DUST Search - HMG Range buff

Stormblade Green wrote:

Alex-ZX wrote:

I feel that the hmg Is almost useless right now after several nerfs. And don't get me wrong I know how to use it and get kills with it, the issue is that it overheats on big enemies making it like 1 or 2 kills and overheat.

I usually use the ar or smg inside the cities and they can beat the hmg users pretty easy and trying to get close to enemies is really hard even in cq, the proof is that I kept at range 2 heavies with one dragonfly scout and they weren't able to get me, just because of that I got them. It "works" in PC if ppl rush with them, otherwise they are just a great Av unit.

After several nerfs I don't see many players using them because they sux, and the ones that use them usually die really easy because heavies can't run :] [just my opinion, (hint, use a light weapon instead, that works way better, and better than a commando 2, just keep "range")] wonder if ppl will do the same after scr nerf. :)

Still fail to see how you got the officer HMG........ I love it when scouts try to range me lol.

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Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.05.05 20:31:00 - [1] - Quote Title says it all, the HMG is really underpowered now, can't kill anything that's more than 10 feet away from me, and not running a militia suit. The common argument is that the HMG is meant for CQ Defense, but how can anybody defend anything with an HMG???? Seriously, you have more luck running double smg's than using an HMG. I can't be the only one who sees this, thoughts??? HMG FTW!!!!!!!
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 74	Posted - 2015.05.05 20:40:00 - [2] - Quote Suggestion run up to the guy you are trying to kill.Works for me. One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.05.05 21:01:00 - [3] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Suggestion run up to the guy you are trying to kill.Works for me. That's the problem, why is it that i need run to them, and get into shotgun range, while using a "Defensive" weapon, to get the kill. Hell, as a heavy, running up to someone is already a problem itself. Just doing merc stuff
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition 329	Posted - 2015.05.05 21:26:00 - [4] - Quote I feel that the hmg Is almost useless right now after several nerfs. And don't get me wrong I know how to use it and get kills with it, the issue is that it overheats on big enemies making it like 1 or 2 kills and overheat. I usually use the ar or smg inside the cities and they can beat the hmg users pretty easy and trying to get close to enemies is really hard even in cq, the proof is that I kept at range 2 heavies with one dragonfly scout and they weren't able to get me, just because of that I got them. It "works" in PC if ppl rush with them, otherwise they are just a great Av unit. After several nerfs I don't see many players using them because they sux, and the ones that use them usually die really easy because heavies can't run :] [just my opinion, (hint, use a light weapon instead, that works way better, and better than a commando 2, just keep "range")] wonder if ppl will do the same after scr nerf. :) Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2015.05.05 21:30:00 - [5] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: I feel that the hmg Is almost useless right now after several nerfs. And don't get me wrong I know how to use it and get kills with it, the issue is that it overheats on big enemies making it like 1 or 2 kills and overheat. I usually use the ar or smg inside the cities and they can beat the hmg users pretty easy and trying to get close to enemies is really hard even in cq, the proof is that I kept at range 2 heavies with one dragonfly scout and they weren't able to get me, just because of that I got them. It "works" in PC if ppl rush with them, otherwise they are just a great Av unit. After several nerfs I don't see many players using them because they sux, and the ones that use them usually die really easy because heavies can't run :] [just my opinion, (hint, use a light weapon instead, that works way better, and better than a commando 2, just keep "range")] wonder if ppl will do the same after scr nerf. :) Exactly, funny that you say if people will still use Sent. with light weapons after Scr.nerf, cause i use Scr. with sentinel :P. It doesn't make sense either, it's a freaking minigun for god's sake. Just doing merc stuff
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E The Ditanian Alliance 74	Posted - 2015.05.05 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote If you use the different types for what they are designed for then they seem to be just right. I do agree about the range. I still find it odd that the bullets must tumble out of the barrel and scatter off into the void when range to target increases. Then again it is a Minmatar weapon. It is probably just shooting chunks of scrap metal. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 313	Posted - 2015.05.05 23:04:00 - [7] - Quote I know the AHMG needs a dispersion fix so it can hit at range. Burst doesn't seem to have changed much, and I think the range reduction for the base HMG only capped the optimal, which it never really hit anyway because of dispersion, at the point where dispersion renders it virtually useless. Purifier. First Class.
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:25:00 - [8] - Quote Megaman Trigger wrote: I know the AHMG needs a dispersion fix so it can hit at range. Burst doesn't seem to have changed much, and I think the range reduction for the base HMG only capped the optimal, which it never really hit anyway because of dispersion, at the point where dispersion renders it virtually useless. Sooo are you with or against???? Lol sorry Just doing merc stuff
Stormblade Green KnightKiller's inc. 74	Posted - 2015.05.06 00:44:00 - [9] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: I feel that the hmg Is almost useless right now after several nerfs. And don't get me wrong I know how to use it and get kills with it, the issue is that it overheats on big enemies making it like 1 or 2 kills and overheat. I usually use the ar or smg inside the cities and they can beat the hmg users pretty easy and trying to get close to enemies is really hard even in cq, the proof is that I kept at range 2 heavies with one dragonfly scout and they weren't able to get me, just because of that I got them. It "works" in PC if ppl rush with them, otherwise they are just a great Av unit. After several nerfs I don't see many players using them because they sux, and the ones that use them usually die really easy because heavies can't run :] [just my opinion, (hint, use a light weapon instead, that works way better, and better than a commando 2, just keep "range")] wonder if ppl will do the same after scr nerf. :) Still fail to see how you got the officer HMG........ I love it when scouts try to range me lol. One might say... I'm very skilled... yet I'm his apprentice... So what does that say about my mentor?
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition 329	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:49:00 - [10] - Quote Stormblade Green wrote: Alex-ZX wrote: I feel that the hmg Is almost useless right now after several nerfs. And don't get me wrong I know how to use it and get kills with it, the issue is that it overheats on big enemies making it like 1 or 2 kills and overheat. I usually use the ar or smg inside the cities and they can beat the hmg users pretty easy and trying to get close to enemies is really hard even in cq, the proof is that I kept at range 2 heavies with one dragonfly scout and they weren't able to get me, just because of that I got them. It "works" in PC if ppl rush with them, otherwise they are just a great Av unit. After several nerfs I don't see many players using them because they sux, and the ones that use them usually die really easy because heavies can't run :] [just my opinion, (hint, use a light weapon instead, that works way better, and better than a commando 2, just keep "range")] wonder if ppl will do the same after scr nerf. :) Still fail to see how you got the officer HMG........ I love it when scouts try to range me lol. When I played for the event it was amazing, was hard to overheat, had a good range and damage, after all I'm able to use any weapon in a "master" lvl, I just don't like that it received 2 nerfs in overheat 1 in range and 1 in damage. It is actually usable, but u need a logi or know where the enemy is, I usually play solo, so it isn't the best option right now, assaults can perform everything pretty well. In other words right now I prefer an assault instead of a heavy and as I said do not get me wrong, I have killed a lot of guys with the hmg. The issue is that it needs basically all its modules to play solo(base hp tank, thing that usually is bad) and most of the times is more about moving, because its range sux. I can go like 30/2 almost every match with it (but is more about chasing instead of defending as intended). Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*

Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2015.05.06 05:23:00 - [11] - Quote So only a few of us see this problem???? bumping for justice Just doing merc stuff
Dead Cavino RestlessSpirits 57	Posted - 2015.05.06 09:32:00 - [12] - Quote I love my Burst HMG. The others not so much. I gave up trying to figure out the assault hmg. just doesn't work for me. and the regular is quite difficult to manage heat. The HMG is still an AWESOME weapon, but i also agree that there may have been a slight too many nerfs to it. I don't like two-legged things.
g li2 Grupo de Asalto Chacal Rise Of Legion. 729	Posted - 2015.05.06 10:48:00 - [13] - Quote The only way that HMG is useful today is against other heavy. And in BC to 10 meters of the console in letter closed Adapt or die much G.A.C. CHACALES
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 134	Posted - 2015.05.06 11:50:00 - [14] - Quote Hmm, why HMG kill me from 40 m? And shot gun from 12 m? Lag or buff range? dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 60 kk SP and growing
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.05.06 17:48:00 - [15] - Quote .... Just doing merc stuff
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 912	Posted - 2015.05.07 01:54:00 - [16] - Quote g li2 wrote: The only way that HMG is useful today is against other heavy. And in BC to 10 meters of the console in letter closed Adapt or die much ive adapted and succeded with my relatively same militia only playstyle for a very long time through al the nerfs and buffs and everything but now. thats at its end. game turned into cod pretty much. theres no adapting in that. i find it funny how an "unbalanced game" is more fun to play than most "balanced" twitch shooter games. its stupid really. screw the idea of balance. there will never been any balance until the game mechanic exploits are fixed. the only good shooters are the orignal 2 star wars battle front games. if only we could pilot the mcc. id end the matches real quick.
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.05.07 02:40:00 - [17] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: g li2 wrote: The only way that HMG is useful today is against other heavy. And in BC to 10 meters of the console in letter closed Adapt or die much ive adapted and succeded with my relatively same militia only playstyle for a very long time through al the nerfs and buffs and everything but now. thats at its end. game turned into cod pretty much. theres no adapting in that. i find it funny how an "unbalanced game" is more fun to play than most "balanced" twitch shooter games. its stupid really. screw the idea of balance. there will never been any balance until the game mechanic exploits are fixed. the only good shooters are the orignal 2 star wars battle front games. Agreed, balance in Dust is sh!t, your either using race rifle, or shotgun if you wanna compete. Gun mechanics and strafe mechanics are even more sh!t. Just doing merc stuff
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8433	Posted - 2015.05.07 07:59:00 - [18] - Quote There's a reason I was trying to suggest every change under the sun to avoid the range nerf. It's viable, but only in a max-CQC map. Then it's pretty much the same as it was before. Like the orbital artillery socket. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2015.05.07 19:24:00 - [19] - Quote Not gonna let this post die, until i get enough support. Lets make HMG's somewhat more viable Just doing merc stuff
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4522	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:53:00 - [20] - Quote Alex-ZX wrote: I feel that the hmg Is almost useless right now after several nerfs. And don't get me wrong I know how to use it and get kills with it, the issue is that it overheats on big enemies making it like 1 or 2 kills and overheat. I usually use the ar or smg inside the cities and they can beat the hmg users pretty easy and trying to get close to enemies is really hard even in cq, the proof is that I kept at range 2 heavies with one dragonfly scout and they weren't able to get me, just because of that I got them. It "works" in PC if ppl rush with them, otherwise they are just a great Av unit. After several nerfs I don't see many players using them because they sux, and the ones that use them usually die really easy because heavies can't run :] [just my opinion, (hint, use a light weapon instead, that works way better, and better than a commando 2, just keep "range")] wonder if ppl will do the same after scr nerf. :) Give me one single proof that you know how to use the hmg. ONE! joking in case anyone thinks I'm serious "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6495	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:19:00 - [21] - Quote Adan Montano Pietsch wrote: Title says it all, the HMG is really underpowered now, can't kill anything that's more than 10 feet away from me, and not running a militia suit. The common argument is that the HMG is meant for CQ Defense, but how can anybody defend anything with an HMG???? Seriously, you have more luck running double smg's than using an HMG. I can't be the only one who sees this, thoughts??? The AHMG has been fixed. Use that for open maps. The normal HMG still works fine the Research Facility and other urban environments. I think the damage Nerf hurt the HMG more that the range nerf, especially now that we have a viable long range HMG. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 6495	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:25:00 - [22] - Quote By the way, I created a thread called The Bastion to have Sentinel specific discussions. It is the Sentinel equivalent to The Barbershop thread that Scouts have been using for years. Rattati has posted in The Bastion three times already. The Logi equivalent thread is: Triage Ward Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:19:00 - [23] - Quote .... Just doing merc stuff
Adan Montano Pietsch Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:27:00 - [24] - Quote Bumping for my update Just doing merc stuff
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition 334	Posted - 2015.05.09 11:11:00 - [25] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: There's a reason I was trying to suggest every change under the sun to avoid the range nerf. It's viable, but only in a max-CQC map. Then it's pretty much the same as it was before. Like the orbital artillery socket. If u play with a certain amount of lag and against some assaults, battles 1vs1 are impossible to them, Is pretty easy to kill them with the famous fit "asspeedy shotguner" i think the damage at least should be beast at cqc, maybe the range should stay as it is because ar Users had a lot of problems, but the damage should be increased and the heat build up reduced a little bit. (the hmg should be the king at cqc) Of course just my opinion. Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8473	Posted - 2015.05.09 11:47:00 - [26] - Quote King At CQC jahas been the source of too many headachea. While I understand where you're coming from, I think the sentinel should be a firefight champion and more vulnerable to fast-movers in close. Kinda like how the laser rifle is a suppression weapon. It's not something you want to stick around and 1v1 the thing at range. I'd like sentinels to be the big "no tresspassing" warning rather than seeing them as a CQC instablap. There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!


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