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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.04 11:40:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:All forge guns need less charge time. Reduce assault to 2 seconds, standard to 3 seconds, and breach to 4.
2 seconds is too low. Trust me. I know things about AV.
2.5 assault, 3+ alpha increase for STD. And I'm thinking 5 seconds On the breach if I recall my math correctly.
The real neutering of the forge came when the 1 sec refire/reload penalty came into play. That was introduced right around the time the PLC was brought in.
True base charge times are 4/5/7 for assault/std/breach. This refire delay is not affected by skills at all.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.04 14:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:All forge guns need less charge time. Reduce assault to 2 seconds, standard to 3 seconds, and breach to 4. 2 seconds is too low. Trust me. I know things about AV. 2.5 assault, 3+ alpha increase for STD. And I'm thinking 5 seconds On the breach if I recall my math correctly. The real neutering of the forge came when the 1 sec refire/reload penalty came into play. That was introduced right around the time the PLC was brought in. True base charge times are 4/5/7 for assault/std/breach. This refire delay is not affected by skills at all. Currently the biggest hindrance to the balancing process is only having ADV / PRO HAVs, instead of also having them for LAVs and Dropships. Once those are out, then AV can start being buffed accordingly. Prices for AV may need to be raised slightly or prices for vehicles cut, depending on how it starts to pan out. I will say though that if I got my idea of a proto Incubus tomorrow (2/3 layout, PG / CPU boost), so long as I stayed moving I wouldn't have to worry about AV very much. So, I think we need to get those vehicles out ASAP, then AV can start being ratcheted up. This would be a great time for them to release the reskinned Amarr and Minmatar place holders as well (don't forget LAVs and dropships GAISSS). The issue with this game has always been that it tries to balance around not having all of its base materials in the game. I say get all the pieces together before you start building the puzzle.
Unfortunately HAVs being overpowered are more likely to cause permanent rage quits than dropships and LAVs not having ADV/PRO tiers.
And after the last sh*t flinging session directed at rattati by vehicle users when he introduced the HAVs and the ADS rebalance I wouldn't hold my breath at the prospect of him making doing that with dropships and LAVs a priority.
Or... you know... other vehicle users could actually submit numbers and reasons for rattatI to use as a reference when it's time, and the sooner constructive feedback starts, the sooner you're likely to get your wish.
But no, I disagree that the infantry, who comprise the majority of the playerbase should have to suck up the HAV issue until a few players get their particular toy fixed.I hate to say this, but dropship pilots provided no-feedback for months, defended a imbalanced vehicle and then screamed that rattati was a sh*t like a bunch of feet-stamping children when he brought it to heel.
Sympathy for your plight is in rather short supply.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
8393
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:55:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Do you guys think this a good balance?
I agree that one AV of the same their shouldn't take down a tank this was frustrating. I really hope you're not just wanting an out and out buff of FGs, since the only real issue with V/AV balance is Armour HAVs currently. Straight up buffs because of one element seriously hurts other areas: FGs and DSs have been pretty balanced for a long time, while Swarms have been insanely effective for ages and FGs vs HAVs have been up and down in balance. The issue stems from the great speed of HAVs and the periods of resilience. Reducing their speed and/or reducing their periods of resilience would do a world more good than just buffing FGs.
If it was "Just" a push to buff FGs it would be dishonest and not inclusive of actual problems besides the interaction of ONE weapon versus one vehicle while ignoring the others.
I think my problem is the blanket statement by certain parties of "that imbalance is perfectly ok and you should have to suck it up until I get what *I* want."
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:57:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:But no, I disagree that the infantry, who comprise the majority of the playerbase should have to suck up the HAV issue until a few players get their particular toy fixed.I hate to say this, but dropship pilots provided no-feedback for months, defended a imbalanced vehicle and then screamed that rattati was a sh*t like a bunch of feet-stamping children when he brought it to heel.
Sympathy for your plight is in rather short supply. Pilots have given feedback plenty, there was even a thread about being ignored where we actually got acknowledged by Rattati mentioning that he'd read the feedback (because without him saying, we have no indication.) As for foot stomping, that is a minority, as with HAV operators and AV users and any other subset of the community, not the majority of pilots. That said, Dropships - the overall class, not just ADSs - have tended to be neglected when people balance/rebalance V/AV. Often people will complain about HAVs being too tough to kill and ask for a buff without thinking about how that affects the already relatively fragile DS or LAV. And if you want to talk about sympathy, everyone has had periods of ridiculous OPness or droughts of UPness. There is absolutely zero benefit from truing to act superior about who's acted more childish, or who's most recently wielding the OP Stick.
considering the Av infantry have held that stick the least historically this post is a lot of high horse without realizing it's actually "riding" a Saw Horse.
There's never enough sh**posting going on, so let's add a few more teaspoons of the guy posting after me to the recipie!
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