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PLAYSTTION
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:46:00 -
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I find it odd that with so few people working on Dust they get more done than the full dust dev team did in 2 years. If player trading was so easy a few guys could put it together like this, why was it not added way back then??? They have added and fixed more and more important things than CCP ever did since launch and Uprising 1.0.
Anyone have answers? Was Player trading a piece from legion they threw in dust? Is all they are adding just salvaged projects from before FF2014???
Gassault Galogi Galsent
Open Beta Vet - 41 mil sp
Director of Corrosive Synergy
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
9577
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:49:00 -
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First, having a giant development team is not necessarily an instant Good Game button. Multiple teams, if poorly managed, can perform worse than one team with a focused goal and good project management.
That isn't a perfect answer to your question, I know. We'll never know exactly what happened during the pre-Rattati era... well maybe CPM0 does but they are bound by the NDA.
@Ripley_Riley
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1432
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:51:00 -
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What really happend is CCP Rattati came from another universe and ate the orginial dev team then he layed his eggs into his nest under CCP HQ.
From those eggs CCP Frame and CCP AquarHEAD were reborn.
And this is why we don't have a full dev team and why CCP neglects us  !
FOR THE STATE!
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6009
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:51:00 -
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Previous Executive Producer was a dipshit.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast & Blog
www.biomassed.net
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Sicerly Yaw
Quantum times
111
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:55:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:I find it odd that with so few people working on Dust they get more done than the full dust dev team did in 2 years. If player trading was so easy a few guys could put it together like this, why was it not added way back then??? They have added and fixed more and more important things than CCP ever did since launch and Uprising 1.0.
Anyone have answers? Was Player trading a piece from legion they threw in dust? Is all they are adding just salvaged projects from before FF2014???
the problem isn't the size of the dev team it's much harder to code even simple looking things then it seems, so for one even if you have a lot of people working on one thing implementing it and making sure it works right without bugs can take much longer
its easier to work off of an already built foundation then to build from scratch, there's a lot of changes that needed to be made in order to implement even simple trading
there's also the issue of resources and many other factors that have to go into the development process
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4499
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Posted - 2015.04.22 20:57:00 -
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In reality Rattati is from planet K-PAX.
Shifted in time, your tomorrow, my today.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9632
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:00:00 -
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If you have a few dogs pulling a dog sled in the same direction you are going to get there faster than if you had a hundred dogs all pulling in different directions.
Like Ripley said, having resources doesn't mean much if you don't have someone to manage them.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Golden Day
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1432
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:01:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:In reality Rattati is from planet K-PAX.
He is from the Universe Dik'N'urAs in the solar system vaga on the planet K-PAX??
FOR THE STATE!
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1039
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:05:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:What really happend is CCP Rattati came from another universe and ate the orginial dev team then he layed his eggs into his nest under CCP HQ. From those eggs CCP Frame and CCP AquarHEAD were reborn. And this is why we don't have a full dev team and why CCP neglects us !
No no no, Frame was the one who opened the Dark Portal by sacrificing Logibro. Logibro was then reincarnated into EVE Online.
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:17:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:
From those eggs CCP Frame and CCP AquarHEAD were reborn.
Frame was always a paragon of hat madness.
Supreme Forum Warrior
Gallente Guide
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:18:00 -
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It was probably something to do with the game breaking whenever they tried to update the UI
that and the original idea was to have player trading between EVE as well...but now that we don't care about that link, it can be easily implemented.
7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
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TEBOW BAGGINS
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:22:00 -
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they were supposed to connect player trading to the eve economy/eve players would produce our gear and our PC matches was supposed to boost that.. they couldn't implement it without a test server to test if it would crash the economy so they waited for the green light to add it when it wouldn't effect eve economy at all- i am throwing out guesses here |
Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
1039
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:29:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:they were supposed to connect player trading to the eve economy/eve players would produce our gear and our PC matches was supposed to boost that.. they couldn't implement it without a test server to test if it would crash the economy so they waited for the green light to add it when it wouldn't effect eve economy at all- i am throwing out guesses here
The only problem with that is the EVE to Dust conversion rate. Seeing as ISK is a a lot easier to obtain in EVE, they would have to sell it at what we could consider extremely high prices to make a profit if there was no conversion algorithm in place.
Sure people will get smart and have Capsuleers in their corp making suits for them whenever but then it puts Dust only corps or those who don't have alliances with EVE corps in a bad position.
Not to mention, how would a pilot benefit from a small market such as Dust when there are hundreds of other ways of making tons of isk?
I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
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Scheneighnay McBob
And the ButtPirates
6161
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:35:00 -
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Old development system: "We're going to spend months polishing what we have, add a single new feature, and then polish that for a few more months"
New development system: "Save the polish for hotfixes, let's just throw in what we can"
Much better system if you ask me. Still can't understand why some players liked the first system.
Some details can be ignored
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TEBOW BAGGINS
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Posted - 2015.04.22 21:41:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:they were supposed to connect player trading to the eve economy/eve players would produce our gear and our PC matches was supposed to boost that.. they couldn't implement it without a test server to test if it would crash the economy so they waited for the green light to add it when it wouldn't effect eve economy at all- i am throwing out guesses here The only problem with that is the EVE to Dust conversion rate. Seeing as ISK is a a lot easier to obtain in EVE, they would have to sell it at what we could consider extremely high prices to make a profit if there was no conversion algorithm in place. Sure people will get smart and have Capsuleers in their corp making suits for them whenever but then it puts Dust only corps or those who don't have alliances with EVE corps in a bad position. Not to mention, how would a pilot benefit from a small market such as Dust when there are hundreds of other ways of making tons of isk?
yea i understand the limitations you speak of but at one point they tried to sell us the idea that i spoke of. that was the source of EVE players talking trash on youtube- we will glass your planet with our infinate resources to back up our merc army bla bla bla... every now and then you get a noob from EVE on local spewing that old info = kind of a golden moment when the dust players in local are telling the EVE high sec miner that he is a noob reading up on old info. |
Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:08:00 -
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CCP Shanghai learned that spending 70% of your budget on 'idea guys' and concept art doesn't actually do anything for a game.
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
1199
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:10:00 -
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At this last fanfest round table he said that the old team was paralyzed by looking at the grandiose things they wanted to do and could make the first step. Very common problem...
Now we see the team taking little bits and doing what they can, such as has been the case with the new HAV racial variants. The old team never would have used existing models with different paint jobs as a first step....
Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
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JJ'S
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2015.04.22 22:27:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:they were supposed to connect player trading to the eve economy/eve players would produce our gear and our PC matches was supposed to boost that.. they couldn't implement it without a test server to test if it would crash the economy so they waited for the green light to add it when it wouldn't effect eve economy at all- i am throwing out guesses here
CCP's head economist quit after like 10-11 years... They wouldn't have a clue how to merge the two economies without risking EVE's 12 year old economy.. And that despite anything is the heart of the game... The market and it's economy.. Everything drives from that.
Alot of EVE's subscribers purely play the market... buy,sell and trading all day... Almost every economy student hears and does some kind of observation or study on it. |
Cypher Nil
Fireteam Tempest
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:01:00 -
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Sicerly Yaw wrote:
the problem isn't the size of the dev team it's much harder to code even simple looking things then it seems, so for one even if you have a lot of people working on one thing implementing it and making sure it works right without bugs can take much longer
its easier to work off of an already built foundation then to build from scratch, there's a lot of changes that needed to be made in order to implement even simple trading
there's also the issue of resources and many other factors that have to go into the development process
I'm a coder myself and that's just bull, player trading was very easy to create, its verifying and moving numbers from one entry in a database to another, we've been doing that from launch with ISK transfers. the original team just didn't want us to have trading because there executive directer (aka dumbass) thought it might cause players to stop buying AUR
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Of course we won, now when do I get paid?
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The Dark Cloud
The Rainbow Effect
4570
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:29:00 -
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The guy previously in charge had no clue what he was doing. If you do a FPS game then the people who work on it should have at least some experience with it to even out the common annoying things. Or at least the guy who is overwatching everything should have experience with it. So that he could whack the guys who are working under him everytime they try something stupid. Like tanks that have +50% damage on their hull which stacked with skills, damage mods etc just so you where capable to 1 shot everything in the game. Even a bolas.
I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
6195
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:34:00 -
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I think one of the key problems is that things tended to be over-engineered in the past. This is "Send item to x", it's dead simple. Far more simple than most mechanics designed for this game.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:36:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I This is "Send item to x", it's dead simple.
We know it's dead simple haha, it doesn't even have a mutual trade option. It's literally as simple as it could possibly be.
"My bitter is showing. I must retreat to the berry patch."
STUFF
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
6195
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I This is "Send item to x", it's dead simple. We know it's dead simple haha, it doesn't even have a mutual trade option. It's literally as simple as it could possibly be.
My point is that in the past, the simple idea was not the one considered. Which means that more than likely, CCP made projects a lot harder for themselves than it needed to be.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
611
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:54:00 -
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There is an elephant in the room of a company that has a product that they are very concerned about. That elephant is the layers of people in positions of power that create filters based on opportunism and job security not to mention good ol' fashion ego.
What we have now is what every game team should beGǪ one layer of a few people simply agreeing on how amazing should a game be. This happened because CCP decided to largely abandon the game and threw it to the peons. The peons took over the castle and rubbed CCP's faces in ****.
Computer programmers and engineers are notorious for worrying about not giving too much up in the name of job security.
Wake up CCP! This is how you will survive. Use DUST as a model. Do this same thing with EVE and future titles and watch your money and support grow!
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
736
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:57:00 -
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You can have the best devs in the history of gaming, but when the boss tells them to polish a turd and give it more "psssh" you get dust.
Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
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Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
611
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Posted - 2015.04.22 23:57:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I think one of the key problems is that things tended to be over-engineered in the past. This is "Send item to x", it's dead simple. Far more simple than most mechanics designed for this game.
Damn, first thing you've said that makes sense and it didn't even include an eff you to vehicles.
Death is a serious businessGǪ So is running a shoddy, half-baked game company.
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PLAYSTTION
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
1250
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:45:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I think one of the key problems is that things tended to be over-engineered in the past. This is "Send item to x", it's dead simple. Far more simple than most mechanics designed for this game.
So why didn't they just do it then? When "Give money" was added I and others suggested "Give Item" with no response until someone else suggested it a few months ago.
Gassault Galogi Galsent
Open Beta Vet - 42 mil sp
Director of Corrosive Synergy
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Avinash Decker
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
205
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:48:00 -
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Most of the project leads either left CCP, got laid off, or went to do other projects within CCP. Some of the older developers are still there and are more than 5-10 people ( unlike some people foolishly believe; it was never that low) . Although there's not that many left. It is no secret that Dust was managed poorly, but they did update the game monthly for 8 + months. Now the updates are usually 1-2 months apart. It looks more focused because they really can't do the big ideas and since they are smaller they need to prioritize.
The game seems to be designed badly from the start, so it really hurt them in the end of the day. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
6197
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:05:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I think one of the key problems is that things tended to be over-engineered in the past. This is "Send item to x", it's dead simple. Far more simple than most mechanics designed for this game. So why didn't they just do it then? When "Give money" was added I and others suggested "Give Item" with no response until someone else suggested it a few months ago.
From my understanding there was still some additional backend stuff needed to make that possible.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Isa Lucifer
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
209
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Posted - 2015.04.23 03:02:00 -
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It is what it is now. The past is long gone.
Amarr Victor
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