Nothing wrong with a hardened tank surviving admirably through waves of swarms and forge guns rounds and they plough through infantry ranks as the tip of a spearhead. It's what they're for. It's what they do. My only concern is that armoir tanks completely outclass shield tanks in every instance, and more pertinently that armoir tanks are far too fast; they can commit to just about any engagement with no real need to plan a way in, a way out or consider if they're trying to take on too much in the first place. If a maddy commits to a fight and it gets too rough it just backs off and burns away. It shouldn't be that easy. Drop the speed and add more inertia to the handling based on hp/weight/mass of the tank, and you'll see shield tanks become hit and run glass cannons and armoir tanks the stand and deliver, death or glory monsters they're supposed to be.

Standard weaponry isn't meant to kill, it's meant to deter. They should have used Proto Swarms if they wanted to destroy it.
No doubt it would have blown had the second guy actually had skills into his weapon.

Neither of them seemed to have any proficiency bonus. Pickup AV vs a dedicated tank that knows how to run away.

I completely agree with you.

Buff AV, and make them cost 1.3 million ISK per fit.

Ahhhh, balance.

The ASS part of your name is appropriate...

Its a shame they broke the incubus's railgun, back in those days tanks were almost free kills to the few ppl that could use that weapon.

On getting your "I win" buttons back.

Not sure what Rattati was thinking, but I guess all the whining you did because your average KDRs dipped below 15 paid off.

You can once again roam the field free of concerns and farm kills while you out-rep the damage AV weapons can do to you.

One tank is now worth 3-4 players and drastically affects game balance just like you all felt was your god given right to do.

Bravo to you.

Kinda still are if you know what your doing , I hover over them and blap them if no plc / swarms / fg's are around .

I do it so it can be done .

HAV are OP.

Now that I have contributed, someone say something about my name! Do me next!

HAV are OP.

Now that I have contributed, someone say something about my name! Do me next!

I always find it funny how people like you claim tanks getting "free kills" are any KD/R over 10, while dropsuit users who get 30 KD/R a match... you just ignore like the plague.

And no, one tank can be killed by 2 people guaranteed. Two tanks, can be killed by those same two people guaranteed. Three tanks? Four? Still those two people.

If you want to force a tank to retreat, all you need is militia gear and pop a few rounds to force their hardeners up. Suddenly they can't engage, because they lost their defense prematurely. :/


For someone so loud, you clearly don't run your thoughts past quality control.

Your name is too alliterative, and all you Amarr look the same.

If it weren't for your name, I couldn't tell you or True apart (unless he started to go on about tanks, and how Amarr don't have them).

"Do me"? Seriously?

You bother popping hardeners for militia swarms?

It all depends on if you like to gamble.

You have no way of knowing what tier those swarms are till they've already hit, so depending on your fit and where you are on the map, yes, you would indeed pop your hardeners before those swarms hit you.

Even so you can just pop one of the two hardeners, and you will still be fine, and if its multiple people firing and you need to pop both, then its not just one guy with militia anymore.

Your offering of tears pleases the Outer Gods!

You shall see one less tank on the battlefield today.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Yassavi Myherra wgah'nagl fhtagn

oh yeah well Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn' to you sir.


also have you seen the yellow sign?

Dats racist.

Also, any alliteration is an angelic Amarrian accident.

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