DUST Search - IDEA: hand weapon fire from dropships, lavs ;)

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Banjo Robertson wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems.

Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field.
Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle.
Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike.
Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down.

I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have.

Honestly none of those seem like problems, they just seem like more ways to have fun! Besides, if a dropship does have 6 passengers raining down fire with all those MG or FG or whatever, then they become that much of a bigger target for the other teams AV.

Plus, when the dropship gets driven away by AV, there will be 7 less enemy players near the battlefield, giving a huge advantage to the other team.

Fun for you and your squad. Not fun for anyone else. It would become hell. **** no.

Heavy ordinance weapons (aka anything with splash or high enough alpha to damage vehicles) would simply be restricted. Anything else is fine.

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Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 131	Posted - 2015.04.15 11:50:00 - [1] - Quote Hello. On first (or a very old trailer) i was see that: passangers in dropships look around and see open space... So, when we can open fire from dropships/lav no only from board gun? Good day. dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 60 kk SP and growing
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens 3786	Posted - 2015.04.15 13:19:00 - [2] - Quote While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 108	Posted - 2015.04.15 13:45:00 - [3] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. With those kind of weapons, that deal a lot of damage in a single shot, or lets say, "big, potent weapons", there could be some kind of drawback, for example, a little bit of damage to the dropship. Or, they could take out of balance the dropship. Maybe a combination of both, damage and balance penalties. The plasma cannon would also be part of this weapons. Just an idea.
freedom FIGHTER5525 EvilUnicorns 0	Posted - 2015.04.15 14:28:00 - [4] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=198969&find=unread We've been talking about this here, and have shared some pretty good ideas already.
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 529	Posted - 2015.04.15 17:29:00 - [5] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. Honestly none of those seem like problems, they just seem like more ways to have fun! Besides, if a dropship does have 6 passengers raining down fire with all those MG or FG or whatever, then they become that much of a bigger target for the other teams AV. Plus, when the dropship gets driven away by AV, there will be 7 less enemy players near the battlefield, giving a huge advantage to the other team.
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4430	Posted - 2015.04.15 18:17:00 - [6] - Quote I dont see a issue with this. LAV's have barely any HP at all so just shot em 1-2 times with swarms or throw AV nades and they are dead. Dropships can be taken out aswell rather easy with swarm launchers. The idea would add diversity to the game and not just stagnation. Tanks are tanky enough for the swarm+dropship combo and you have to keep in mind that it takes 2 people to do this while driving a tank only requires 1 person. And personally i would like it to chase tanks with a decently fitted methana and a swarm launcher/forgegunner on the passanger seat. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 472	Posted - 2015.04.15 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. I think one simple fix would be to limit the in-vehicle shooting would be to restrict it to light weaponry only, or side arms if it seems that things are still extreme. I can see the problems with in dropship swarm launchers, but it could also not be a problem at all. The swarm launcher has a fairly large opening fire arc when it deploys the swarm. This could lead to collision with the friendly dropship, either all swarm missiles would collide, or 1 - 2 missiles may slip through causing minimal damage. CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4430	Posted - 2015.04.15 18:41:00 - [8] - Quote zDemoncake wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. I think one simple fix would be to limit the in-vehicle shooting would be to restrict it to light weaponry only, or side arms if it seems that things are still extreme. I can see the problems with in dropship swarm launchers, but it could also not be a problem at all. The swarm launcher has a fairly large opening fire arc when it deploys the swarm. This could lead to collision with the friendly dropship, either all swarm missiles would collide, or 1 - 2 missiles may slip through causing minimal damage. Sidearms are useless for this kind of job. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Godin Thekiller Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 3094	Posted - 2015.04.16 04:48:00 - [9] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. Honestly none of those seem like problems, they just seem like more ways to have fun! Besides, if a dropship does have 6 passengers raining down fire with all those MG or FG or whatever, then they become that much of a bigger target for the other teams AV. Plus, when the dropship gets driven away by AV, there will be 7 less enemy players near the battlefield, giving a huge advantage to the other team. Fun for you and your squad. Not fun for anyone else. It would become hell. **** no. Heavy ordinance weapons (aka anything with splash or high enough alpha to damage vehicles) would simply be restricted. Anything else is fine. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 533	Posted - 2015.04.16 12:33:00 - [10] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. Honestly none of those seem like problems, they just seem like more ways to have fun! Besides, if a dropship does have 6 passengers raining down fire with all those MG or FG or whatever, then they become that much of a bigger target for the other teams AV. Plus, when the dropship gets driven away by AV, there will be 7 less enemy players near the battlefield, giving a huge advantage to the other team. Fun for you and your squad. Not fun for anyone else. It would become hell. **** no. Heavy ordinance weapons (aka anything with splash or high enough alpha to damage vehicles) would simply be restricted. Anything else is fine. My squad would likely be the one using AV weapons to get the 2-7 kills from all the people crammed into the dropship rather than being the squad crammed into the dropship. Have you tried firing any of the 3 turrets from the dropship? The easiest weapon is the missile launcher and even that isnt very accurate, so yeah the best weapon from the dropship would probably be the mass driver, and maybe more people would skill into it if this was made a real thing. A dropship packed with a mix of swarm launchers, mass drivers, and forge guns can do a little bit of everything, but it still needs to have 2 turrets otherwise it only has 4 passengers. Its still vounerable to railgun turrets, swarm launchers, forge guns, and even the random plasma cannon. If this much investment in player density needs to actually be effective in the battlefield, the dropship would need to stay close to its intended target, and be relatively stable to allow its passengers to hit their targets. This level of stability would even allow snipers to snipe the passengers right out of the dropship. I feel like anyone against this idea hasnt ever gone against a packed dropship before, its the biggest sitting target in the game.

Text Grant PIanet Express Smart Deploy 414	Posted - 2015.04.16 12:46:00 - [11] - Quote This idea might be acceptable IF dropships were changed to blow up instantly upon death
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 8090	Posted - 2015.04.16 15:30:00 - [12] - Quote I would hunt these dropships ALL DAY LONG!!!! AV
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4452	Posted - 2015.04.17 04:10:00 - [13] - Quote Text Grant wrote: This idea might be acceptable IF dropships were changed to blow up instantly upon death sounds fair enough for me. After all if a LAV/HAV hits 0 HP on armor it blows up without giving me the chance to bail out so i dont see a reason why dropships shouldnt be the same in that aspect. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 131	Posted - 2015.04.17 08:18:00 - [14] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Text Grant wrote: This idea might be acceptable IF dropships were changed to blow up instantly upon death sounds fair enough for me. After all if a LAV/HAV hits 0 HP on armor it blows up without giving me the chance to bail out so i dont see a reason why dropships shouldnt be the same in that aspect. Or, make this same with HAV/LAV :) [joke] dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 60 kk SP and growing
Kuruld Sengar G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 311	Posted - 2015.04.17 09:10:00 - [15] - Quote What about making any empty side turret slots able to be used with a primary weapon? The light/heavy weapons are less powerful than the turrets anyway. It would be a downgrade in favor of diversity.
Scheneighnay McBob And the ButtPirates 6073	Posted - 2015.04.17 23:07:00 - [16] - Quote I'm not even sure why LAVs and dropships are open like they are. Makes armor completely pointless. Some details can be ignored
The Dark Cloud The Rainbow Effect 4461	Posted - 2015.04.18 00:18:00 - [17] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not even sure why LAVs and dropships are open like they are. Makes armor completely pointless. You want to know a hidden secret? Dropships (caldari once at least) where originally designed so that you can jump in them and use your weapons. You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nirKsqRtVSk Most noticably you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI If you have 1 complex myofibre module fitted on a medium frame/assault suit you can actually jump inside of a viper/myron/python. You can use your weapon and aswell stay inside of the dropship. However when the dropship flys too fast you will glitch trough the dropship and fall down. And yes this is possible on the current game engine that we have right now. I make the scrubs scream and the vets cry.
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 245	Posted - 2015.04.18 00:33:00 - [18] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: While it is a cool idea, it opens up some potential problems. Dropships with Mass Drivers making any open ground a killing field. Dropships with Swarm Launchers denying any enemy vehicle. Dropships with Forge Gunners acting like their own Warbarge Strike. Drive by shooting with LAV's. Heavy-LAV combination got so much flak. Imagine the Sentinel never even getting out of the car to gun people down. I don't think the current game is equipped to handle this idea as of right now. If the game were a lot bigger, something like Battlefield, I could see it working. While it may be something that should be looked into when/if this game ever transitions beyond what it currently is, I don't think it is a good idea for the game we currently have. What if they made it so the hitbox of the dropship would block certain types of weapons (like if you fired a mass driver or forge gun, you'd only damage yourself), so only rifles, pistols, SMGs, etc would be able to shoot out? Besides, if they the current team tried to implement it now, something like this is bound to happen, so why not use it? "Dogfighting with missiles is like watching two armless kids try to catch a baseball." - Dust Fiend
Aderek Made in Poland... E-R-A 131	Posted - 2015.04.18 13:34:00 - [19] - Quote The Dark Cloud wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm not even sure why LAVs and dropships are open like they are. Makes armor completely pointless. You want to know a hidden secret? Dropships (caldari once at least) where originally designed so that you can jump in them and use your weapons. You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nirKsqRtVSk Most noticably you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI If you have 1 complex myofibre module fitted on a medium frame/assault suit you can actually jump inside of a viper/myron/python. You can use your weapon and aswell stay inside of the dropship. However when the dropship flys too fast you will glitch trough the dropship and fall down. And yes this is possible on the current game engine that we have right now. I forgot about it :) dust514.pl, wcogram.pl, i-play24.net MM proto logi 60 kk SP and growing
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 10170	Posted - 2015.04.19 02:14:00 - [20] - Quote Forgeguns and HMGs are better than Small rail turrets and Small blaster turrets. I dont see why they just don't have them as small turrets if a infantry soldier can carry it. *As long as 5/6 (83%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*



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