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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:03:00 -
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"I disagree. Proto stomping is a real thing. An organized team with advanced gear would be beaten by an organized team in proto gear. Its the reason that you don't see PC corps run advanced gear loadouts.
On a more holistic level, Proto stomping is exacerbated because passive ISK has destroyed the one balancing factor of proto gear. Before PC began, and before ISK was worthless, there was no proto stomping in the way that we have it now. Sure, some corps like PFBHz had the funds to run proto as often as they liked, but we were part of the minority, not the majority.
Proto gear, particularly proto heavies at one point, were just so expensive that you could not justify their use except in competitive battle. It also meant that, through skill, a player with worse gear could put enough financial pressure on an opponent to force them to downgrade their gear and even the playing field between them. This had the effect of allowing teams to limit how rampant proto gear was in a given battle.
Nowadays, fighting against Proto is like a new corp fighting against an established one. No matter how well you do in lesser gear, even if skill is even between two groups, you don't have much hope at all in forcing proto teams to switch gear due to financial pressure. So, for any two groups that are evenly matched, the team running the best gear will always win. That may be logically sensible, but it is not fun. I think most players like the idea of the underdog story - where they stick at it in sub-par gear (compared to their opponents), and force their opponents to bleed enough ISK to do something different."
The name of the poster I forgot but he has a good point. While I've always wanted to avoid posting this because I usually get the reply "that I earned this isk through "fair pub game". But now I must post this as he said the one disadvantage of proto gear has been ruined especially with these, 100mill+ players, the reason why the stomps didn't happen so often prior the PC isk farmville ,because no one had the money. and bringing isk to an average would fix things for many of the less rich Dust players. And if not average atleast seperate the groups (you know meta) so you guys could fight eachother and we could fight eachother and we can all switch servers if needed.
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LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:22:00 -
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No.
It's too late.. Plus people would just stock up before the reset. Only a full asset wipe would change this, and frankly, that would be a ton of manpower and time more useful for other things.
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game RUST415
561
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Posted - 2015.04.07 23:41:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:No.
It's too late.. Plus people would just stock up before the reset. Only a full asset wipe would change this, and frankly, that would be a ton of manpower and time more useful for other things. Mmm well then meta will hopefully change the course of things.
Caldari Loyalist. ( -í° -£-û -í°) They see me rollin they Hating (..) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (..)
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
5650
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:06:00 -
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I see people are still looking for scapegoats and trying to destroy the game in the process.
Honestly if matchmaking is working the way its supposed to, Proto should never be a problem for any new player.
New players get put in the bottom bracket with bums who can't afford proto. Good players get put in the upper bracket and know how to deal with it.
That simple, really.
Usually banned for being too awesome.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance
708
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:25:00 -
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I would have went with, "Give me ISK, everyone else has a lot!"
or
"Take away every ones money because I don't have a bunch!"
Could have saves yourself some typing time >.>
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1215
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:31:00 -
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If that you mean give everyone who earned their ISK legitimately though PUBs a reason to quit then go ahead.
Your matchmaking sucked the last time and it still sucks this time.
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Forced Death
Corrosive Synergy Rise Of Legion.
431
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:34:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:If that you mean give everyone who earned their ISK legitimately though PUBs a reason to quit then go ahead. But for everyone who was part of the PC stuff, no. If they quit, their fault for abusing a mess up by the developers.
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Mejt0
Dead Man's Game RUST415
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Posted - 2015.04.08 00:55:00 -
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Meta lock is going to be a thing soon. If it will work out then it would be very cool. Especially for players who are bored of protostomping.
But.. Advance/Std stomping will be the same as protostomping now.
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SoTa PoP
Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback
6403
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Posted - 2015.04.08 01:08:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:"I disagree. Proto stomping is a real thing. An organized team with advanced gear would be beaten by an organized team in proto gear. Its the reason that you don't see PC corps run advanced gear loadouts.
On a more holistic level, Proto stomping is exacerbated because passive ISK has destroyed the one balancing factor of proto gear. Before PC began, and before ISK was worthless, there was no proto stomping in the way that we have it now. Sure, some corps like PFBHz had the funds to run proto as often as they liked, but we were part of the minority, not the majority.
Proto gear, particularly proto heavies at one point, were just so expensive that you could not justify their use except in competitive battle. It also meant that, through skill, a player with worse gear could put enough financial pressure on an opponent to force them to downgrade their gear and even the playing field between them. This had the effect of allowing teams to limit how rampant proto gear was in a given battle.
Nowadays, fighting against Proto is like a new corp fighting against an established one. No matter how well you do in lesser gear, even if skill is even between two groups, you don't have much hope at all in forcing proto teams to switch gear due to financial pressure. So, for any two groups that are evenly matched, the team running the best gear will always win. That may be logically sensible, but it is not fun. I think most players like the idea of the underdog story - where they stick at it in sub-par gear (compared to their opponents), and force their opponents to bleed enough ISK to do something different."
The name of the poster I forgot but he has a good point. While I've always wanted to avoid posting this because I usually get the reply "that I earned this isk through "fair pub game". But now I must post this as he said the one disadvantage of proto gear has been ruined especially with these, 100mill+ players, the reason why the stomps didn't happen so often prior the PC isk farmville ,because no one had the money. and bringing isk to an average would fix things for many of the less rich Dust players. And if not average atleast seperate the groups (you know meta) so you guys could fight eachother and we could fight eachother and we can all switch servers if needed. Were you here before passive ISK was introduced with PC?
Because, it's the same people kicking your ass, always running proto.
The thing is - ... if you don't die you can run proto all you like. :3
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