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Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.24 21:31:00 -
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Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers'), the reason we use proto is because what else will we spend isk on? It only gives us an extra bit of speed or HP.
What is the point in having different tiers if Proto only fights Proto etc? Why not just have one tier of everything?
It takes 10 minutes to get in a game as it is, with Acquisition it will take even longer. To then split the amount of games up again by 3 seems ludicrous.
Meta lock-outs is the most stupid thing I can think of. I'm ranting right now more than I did when Auto Aim was first implemented.
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
3332
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Posted - 2015.04.24 21:47:00 -
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Cheesecake.
As of April 9, 2015, we have about 330 days of DUST 514 left. Enjoy them!
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2161
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Posted - 2015.04.24 21:47:00 -
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I thought you were leaving the game?
...again.
But if this is secretly a tiericide thread, im all for it!
And to not totally derail your pseudo rant, i actually agree that meta lockout is going to even further fracture our tiny player base, worse than matchmaker could have!
Gotta reevaluate this one imho.
Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
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SoTa PoP
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
6547
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Posted - 2015.04.24 21:56:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:I thought you were leaving the game?
...again.
But if this is secretly a tiericide thread, im all for it!
And to not totally derail your pseudo rant, i actually agree that meta lockout is going to even further fracture our tiny player base, worse than matchmaker could have!
Gotta reevaluate this one imho.
Go away with your tiercide!
We already lost our future - don't ruin out atmosphere too. We're still in new eden - if newbs need somewhere else to play give them a game mode that doesn't allow beyond STD and watch how bad that game mode turns out as TTK is horribly reduced because suit fittings vs weapon damage don't balance out in early levels.
Tiercide is a flawed concept that would do nothing but kill the only thing this game has left - Risk vs Reward
Everyone would just run to the low risk areas.
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9691
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Posted - 2015.04.24 21:57:00 -
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It was a fix to the major proto stomping problem that was plaguing mercs fresh out of the Academy.
Now that MM is in place, and there is are a couple tiers for Pubs already, as long as they make sure that the current system can't be abused with certain mercs trying to get into level's lower than their skills dictate just to troll new players, then I don't know we need a meta locked game mode in the near to mid term.
I do however think it should be retained as a just-in-case option.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2162
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:13:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:I thought you were leaving the game?
...again.
But if this is secretly a tiericide thread, im all for it!
And to not totally derail your pseudo rant, i actually agree that meta lockout is going to even further fracture our tiny player base, worse than matchmaker could have!
Gotta reevaluate this one imho. Go away with your tiercide! We already lost our future - don't ruin out atmosphere too. We're still in new eden - if newbs need somewhere else to play give them a game mode that doesn't allow beyond STD and watch how bad that game mode turns out as TTK is horribly reduced because suit fittings vs weapon damage don't balance out in early levels. Tiercide is a flawed concept that would do nothing but kill the only thing this game has left - Risk vs Reward Everyone would just run to the low risk areas.
Sota ive got a version youd love, not the crap they tried to sell with legion, but it requires a buttload of new content so good tiericide wont possibly be ever realized.
Very much risk vs reward, but a lottle more forgiving to a newb.
Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1457
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:15:00 -
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50/0 in std gear pic or it didnt happen
FOR THE STATE!
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SoTa PoP
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
6554
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:17:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:I thought you were leaving the game?
...again.
But if this is secretly a tiericide thread, im all for it!
And to not totally derail your pseudo rant, i actually agree that meta lockout is going to even further fracture our tiny player base, worse than matchmaker could have!
Gotta reevaluate this one imho. Go away with your tiercide! We already lost our future - don't ruin out atmosphere too. We're still in new eden - if newbs need somewhere else to play give them a game mode that doesn't allow beyond STD and watch how bad that game mode turns out as TTK is horribly reduced because suit fittings vs weapon damage don't balance out in early levels. Tiercide is a flawed concept that would do nothing but kill the only thing this game has left - Risk vs Reward Everyone would just run to the low risk areas. Sota ive got a version youd love, not the crap they tried to sell with legion, but it requires a buttload of new content so good tiericide wont possibly be ever realized. Very much risk vs reward, but a lottle more forgiving to a newb.
I'm listening. i've heard many different variants before - none seem attractive in helping mold people into a harsh environment and giving them reason to stay in it.
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
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jane stalin
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
280
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:20:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit
OMG, you totally pwned that strawman , You must be pretty happy with yourself. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2164
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:31:00 -
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Short version is this game gets effing roles instead of half asseted suit bonuses. While bonus still exist, the line up with what the suit would do, then splitting that into low and high tech levels.
Easy example
learn caladri medium suit skill.
Suits unlocked at 1
lineman, [subsequent bonus per level of caladri medium suit here]
supplytech
(Somemissile based av name)
sharpshooter
Then burn through caldari medium suits to 5, unlocks skills of
assault
logistics
anti-vehicle
marksmenship (prolly not but this is for example)
Then put a suit or two in those hyper defined roles in the high tech tree and viola, high skill expensive suits for the tryhard rich
With comparable yet cheap role based suits for the bads and poors.
Sorry if its confusing and aloppy, im in a rush
Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
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SoTa PoP
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
6558
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:33:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Short version is this game gets effing roles instead of half asseted suit bonuses. While bonus still exist, the line up with what the suit would do, then splitting that into low and high tech levels.
Easy example
learn caladri medium suit skill.
Suits unlocked at 1
lineman, [subsequent bonus per level of caladri medium suit here]
supplytech
(Somemissile based av name)
sharpshooter
Then burn through caldari medium suits to 5, unlocks skills of
assault
logistics
anti-vehicle
marksmenship (prolly not but this is for example)
Then put a suit or two in those hyper defined roles in the high tech tree and viola, high skill expensive suits for the tryhard rich
With comparable yet cheap role based suits for the bads and poors.
Sorry if its confusing and aloppy, im in a rush
It's simple enough - it's basically an entirely different game that you need to unlock content for by having the proper SP allocations.
There's no way CCP has the resources for that, and it kinda takes away from the RPG element of building your own suits - so I'd be against it.
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
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Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:40:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:50/0 in std gear pic or it didnt happen
You know there are alot ofplayers that can you moron 
EDIT: With a 1.24 KD and 1.14 W/L I understand why you are abit pessimistic. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2164
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:41:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Short version is this game gets effing roles instead of half asseted suit bonuses. While bonus still exist, the line up with what the suit would do, then splitting that into low and high tech levels.
Easy example
learn caladri medium suit skill.
Suits unlocked at 1
lineman, [subsequent bonus per level of caladri medium suit here]
supplytech
(Somemissile based av name)
sharpshooter
Then burn through caldari medium suits to 5, unlocks skills of
assault
logistics
anti-vehicle
marksmenship (prolly not but this is for example)
Then put a suit or two in those hyper defined roles in the high tech tree and viola, high skill expensive suits for the tryhard rich
With comparable yet cheap role based suits for the bads and poors.
Sorry if its confusing and aloppy, im in a rush
It's simple enough - it's basically an entirely different game that you need to unlock content for by having the proper SP allocations. There's no way CCP has the resources for that, and it kinda takes away from the RPG element of building your own suits - so I'd be against it.
I see where youre coming from and respect that.
youd still get a blank siit to build what youd like, it just would have a set "focus" if you will. Instead of using a current cal assault with its generic reload speed for a railrifle assault and then a exact copy with a sawrm lanucher instead for av, there would be perfeered suits for each kinda role.
But as i said before, takes a buttload of new content and as you said which i agree with, too many resources.
Its a pipedream of mine that i see working well...if it could be done.
Big if.
Here I was thinking you drove tanks, but clearly thats just your ego that you ride around in. -DUST fiend to Dark Cloud
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Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:41:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:I thought you were leaving the game?
...again.
But if this is secretly a tiericide thread, im all for it!
And to not totally derail your pseudo rant, i actually agree that meta lockout is going to even further fracture our tiny player base, worse than matchmaker could have!
Gotta reevaluate this one imho.
You honestly thought I would leave because they stopped my 40mill a day farm being 'fixed'? It was a joke thread lol <3 |
ADS IS OP
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2015.04.24 22:55:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers')
No you can't
No they cant
You have it backwards scrub
Most 'protostompers' are scrubs that can't win without proto.
You won't last 5 seconds in a standard suit vs proto you dumbass
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Elpedo Hughes
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2015.04.24 23:30:00 -
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ADS IS OP wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers')
No you can't No they cant You have it backwards scrub Most 'protostompers' are scrubs that can't win without proto. You won't last 5 seconds in a standard suit vs proto you dumbass
lololololololol
1V1 me and I'll film it, you can wear Pro, I'll wear Standard. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1194
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Posted - 2015.04.24 23:33:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:ADS IS OP wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers')
No you can't No they cant You have it backwards scrub Most 'protostompers' are scrubs that can't win without proto. You won't last 5 seconds in a standard suit vs proto you dumbass lololololololol 1V1 me and I'll film it, you can wear Pro, I'll wear Standard.
and at what time will you exit the redline then..going 50-00 in a standard, hah. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1194
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Posted - 2015.04.24 23:34:00 -
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I wish this game had custom game ability also , but like you said about aquisition..it's gonna make games take longer to fill.
sidearms only , or no explosives , double HP ..half HP.. all sorts of cool stuff to make games interesting...ahhh to dream like it was beta again |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1194
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Posted - 2015.04.24 23:39:00 -
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oh , and if it was done like this...
tier 1 scrubland : militia and standard only
tier 2 got a little isk : militia , standard and advanced
tier 3 u mad bro? : everything is game
wouldn't be proto vs proto.
but people would have the option to not be protostomped.
Your point on game ques makes me not want it right now anymore though, if the numbers were right..it wouldn't be to bad. |
Denchlad 7
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
2144
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Posted - 2015.04.25 00:37:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:ADS IS OP wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers')
No you can't No they cant You have it backwards scrub Most 'protostompers' are scrubs that can't win without proto. You won't last 5 seconds in a standard suit vs proto you dumbass lololololololol 1V1 me and I'll film it, you can wear Pro, I'll wear Standard. and at what time will you exit the redline then..going 50-00 in a standard, hah.
Don't bother trying to challenge Hughes. Last time someone did they livestreamed themselves dying 10 times in a row. I was in the squad with Hughes laughing my arse off as the other guy soiled himself.
You dont want that kind of pain.
I'm 98% likely to better than you at using any gun.
Dench's Emporium of Everything! coming soon...
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OBSIDIAN MURSAAT
Capital Acquisitions LLC
2
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Posted - 2015.04.25 00:44:00 -
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no one will go 50/0 in all standard gear, who u trying to impress spouting that garbage |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
1198
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Posted - 2015.04.26 11:42:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:ADS IS OP wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers')
No you can't No they cant You have it backwards scrub Most 'protostompers' are scrubs that can't win without proto. You won't last 5 seconds in a standard suit vs proto you dumbass lololololololol 1V1 me and I'll film it, you can wear Pro, I'll wear Standard. and at what time will you exit the redline then..going 50-00 in a standard, hah. Don't bother trying to challenge Hughes. Last time someone did they livestreamed themselves dying 10 times in a row. I was in the squad with Hughes laughing my arse off as the other guy soiled himself. You dont want that kind of pain.
if dying in a video game brings pain to someone, i'd hate to see how they handle real life stress.
I didn't challenge him to anything personally. Hde claims he can go 50-0 on the regular in a standard, sure it's possible.. if you purposefully put yourself in a squad with low players to farm other low players..or chill in your redline with a sniper..or have a sent with some dudes stuck up your butt the whole time..but even then, 50-0 in a standard fit..in a real game, with decent players.. I call BS if he actually gets out there in the field with everyone else. |
Fluffy Exterminatus
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
6
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Posted - 2015.04.26 11:58:00 -
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Protostomp whiners same retards who accuse people of lag switching when its just ****** internet/game
FACT: Not enough players for skirm/fw now. Tiercide make it worse.
Besides new matchmaking seems to put better/richer players against each other more. The evidence for this is in corporate leaderboards. All the big "Protofisting" corps kd's have gone down
Blood flows. Death comes. War rages
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KingA2thur
63
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:10:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Why do people go on about meta level lock outs?
The people that think Proto is OP are just bad at the game. I can go 50/0 in a standard suit (So can alot of other 'protostompers'), the reason we use proto is because what else will we spend isk on? It only gives us an extra bit of speed or HP.
What is the point in having different tiers if Proto only fights Proto etc? Why not just have one tier of everything?
It takes 10 minutes to get in a game as it is, with Acquisition it will take even longer. To then split the amount of games up again by 3 seems ludicrous.
Meta lock-outs is the most stupid thing I can think of. I'm ranting right now more than I did when Auto Aim was first implemented.
Sure.....
And I saw a flying pig that came out of my toilet, asking me: "Hey bro. What did you smoke ?"
To get trolled press any key.
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Elpedo Hughes
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
88
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Posted - 2015.04.27 20:37:00 -
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Here you go, I was solo so didn't have an OB.
Standard Min Ass with Standard RR.
Trust me, people who say Proto is to strong are retards, Its a little extra speed, HP or damage output. Nothing more.
My Officer and BPOs for Sale
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1386
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:03:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Here you go, I was solo so didn't have an OB. Standard Min Ass with Standard RR. Trust me, people who say Proto is to strong are retards, Its a little extra speed, HP or damage output. Nothing more.
Psh, you are still full of ****. Proto gear makes a bigger difference than a "little" extra speed, damage, and HP. Quit kidding yourself.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Elpedo Hughes
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
92
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:07:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Here you go, I was solo so didn't have an OB. Standard Min Ass with Standard RR. Trust me, people who say Proto is to strong are retards, Its a little extra speed, HP or damage output. Nothing more. Psh, you are still full of ****. Proto gear makes a bigger difference than a "little" extra speed, damage, and HP. Quit kidding yourself.
What more then?
The best players die less therefore they have more money, hence they use Proto. People see the Proto suits doing better and complain it's OP rather than 'bettering' themselves.
My Officer and BPOs for Sale
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Seed Dren
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
165
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:12:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Golden Day wrote:50/0 in std gear pic or it didnt happen You know there are alot ofplayers that can you moron EDIT: With a 1.24 KD and 1.14 W/L I understand why you are abit pessimistic.
And you have 4 kills total. 0 we ratio. Gtfo lol your dumb
Amarr assualt + shotgun + hellfire= illuminati confirmed
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1386
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:18:00 -
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Elpedo Hughes wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Here you go, I was solo so didn't have an OB. Standard Min Ass with Standard RR. Trust me, people who say Proto is to strong are retards, Its a little extra speed, HP or damage output. Nothing more. Psh, you are still full of ****. Proto gear makes a bigger difference than a "little" extra speed, damage, and HP. Quit kidding yourself. What more then? The best players die less therefore they have more money, hence they use Proto. People see the Proto suits doing better and complain it's OP rather than 'bettering' themselves.
Pretending like there isn't a difference between proto and std is just stupid. You show 51/0, with no proof of when this occured and you didn't even give a pic of the screen before this showing what suit weapon combo was used the most. That isn't "proof" of anything bud.
This could have been from the days before matchmaking. Or you got thrown in with a bunch of noobs you shouldn't have been playing. And it's interesting that you didn't show the other side, what was it 16 to 10?
And regardless, you are just throwing this out their to strut around and show how big and bad you are. Face some top players in proto and come tell me that there isn't any difference between STD and PRO.
You just disregarded an extra 4 slots, damage mods, not to mention differences between tiers of mods. 3% to 7% adds up to quite a bit of difference in damage for dmg mods alone. Not to mention skills associated, that improve said modules / suits. So you are saying that new bros just need to get good?
Get out of here with your trash, and come back to earth with the rest of us.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Elpedo Hughes
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
93
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:33:00 -
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Seed Dren wrote:Elpedo Hughes wrote:Golden Day wrote:50/0 in std gear pic or it didnt happen You know there are alot ofplayers that can you moron EDIT: With a 1.24 KD and 1.14 W/L I understand why you are abit pessimistic. And you have 4 kills total. 0 we ratio. Gtfo lol your dumb
This might be my alt? Idiot
My Officer and BPOs for Sale
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