DUST Search - REMOVE THE MASS DRIVER OR THE TRAIN MAP~!

Vell0cet wrote:

Her Chosen wrote:

tal mrak-thanl wrote:

Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience.

Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback.

I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken.

I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable.

The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much

MD's play the vital role of providing AoE damage. This is a valuable counter tactic to enemies who clump together. Without AoEs, combat devolves into large clumps of enemies running around in a ball. As Pokey points out in a 1v1 situation, nearly all weapons have a significant advantage vs. a MD user. Specific counters to MD users are either scouts getting within shotgun/melee range where it's too close to use your MD without suiciding, using a sentinel suit, using a long range suit and staying mobile (like the RR or the LR) since long range is difficult for the MD user or getting above them. MDs certainly aren't OP, bring important tactical options to the battlefield to counteract enemies balling up, abusing cover, and equipment spam, they're one of the few weapons that do +20% to armor, and they add variety to fights.

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Her Chosen Grade No.2 255	Posted - 2015.04.21 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote FCK YOU CCP! WE ARE SICK TO DEATH OF PLAYING THIS FCKING MAP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU PUT AN LEDGE WITH COVER IN IT TO SPAM MASS DRIVERS! FIX YOUR F*CKING MISTAKE ALREADY Nyquil anyone?
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 983	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:02:00 - [2] - Quote Good good! Let the butthurt flow through you! To be honest I don't get the trainmap that much and mass drivers arnt that much of a problem if you can time a grenade right. I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 677	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:24:00 - [3] - Quote I love that map, theres always some killing to be done somewhere.
hails8n DEATH BY DESTRUCTION 102	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:48:00 - [4] - Quote I like it a little more now since I moved to using a tac ar. Petition to ban the trainyard map.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 730	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:51:00 - [5] - Quote That map is the most awesome map in dust. Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
LOL KILLZ LulKlz 12	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote My Sentinel AK.O has fun in this map. A lot of fun CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
maeth-01 2501 Savage Bullet General Tso's Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:53:00 - [7] - Quote I'm fed up with the map but I don't want them to get rid of it..... For every time I play my favorite map, can't remember the name... I call it the meat grinder ..... You know you have the ramps that lead down... And people can jump in down the tube at the back..... Anyway ***** 20 to 1 between train map and meat grinder... Maybe more Laugh, and the world laughs with you;Weep, and you weep alone**
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6146	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:56:00 - [8] - Quote That's actually a very itneresting map, but very overused. And I wuv my wittle mass dwiver Some details can be ignored
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1519	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:57:00 - [9] - Quote I set my WP record on this map. Running a Min Logi on the ground in the hangar. Popping anyone dumb enough to camp the platforms with my Mass Driver. The best counter to a MD camper is another MD user with better aim and experience. IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU DON'T NEED GLASSES
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5981	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:57:00 - [10] - Quote Wait so you're saying its wrong that certain weapons excel in certain environments? In that case be sure to remove shotguns and HMGs from close quarters areas, and Rail Rifles and Laser Rifles from large open areas. Nothing should ever be allowed to be used in an environment that suits it well. Not even once. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net

Regnier Feros Pielords 316	Posted - 2015.04.21 20:59:00 - [11] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: FCK YOU CCP! WE ARE SICK TO DEATH OF PLAYING THIS FCKING MAP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU PUT AN LEDGE WITH COVER IN IT TO SPAM MASS DRIVERS! FIX YOUR F*CKING MISTAKE ALREADY You have much wisdom, Her Chosen. But if I were to die, all the knowledge you seek about the true nature of the Mass Driver will be lost with me. Learn the power of the Mass Driver, Her Chosen. The power to save your clone. "You're like a she-male.. hates gym, doesn't know how to be alpha.. you'll stay in the friendzone for life" -Senpai
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2120	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:01:00 - [12] - Quote FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP +50 +10 +50 +10 +50 +10 +5 +1 +5 +1 FWOOMP FWOOMP +25 +5 +5 +1 I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 1520	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP +50 +10 +50 +10 +50 +10 +5 +1 +5 +1 FWOOMP FWOOMP +25 +5 +5 +1 In pubs, yes. In FW or PC? Toss a couple -50's in there... IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU DON'T NEED GLASSES
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization 1695	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:22:00 - [14] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP +50 +10 +50 +10 +50 +10 +5 +1 +5 +1 FWOOMP FWOOMP +25 +5 +5 +1 In pubs, yes. In FW or PC? Toss a couple -50's in there... Train map in PC? News to me. 'LR4-Trading' Protester
Georgia Xavier Y.A.M.A.H 338	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:26:00 - [15] - Quote I don't mind the mass driver but I hate that lag facility. MD is fun to use if you get the hang of it Dust 514: Unlimited Scrub Works
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 650	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:29:00 - [16] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Wait so you're saying its wrong that certain weapons excel in certain environments? In that case be sure to remove shotguns and HMGs from close quarters areas, and Rail Rifles and Laser Rifles from large open areas. Nothing should ever be allowed to be used in an environment that suits it well. Not even once. Funny thing is, the RR is somehow effective in CQC STD Active Scanner with Scan Profile of 46db too OP
Forced Death Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 650	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:30:00 - [17] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP FWOOMP +50 +10 +50 +10 +50 +10 +5 +1 +5 +1 FWOOMP FWOOMP +25 +5 +5 +1 Every time I drop a major laser it never goes through the roof STD Active Scanner with Scan Profile of 46db too OP
Mex-0 575	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:31:00 - [18] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: I don't mind the mass driver but I hate that lag facility. MD is fun to use if you get the hang of it I hate the one where the objectives are underground in circular buildings. It's laggy as hell, and the stompers always camp in there. BWAH
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2994	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:32:00 - [19] - Quote Better idea: Remove players from the forums who are advocating removing the limited content we have. Best PvE idea ever!
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 1160	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:35:00 - [20] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Better idea: Remove players from the forums who are advocating removing the limited content we have. This. Robin Williams endorses this corp

Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4501	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:41:00 - [21] - Quote NO I WANNA FIGHT ON A MOVING TRAIN! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 681	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:51:00 - [22] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: NO I WANNA FIGHT ON A MOVING TRAIN! That would be awesome. Or better yet, mcc to mcc raid! First one to upload self destruct sequence wins.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 255	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:55:00 - [23] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Wait so you're saying its wrong that certain weapons excel in certain environments? In that case be sure to remove shotguns and HMGs from close quarters areas, and Rail Rifles and Laser Rifles from large open areas. Nothing should ever be allowed to be used in an environment that suits it well. Not even once. No, it's wrong that a weapon allows you to MISS your target by 6m and still awards you damage, it allows you to shoot BEHIND walls, etc... Every other FPS has nerfed grenade launchers, but in DUST it's a premiere weapon and a fail-safe tactic. Just camp with a MD... And the fact that it terminates clones automatically makes it ever more of a bullsh!t weapon... And as for the train map. Its frequency in the rotation has become sickening Nyquil anyone?
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 681	Posted - 2015.04.21 21:58:00 - [24] - Quote Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 255	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:04:00 - [25] - Quote tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much Nyquil anyone?
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge 1195	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:05:00 - [26] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Better idea: Remove players from the forums who are advocating removing the limited content we have. we dont take kindly to folks like you around here Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Mex-0 576	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:06:00 - [27] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much What I've always done is go ninja mode and sneak onto it from above. From there, I chuck nades and RE's everywhere. BWAH
tal mrak-thanl Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion. 683	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:08:00 - [28] - Quote Lol. 3 cpx myos and REs, or flaylocks, or PLC, or MD and that catwalk is clear in a jiff.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 2128	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:12:00 - [29] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much A competent player or squad will camp from above, railrifle them from outside the port, or for true lolz, snipe/plc them. Or my calogi bomber makes an appearance. Because fuuck you that's why. I have cows that show more intelligence than some of you.
Makuta Miserix Nos Nothi 445	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:12:00 - [30] - Quote Somehow I've managed to see two Mass Driver QQ threads within the last few weeks. I think I need a break from the forums. Proud supporter of Scouts. Makuta Miserix the Assault/Logi part time Scout. Private Beta Veteran Dust 514/Starhawk

Flaylock Steve Nos Nothi 742	Posted - 2015.04.21 22:47:00 - [31] - Quote So you're saying that the MD is OP? because of no way to counter it? Gain a height advantage over them. They camp that cat walk but if you camp where they jump to get into the cap walk they can't really get you unless you're standing still.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5991	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:04:00 - [32] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Wait so you're saying its wrong that certain weapons excel in certain environments? In that case be sure to remove shotguns and HMGs from close quarters areas, and Rail Rifles and Laser Rifles from large open areas. Nothing should ever be allowed to be used in an environment that suits it well. Not even once. No, it's wrong that a weapon allows you to MISS your target by 6m and still awards you damage, it allows you to shoot BEHIND walls, etc... Every other FPS has nerfed grenade launchers, but in DUST it's a premiere weapon and a fail-safe tactic. Just camp with a MD... And the fact that it terminates clones automatically makes it ever more of a bullsh!t weapon... And as for the train map. Its frequency in the rotation has become sickening Well, let's take a look at this. Proto Mass Driver + Max Skills Base DPS (Direct Hit) = 330 DPS Base DPS (Splash Damage) = 159 DPS Other weapons DPS + Max Skills Assault Scrambler Rifle: 494 DPS Assault Rifle: 453 DPS Assault Combat Rifle: 437 DPS Assault Rail Rifle: 420 DPS So...sure, you can 'miss' by ~6m, and you're going to be doing ~32%-36% the DPS of your common Assault Rifles. Even with direct hits, you're going to only be doing 66%-78% the DPS. Also important to note that against a Sentinel the Splash DPS drops down to a measly 114 DPS, ie "Dont even bother trying" About how low should the splash DPS of the Mass Driver be for you to consider it 'balanced'? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Megaman Trigger Ready to Play 285	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:35:00 - [33] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Her Chosen wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Wait so you're saying its wrong that certain weapons excel in certain environments? In that case be sure to remove shotguns and HMGs from close quarters areas, and Rail Rifles and Laser Rifles from large open areas. Nothing should ever be allowed to be used in an environment that suits it well. Not even once. No, it's wrong that a weapon allows you to MISS your target by 6m and still awards you damage, it allows you to shoot BEHIND walls, etc... Every other FPS has nerfed grenade launchers, but in DUST it's a premiere weapon and a fail-safe tactic. Just camp with a MD... And the fact that it terminates clones automatically makes it ever more of a bullsh!t weapon... And as for the train map. Its frequency in the rotation has become sickening Well, let's take a look at this. Proto Mass Driver + Max Skills Base DPS (Direct Hit) = 330 DPS Base DPS (Splash Damage) = 159 DPS Other weapons DPS + Max Skills Assault Scrambler Rifle: 494 DPS Assault Rifle: 453 DPS Assault Combat Rifle: 437 DPS Assault Rail Rifle: 420 DPS So...sure, you can 'miss' by ~6m, and you're going to be doing ~32%-36% the DPS of your common Assault Rifles. Even with direct hits, you're going to only be doing 66%-78% the DPS. Also important to note that against a Sentinel the Splash DPS drops down to a measly 114 DPS, ie "Dont even bother trying" About how low should the splash DPS of the Mass Driver be for you to consider it 'balanced'? That damage vs Sentinels, is that including vs shields or just neutral damage? Purifier. First Class.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5993	Posted - 2015.04.22 00:38:00 - [34] - Quote Neutral 0.75Base DPS "That little s*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Vell0cet OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3003	Posted - 2015.04.22 01:13:00 - [35] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much MD's play the vital role of providing AoE damage. This is a valuable counter tactic to enemies who clump together. Without AoEs, combat devolves into large clumps of enemies running around in a ball. As Pokey points out in a 1v1 situation, nearly all weapons have a significant advantage vs. a MD user. Specific counters to MD users are either scouts getting within shotgun/melee range where it's too close to use your MD without suiciding, using a sentinel suit, using a long range suit and staying mobile (like the RR or the LR) since long range is difficult for the MD user or getting above them. MDs certainly aren't OP, bring important tactical options to the battlefield to counteract enemies balling up, abusing cover, and equipment spam, they're one of the few weapons that do +20% to armor, and they add variety to fights. Best PvE idea ever!
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 1008	Posted - 2015.04.22 01:26:00 - [36] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much I've actually cleared it myself with a logi once... Its not that difficult... I find your lack of heaviness... disturbing...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 18421	Posted - 2015.04.22 01:28:00 - [37] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Her Chosen wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much I've actually cleared it myself with a logi once... Its not that difficult... I'd have just put two Laser Riflers on my teams side of the map overlooking the A objectives to distract, kill, murder those MD users. That or a pair of guys sneaking around to flank with fluxes and combat rifles would do. GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ -The Nameless City
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5995	Posted - 2015.04.22 01:44:00 - [38] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Her Chosen wrote: tal mrak-thanl wrote: Killing people who use MDs on that map is so ridiculously easy that your entire argument is essentially a testament to your lack of experience. Edit: No slight intended, btw. Just trying to give you some feedback. I can promise you that 6-7 MDs camping across Alpha on that map will win 100% of the time. It has no counter as it's poor map design. The only counter I have seen be effective and multiple core naders spamming from the ground. Because that vantage point in accessible once it's taken. I've seen multiple games (almost always Russians) where the enemy team crammed 10-12 players on that catwalk spot. Because it's impregnable. The more the player base learns to play that map by using that fail-safe tactic, the more unenjoyable the game will be, as that map is obsessively in the rotation too much MD's play the vital role of providing AoE damage. This is a valuable counter tactic to enemies who clump together. Without AoEs, combat devolves into large clumps of enemies running around in a ball. As Pokey points out in a 1v1 situation, nearly all weapons have a significant advantage vs. a MD user. Specific counters to MD users are either scouts getting within shotgun/melee range where it's too close to use your MD without suiciding, using a sentinel suit, using a long range suit and staying mobile (like the RR or the LR) since long range is difficult for the MD user or getting above them. MDs certainly aren't OP, bring important tactical options to the battlefield to counteract enemies balling up, abusing cover, and equipment spam, they're one of the few weapons that do +20% to armor, and they add variety to fights. The point Im trying to make is that the DPS of a Mass Driver is ill suited for direct combat with almost everything, save perhaps fighting scouts. It will simply be out-dpsed in almost all direct conflict situations. What is is however very good for is area denial by providing sustained DPS over an area to prevent the enemy from moving into a certain position or getting through a certain area. The best way to deal with a Mass Driver, is to engage it directly, preferably from an elevated position since Mass Drivers struggle to deal with anything above them. In other words, they are working as intended. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast & Blog www.biomassed.net
Medical Crash Engineers Unlimited 399	Posted - 2015.04.22 01:53:00 - [39] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: FCK YOU CCP! WE ARE SICK TO DEATH OF PLAYING THIS FCKING MAP OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND ON TOP OF THAT YOU PUT AN LEDGE WITH COVER IN IT TO SPAM MASS DRIVERS! FIX YOUR F*CKING MISTAKE ALREADY ok sweet peas clean dat sand out of u know where, u seem really angry. WOOSAH chosen WOOSAH My YouTube Channel


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