hardener double the price? "Skill for thee but no skill for me" so is the saying of the swarm infantry.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 426	Posted - 2015.05.12 22:31:00 - [20] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: No don't buff shield tanks. Nerf armor tanks. why dont we do both? Because thats why we have Godrugars right now. We don't need to make Godlogis. BRB, looking for socks PSN: tommygunboy2080 I shit shotgun shells and piss Remote Explosives



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