DUST Search - Vehicles in Ambush and over reaction to being OP'd

Cypher Nil wrote:

Phosis Norg wrote:

I would like to suggest that just because you get overwhelmed by a specific technology, in a match or group of matches, DOES NOT MEAN that this technology should be removed from the mode. It means that players have to adapt. It does not mean imbalance, it means change of view point, change of tactics.

For instance, at one time, the heavies were being killed by Douvolle TAC AR's. The complaining was huge and CCP nerfed the TAC ARs. Now the TAC ARs are worthless (and expensive for noobs to find out they are of no use).

Then, players began spamming tanks and were over running infantry, but then drop ship pilots figured out the tactic of how to stack ROF and began thinning out tanks so that infantry had a chance, but then tankers complained and now drop ships are almost worthless. The tankers could have learned (and some did) how to ditch and hide from drop ships.

Some heavies figured out that they could zoom up in an LAV and commit an execution and zoom on to another location. I hated it, but I started getting AV grenades for defense. But due to whiners, instead of changing tactics, now LAVs are almost worthless and have been eliminated from Ambush all together.

I believe the absence of vehicles in Ambush has made it just plain boring.

Why take out every vehicle from Ambush? You made the LAV weak, isn't that enough?
Vehicles add so much to the surprise factor that keeps the game entertaining. Enemies can arrive on the opposite side of the field rather quickly, and sometimes they are like the cavalry coming to the aid of team mates who are pinned down.

The 'two vehicle per team' limit was already an extreme action, but then the complete elimination of vehicles from Ambush has made it the most boring mode to play (IMHO).

I would like to suggest that you put LAVs back into Ambush. If you don't like tankers, and drop ships, so be it, but don't take away all forms of transportation from Ambush.

I strongly suggest that you could have unlimited LAVs in Ambush and it would not create an imbalance. In fact, now that you made LAVs weak and worthless, the AV guys would have a party in Ambush with the guys that drop LAVs. But at least vehicle activity could continue in somewhat open use. The LAV droppers won't know when they will face heavy AV opposition, but at least there is hope for the guy that has to walk his butt from across the map to where the action is.

Its a team based clone count killing mode. when you play a tank in any other mode you don't auto win the game because a tank can't capture a point. it influences the battle in a large way and the enemy team adapt by switching out to AV

In ambush it DOES win you the game because you take a large lead over the enemy team, it also takes FAR TOO LONG to adapt to the tank and switch out to AV, once the tank has given your team a 10-15 kill lead AND control of space on the battlefield the damage is done. there is NO WAY to come back from that.

So no, we dont want tanks back in ambush, it doesn't fit the spirit of the mode. now go play another mode if you enjoy tanks so much.


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Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.07 16:52:00 - [1] - Quote I would like to suggest that just because you get overwhelmed by a specific technology, in a match or group of matches, DOES NOT MEAN that this technology should be removed from the mode. It means that players have to adapt. It does not mean imbalance, it means change of view point, change of tactics. For instance, at one time, the heavies were being killed by Douvolle TAC AR's. The complaining was huge and CCP nerfed the TAC ARs. Now the TAC ARs are worthless (and expensive for noobs to find out they are of no use). Then, players began spamming tanks and were over running infantry, but then drop ship pilots figured out the tactic of how to stack ROF and began thinning out tanks so that infantry had a chance, but then tankers complained and now drop ships are almost worthless. The tankers could have learned (and some did) how to ditch and hide from drop ships. Some heavies figured out that they could zoom up in an LAV and commit an execution and zoom on to another location. I hated it, but I started getting AV grenades for defense. But due to whiners, instead of changing tactics, now LAVs are almost worthless and have been eliminated from Ambush all together. I believe the absence of vehicles in Ambush has made it just plain boring. Why take out every vehicle from Ambush? You made the LAV weak, isn't that enough? Vehicles add so much to the surprise factor that keeps the game entertaining. Enemies can arrive on the opposite side of the field rather quickly, and sometimes they are like the cavalry coming to the aid of team mates who are pinned down. The 'two vehicle per team' limit was already an extreme action, but then the complete elimination of vehicles from Ambush has made it the most boring mode to play (IMHO). I would like to suggest that you put LAVs back into Ambush. If you don't like tankers, and drop ships, so be it, but don't take away all forms of transportation from Ambush. I strongly suggest that you could have unlimited LAVs in Ambush and it would not create an imbalance. In fact, now that you made LAVs weak and worthless, the AV guys would have a party in Ambush with the guys that drop LAVs. But at least vehicle activity could continue in somewhat open use. The LAV droppers won't know when they will face heavy AV opposition, but at least there is hope for the guy that has to walk his butt from across the map to where the action is.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.08 21:15:00 - [2] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: I say screw your idea and keep tanks out of ambush. You get in a game against two proto tanks and your side decides it would be more efficient to call in a couple of LAV's. The fact is there should be mode without vehicles. Now if I could choose to go into an OMS or a regular ambush, I might agree with you, so I could have the choice of getting rhaped by a tank or not. You and the four other guys can play by yourselves in a 80 clone ambush with tanks, while the rest of us spam those 50 clones matches, I'm all for that ~(._.~) It's an interesting response to me saying that we should have LAV's in Ambush. I did not suggest tanks.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.08 21:17:00 - [3] - Quote Cypher Nil wrote: Phosis Norg wrote: I would like to suggest that just because you get overwhelmed by a specific technology, in a match or group of matches, DOES NOT MEAN that this technology should be removed from the mode. It means that players have to adapt. It does not mean imbalance, it means change of view point, change of tactics. For instance, at one time, the heavies were being killed by Douvolle TAC AR's. The complaining was huge and CCP nerfed the TAC ARs. Now the TAC ARs are worthless (and expensive for noobs to find out they are of no use). Then, players began spamming tanks and were over running infantry, but then drop ship pilots figured out the tactic of how to stack ROF and began thinning out tanks so that infantry had a chance, but then tankers complained and now drop ships are almost worthless. The tankers could have learned (and some did) how to ditch and hide from drop ships. Some heavies figured out that they could zoom up in an LAV and commit an execution and zoom on to another location. I hated it, but I started getting AV grenades for defense. But due to whiners, instead of changing tactics, now LAVs are almost worthless and have been eliminated from Ambush all together. I believe the absence of vehicles in Ambush has made it just plain boring. Why take out every vehicle from Ambush? You made the LAV weak, isn't that enough? Vehicles add so much to the surprise factor that keeps the game entertaining. Enemies can arrive on the opposite side of the field rather quickly, and sometimes they are like the cavalry coming to the aid of team mates who are pinned down. The 'two vehicle per team' limit was already an extreme action, but then the complete elimination of vehicles from Ambush has made it the most boring mode to play (IMHO). I would like to suggest that you put LAVs back into Ambush. If you don't like tankers, and drop ships, so be it, but don't take away all forms of transportation from Ambush. I strongly suggest that you could have unlimited LAVs in Ambush and it would not create an imbalance. In fact, now that you made LAVs weak and worthless, the AV guys would have a party in Ambush with the guys that drop LAVs. But at least vehicle activity could continue in somewhat open use. The LAV droppers won't know when they will face heavy AV opposition, but at least there is hope for the guy that has to walk his butt from across the map to where the action is. Its a team based clone count killing mode. when you play a tank in any other mode you don't auto win the game because a tank can't capture a point. it influences the battle in a large way and the enemy team adapt by switching out to AV In ambush it DOES win you the game because you take a large lead over the enemy team, it also takes FAR TOO LONG to adapt to the tank and switch out to AV, once the tank has given your team a 10-15 kill lead AND control of space on the battlefield the damage is done. there is NO WAY to come back from that. So no, we dont want tanks back in ambush, it doesn't fit the spirit of the mode. now go play another mode if you enjoy tanks so much. Wow, somehow everybody thought I said you should have Tanks in Ambush. However, I said we should have LAVs re-introduced.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.08 23:59:00 - [4] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Phosis Norg wrote: For instance, at one time, the heavies were being killed by Douvolle TAC AR's. The complaining was huge and CCP nerfed the TAC ARs. Now the TAC ARs are worthless (and expensive for noobs to find out they are of no use) TacAR is the best AR... So I severely doubt your opinion on other things. In the past 2 years, I know of one time I got killed by a TAC AR since the nerf. I play almost every day, and probably 5-10 battles a day. That's a lot of play to be hit by a lot of weapons. I'm not sure, but maybe you are playing on a different server where TAC ARs face softer suits or something.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.09 00:01:00 - [5] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Tac AR is bad is it? I fear that thing! That, scrambler charged shots, bolt pistols.... they all mess up my speedy fits with low tank. Then there is splash damage.... oh god. Guys stick to using shooty shooty machinegun sticks and shooty-shooty-shooty barrels. Please? I have been killed by a Douvolle TAC AR once in two years since the nerf. I play a lot, and almost every day. So unless there is some alternate server where people where squishy suits, I am sure the stats will bear out that Dui TAC ARs are crap since the nerfing of 2 years ago.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.09 00:02:00 - [6] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: I think he's just trying to get peeps to stop using the Tac AR.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.09 00:06:00 - [7] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Stopped tanking you seriously when you said (m)TAC was useless... (t)roll harder next time. I don't know about you, but I have been killed once by a Douvolle TAC AR in the past 2 years since the nerfing. I am sure the stats will bear it out that since the nerfing, they are crap. You aren't the only person to argue my point on this. But I play a lot, and I keep track of what is killing me. I was partial to the Douvolle TAC when they nerfed it, so I do pay attention, and I know of only one kill in since the nerfing 2 years ago... for me anyway.
Phosis Norg Mad Clone Posse 24	Posted - 2015.04.09 00:10:00 - [8] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I'll tell you something. 90% of ambush 'slayers' have struggles to destroy a LAV. That's why you have infantry only ambush. But at the same time as CCP banned them from Ambush, they reduced the LAV's protection by 40%. So my point is, why do both? If you think the LAV is too OP, then nerf it, like you did, but don't eliminate it too. Anyway, I'm kind of not happy because that IS the way CCP responds to complaints. It's good that they respond, but they seem to always do multiple fixes instead of slight corrections and waiting to see what the corrections do. Like nerfing the ROF on drop ships AND making AV stronger, faster, longer range. If you don't like drop ships, then nerf them, period, don't jump overboard and make the AV stronger too, do one or the other, not both! Make LAVs weaker, fine, but don't eliminate them too.