I don't agree with your triage WP assessment. The WP's for Triage are high because logi players die. A lot. Their suits are incredibly expensive if they do the job well and they have to be in the thick of the action to do the job. The WP totals that they can earn don't symbolise how easy it is to do, but how risky and expensive it is to do.

If we're going with risk-free then should you not have proposed dropping the WP on sniper kills from the redline by half?

Thanks for the feedback.


I disagree though that Logi's die anymore than other classes. It depends on the player. I've run Logi enough to know this.

If I have a good Heavy squad mate, and I go full-rep mode, under the right circumstances I can get 4500+WP, while usually being able to count my deaths on one hand.

When I see 4000WP in a game where I barely let go of R1, it just doesn't feel deserved.

HACK START +50 (When you finish hacking the terminal)

HACK COMPLETION: +50 (When the point turns blue)

Ok, so what if I just sat on our homepoint holding circle for 2 seconds, letting go, restarting the hack, letting go.... It's a free WP farm.

Might want to re-read that.

Specifically the part(s) I decided to put into brackets.

Logis one advantage over the other suits is their ability to generate wp. They have less health, less spped (this is soon to change but with the strafe need will not improve their survivability) no sidearm bar the Amarr logi, and no bonuses to killing. All they can do is make lots of WP well.

Don't need the one thing that makes logis worth playing.

Thanks for the feedback.


I disagree though that Logi's die anymore than other classes. It depends on the player. I've run Logi enough to know this.

If I have a good Heavy squad mate, and I go full-rep mode, under the right circumstances I can get 4500+WP, while usually being able to count my deaths on one hand.

When I see 4000WP in a game where I barely let go of R1, it just doesn't feel deserved.

Recon Assist (Squadmate) + 20WP
Recon Assist (Teammate) +10WP

* Then nerf Active Scanners.

Uplink Team Spawn: +25
MCRU Team Spawn: +50
I think these values are fine

I'd lower spawns to 15. so each racial logi is on equal terms for WP whoring

- Scan Assist = 15WP
- Team Spawn = 15WP
- Triage = 15WP
- Re-Supply =15WP

Guardian could go to 25WP from here I think.
Something specifically to help slayers/heavies would be nice - Saviour/Revenge WP maybe??

I fully agree Logi's should be rewarded, but not 2000+ WP more than their team mates average.

Good post, Talos is actually looking into the smaller details that matter to the players on Dust514 +1
CPM may not suit you once CCP tell you it's all impossible but if you stick by your guns, you deserve it.

Lol,nonlogis.

Repping is rewarded exactly as it should be.

-you have no defense
-you're UP compared to even BASIC weapons
-you're targeted first
-you must stay within 20m

Hives however are fire and forget.
They require 0 active investment.

Yeah, there will be no nerfing of the logi WP rewards, especially not rep points. The very notion comes from a place of envy about how the leaderboard looks at the end of matches. Get over it.

You non-logis should be happy that you're getting support at all. It's an expensive, dangerous, thankless, and often tedious job that helps everyone else perform better and have more fun.

It's also good to note that there are 2 ways to get triage points: I'm in the minority that actually runs a caldari logi with triage hives. I'm not taking any risks with it.

However, I don't think triage hives give WP the same way that rep tools do.

This topic has been brought up a handful of times already. I'm not the first to post this, but I have my own idea of what the best point values would be. It'd be good to get a consensus.




I feel the WP reward for using different equipment should be tweaked, based on: how difficult a piece of equipment is to use properly, and how much it helps your team.


TRIAGE: +15 WP Too easy to print thousands of WP for something that's really not hard to do at all

GUARDIAN: +20 WP I don't feel a Guardian should be any more valuable than an Assist

RESUPPLY: +15 WP As mentioned above, hives are a great help to a team, and the players dropping them should be rewarded more considering their finite supply.

HACK START +50 (When you finish hacking the terminal)

HACK COMPLETION: +50 (When the point turns blue)

LAV DESTRUCTION: +100

HAV DESTRUCTION +150

DS DESTRUCTION +150

INSTALLATION HACK +50

Lol,nonlogis.

Repping is rewarded exactly as it should be.

-you have no defense
-you're UP compared to even BASIC weapons
-you're targeted first
-you must stay within 20m

Hives however are fire and forget.
They require 0 active investment.

Logi has been my primary role since beta. I've racked up over 6500 WP in PC no less from reps and links.

I didn't work 3 times harder than the person beneath me. Slaying in PC is a lot harder than holding R1 all match.

There is valid discussion to be had here.

Simply saying "You non-logi's are just jealous. Get over it" is pretty counter productive. Counter productive discussion isn't rare in the forums, but I would expect more from someone who is supposed to represent the community.

I'll be the first to admit that heavy huggers are kind of lame, but they still provide a valid service on the battlefield and their role is extremely dangerous and selfless. It's not a matter of hard work, it's a matter of commitment to service, sacrifice, and winning. Slayers may work hard, but their work is a matter of intended course--they are doing exactly what they want to do, regardless if it helps the team actually win the match. Many logis, myself included, do whatever it takes to keep the match competitive and that often means going out of our way to perform thankless tasks that no one else wants to do with fits that can break the bank.

That aside, this discussion is extremely far afield from the countless number of things that we need to be addressing to make this game better.

I'm sorry if you feel that my tone is unbecoming of a player representative, but when you start talking about nerfing logi rewards I immediately start thinking of all the logis I represent who would expect me to address a proposal like this with extreme prejudice.

You can get the PROTO flux rep tool to have 33m repair range