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DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 00:57:00 -
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What to do, what to do... |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:14:00 -
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On a scale of 1 to 10,how bad is your skill tree?
If less than 5, respec.
If less than 8, but greater than or equal to 5, boost!
If greater or equal to 8, spend money on hookers. |
DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:17:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10,how bad is your skill tree?
If less than 5, respec.
If less than 8, but greater than or equal to 5, boost!
If greater or equal to 8, spend money on hookers.
It's just, I wanna keep so much stuff and wondering if il have enough to spec into the other stuff I want haha. Man, wish I had enough money to do both. |
Kuruld Sengar
G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:20:00 -
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Don't respec till 40m lifetime sp. That;s enough for the upgrades tree, a suit and 2-3 weapons maxed out. Every 10m after that is another suit + weapon. |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:24:00 -
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Kuruld Sengar wrote:Don't respec till 40m lifetime sp. That;s enough for the upgrades tree, a suit and 2-3 weapons maxed out. Every 10m after that is another suit + weapon. 40 million is enough for 4 proto suits, and 3 and a half weapons at decent levels with all cores maxed. |
DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:25:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Kuruld Sengar wrote:Don't respec till 40m lifetime sp. That;s enough for the upgrades tree, a suit and 2-3 weapons maxed out. Every 10m after that is another suit + weapon. 40 million is enough for 4 proto suits, and 3 and a half weapons at decent levels with all cores maxed.
I was gonna say haha, I have 32 mill atm and I have a lot more than what he said. |
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:33:00 -
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DERP33 wrote:What to do, what to do...
If it's to add on what you've mastered...Booster.
If you want to do a total overhaul and fine tune your specialty... Respec
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duster 35000
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:36:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10,how bad is your skill tree?
If less than 5, respec.
If less than 8, but greater than or equal to 5, boost!
If greater or equal to 8, spend money on hookers. You know what? Screw you guys, I'm going to build a theme park, with blackjack, and hookers...
Molestia approved
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thehellisgoingon
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:39:00 -
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And I thought it was just me... 38k aur left.
Seven 3 day omega boosters or 1 respec? Roll the missions as i wish? Keys?!?!?! Lol no keys.
What's the math here on sp?
750,000 sp +ù 4 = 3,000,000 sp in 1 week? So 6 million sp in 2 weeks.
Man... I'm at 50 or 51 mil sp with 3-4 million unallocated. With 6 million more I'll be really lost.
Cores maxed because duh.
Amr sent 5 Amr asst 5 Cal asst 5 Gal scut 5
Scr 5 AR 5 RR 5 Hmg 5 Frg 5 Smg 5 rest at 1-3 to try it out
Maybe plc and flays next. Got a quafe plc paired with a toxin on a Kaalakiota assault bpo w/ 3 complex myos 3 adv packed av. I ride aroused? Lol I ride around looking for noob tanks to pop. 1 plc shot and 3 grenades later I'm calling in another free Guristas Saga to ride around in looking for trouble. Or get the quafe plasma kill shot for maximum tears.
I do have a bpo laser but I don't like it. Scr is more my style.
What's getting nerfed other then scr next update?
Cool. This post is more for me then whatever to get my thoughts written down.
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Joseph Ridgeson
warravens
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:54:00 -
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Best way to think about it: "what is a mistake or something you simply will never or are unlikely to use again?"
I forget the exact prices but I believe two 30 day booster packs are about the same as a Respec, right? 40k for the boosters and like 38 for Respec? Of course, you can get more mileage if you can cap in like 3 days and just get a bunch of Actives but let's be conservative.
8 weeks of 1.5 is an extra 3,672,000 SP IF you can cap out every time. Say you cap out in 5 days and still play 10 games in the two remaining days, that's an extra 40,000 SP. So call it 3.7 million.
Do you have more skills spent in areas that you will never use or are really unlikely to use again? Don't look at skills that are currently not powerful or things that are currently powerful as that may change. "Gallente Assault sucks! I want Minmatar!" might change when/if Minmatar Assault is nerfed and/or Gallente is buffed. If it is just "I don't like that I have Prototype Mass Driver because I never used the damn thing", that can save one million SP.
One thing I will say: PLAN YOUR RESPEC AHEAD FIRST!
Remember back to when you were a new player and had 500,000 SP. It seemed like so much but poof!, gone. The same thing happens even with 40+ million SP. A suit takes about 3 million of that, a weapon 1.5, necessary passives (Shield/Armor Upgrades, Engineering, Electronics, potentially EWAR and biotics) another 4-6. Take note of what is going away, what you are going to skill into, and what the left over will be used in.
Also, with the left over, don't just go Prototype with something. Keep it free for a while and play around with basic versions. You don't want to go "Combat Rifle is awesome because it looks fun!" and burn one million into it and find out that you don't like it.
If you are unsure but know you will cap out, Boosters are the best. If you ever decide to Respec, having that extra few million SP is more useful. If you are sure about what you want to do and/or are not positive you can cap out, Respec is safer. Pascal's Wager:
Respec instead of Boosters: "If I don't decide to change my mind, I am happy." "If I decide to change my mind and Respec again, I lost money." Boosters instead of Respec: "If I don't decide to change my mind, I am less happy than above but I still get what I wanted so happy." "If I change my mind later and Respec, I am not so unhappy because I have extra SP to work with."
You can't know if you will change your mind but you can know if you will get Boosters or Respec.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 02:31:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Best way to think about it: "what is a mistake or something you simply will never or are unlikely to use again?"
I forget the exact prices but I believe two 30 day booster packs are about the same as a Respec, right? 40k for the boosters and like 38 for Respec? Of course, you can get more mileage if you can cap in like 3 days and just get a bunch of Actives but let's be conservative.
8 weeks of 1.5 is an extra 3,672,000 SP IF you can cap out every time. Say you cap out in 5 days and still play 10 games in the two remaining days, that's an extra 40,000 SP. So call it 3.7 million.
Do you have more skills spent in areas that you will never use or are really unlikely to use again? Don't look at skills that are currently not powerful or things that are currently powerful as that may change. "Gallente Assault sucks! I want Minmatar!" might change when/if Minmatar Assault is nerfed and/or Gallente is buffed. If it is just "I don't like that I have Prototype Mass Driver because I never used the damn thing", that can save one million SP.
One thing I will say: PLAN YOUR RESPEC AHEAD FIRST!
Remember back to when you were a new player and had 500,000 SP. It seemed like so much but poof!, gone. The same thing happens even with 40+ million SP. A suit takes about 3 million of that, a weapon 1.5, necessary passives (Shield/Armor Upgrades, Engineering, Electronics, potentially EWAR and biotics) another 4-6. Take note of what is going away, what you are going to skill into, and what the left over will be used in.
Also, with the left over, don't just go Prototype with something. Keep it free for a while and play around with basic versions. You don't want to go "Combat Rifle is awesome because it looks fun!" and burn one million into it and find out that you don't like it.
If you are unsure but know you will cap out, Boosters are the best. If you ever decide to Respec, having that extra few million SP is more useful. If you are sure about what you want to do and/or are not positive you can cap out, Respec is safer. Pascal's Wager:
Respec instead of Boosters: "If I don't decide to change my mind, I am happy." "If I decide to change my mind and Respec again, I lost money." Boosters instead of Respec: "If I don't decide to change my mind, I am less happy than above but I still get what I wanted so happy." "If I change my mind later and Respec, I am not so unhappy because I have extra SP to work with."
You can't know if you will change your mind but you can know if you will get Boosters or Respec.
Yes il will definitely have to sit down one day and grind out the numbers to see if I'l be able to spec into what I want to. I mean, I usually cap out so those boosters will be useful aswell. We shall see... |
Denchlad 7
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2015.04.05 02:33:00 -
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If you wish to respec, plan the living s*** out of it.
Seriously, I made a fully formatted custom designed spreadsheet to list every skillbook in the game and their values, and multipliers. Then compared against what I had and what I wanted, and worked out the approximate time it would take me to get the remaining skills. I realised I needed to respec or I'd be waiting 6 months, so, I did, and voila everything worked perfectly.
Plan or you will quite likely make an expensive mistake.
"Dench stop hitting your head you Caldari pinball" - m621 zma
Currently on Dust hiatus.
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DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 02:35:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:If you wish to respec, plan the living s*** out of it.
Seriously, I made a fully formatted custom designed spreadsheet to list every skillbook in the game and their values, and multipliers. Then compared against what I had and what I wanted, and worked out the approximate time it would take me to get the remaining skills. I realised I needed to respec or I'd be waiting 6 months, so, I did, and voila everything worked perfectly.
Plan or you will quite likely make an expensive mistake.
My god, this is gonna be a lot of work haha. |
Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.04.05 03:45:00 -
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Don't spec out of something that you might miss later.
I respec'd at 50mil. Got every Amarr Dropsuit to five, the entire Dropsuit Upgrades tree maxed besides shield mods, and HMG/Forge/All Laser Weapons maxed besides optimization where I didn't need it. Feels weird having nothing to spec into anymore.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2015.04.05 05:30:00 -
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Boosters.
Omegas are on sale right now so anything you want to skill in to can be had in two weeks at the most with them triple stacked. |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:27:00 -
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maxed core is about 24 million if i remember correctly, Dropsuit is about 3 mil. Then you'll want a Main weapon, sidearm and damage mods, thats about 6-8 million if you max one light and sidearm w/ damage mods. If you havent done this already and dont mind using one suit, one main weapon and one sidearm for a few months then respec (less if you use boosters). Otherwise use boosters, then once you get over about 50-60 million SP respec if you so choose. |
DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:32:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:maxed core is about 24 million if i remember correctly, Dropsuit is about 3 mil. Then you'll want a Main weapon, sidearm and damage mods, thats about 6-8 million if you max one light and sidearm w/ damage mods. If you havent done this already and dont mind using one suit, one main weapon and one sidearm for a few months then respec (less if you use boosters). Otherwise use boosters, then once you get over about 50-60 million SP respec if you so choose.
Is the core counting all the equipment like uplinks and nanohives? And i also know that I wont be speccing into max kins, myos, and cardiac regs. Im thinking I would only need like 18 mill in it. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:41:00 -
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A full re-spec went well for me, was able to top off some skills that I probably would have not had I just been going as normal. I maxed Gal/Min commandos and two primary weapons for each. Added in swarms and Flaylock, after that maxed a few other suits and now every suit I use runs at optimal levels. Since then I've dumped my SP into vehicles and the LR.
/Faceplam
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LT SHANKS
You In The Nutz
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:02:00 -
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OP, if you respec, I have a build that can counter anything anyone throws at you. The only downside is that you'll be limited to one suit and three weapons, but once you have this out of the way, you can skill into practically anything.
LT Shanx's #1 Minmatar Assault Build
Total SP Cost: 31.6 ish Million Skill Points
Dropsuit Command -1 Minmatar Medium Dropsuits -3 Minmatar Asault Dropsuits -5
Dropsuit Upgrade -4
Dropsuit Armor Upgrades -5 Dropsuit Armor Plating -5 Dropsuit Armor Repair -5
Dropsuit Shield Upgrades -5 Shield Extension -5 Shield Recharging -5 Shield Regulation -5
Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades -5 Kinetic Catalyzation -5 Hand to Hand Combat -5 Cardiac Regulation -5
Core Upgrades -5 Engineering -5 Electronics -5 Nanocircuitry -5
Systems Hacking -5 Precision Enhancement -5 Profile Dampening -5 Range Amplification -5
Drop Uplink Deployment -3
Weaponry -3 Explosives -5 Handheld Weapons -5
Light Weapon Operation -5 Sidearm Operation -5 Grenadier -5 Demolitions -1
Combat Rifle Operations -5 Combat Rifle Sharpshooter -3 Combat Rifle Rapid Reload -3 Combat Rifle Ammo Capacity -3 Combat Rifle Proficiency -4 Combat Rifel Fitting Optimization -2
Swarm Launcher Operation -5 Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload -3 Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity -3 Swarm Launcher Proficiency -4 Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization -2
SMG Operation -5 SMG Sharpshooter -3 SMG Rapid Reload -3 SMG Ammo Capacity -3 SMG Proficiency -4 SMG Fitting Optimization -2 |
DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:14:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:OP, if you respec, I have a build that can counter anything anyone throws at you. The only downside is that you'll be limited to one suit and three weapons, but once you have this out of the way, you can skill into practically anything.
LT Shanx's #1 Minmatar Assault Build
Total SP Cost: 31.6 ish Million Skill Points
Dropsuit Command -1 Minmatar Medium Dropsuits -3 Minmatar Asault Dropsuits -5
Dropsuit Upgrade -4
Dropsuit Armor Upgrades -5 Dropsuit Armor Plating -5 Dropsuit Armor Repair -5
Dropsuit Shield Upgrades -5 Shield Extension -5 Shield Recharging -5 Shield Regulation -5
Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades -5 Kinetic Catalyzation -5 Hand to Hand Combat -5 Cardiac Regulation -5
Core Upgrades -5 Engineering -5 Electronics -5 Nanocircuitry -5
Systems Hacking -5 Precision Enhancement -5 Profile Dampening -5 Range Amplification -5
Drop Uplink Deployment -3
Weaponry -3 Explosives -5 Handheld Weapons -5
Light Weapon Operation -5 Sidearm Operation -5 Grenadier -5 Demolitions -1
Combat Rifle Operations -5 Combat Rifle Sharpshooter -3 Combat Rifle Rapid Reload -3 Combat Rifle Ammo Capacity -3 Combat Rifle Proficiency -4 Combat Rifel Fitting Optimization -2
Swarm Launcher Operation -5 Swarm Launcher Rapid Reload -3 Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity -3 Swarm Launcher Proficiency -4 Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization -2
SMG Operation -5 SMG Sharpshooter -3 SMG Rapid Reload -3 SMG Ammo Capacity -3 SMG Proficiency -4 SMG Fitting Optimization -2
Interesting, thnx for build. Il have to think about this. |
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LT SHANKS
You In The Nutz
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:39:00 -
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@Derp
No problem, and you really can't go wrong with this setup. The MinMatar Assault has the best slot layout on any assault suit with a decent balance of speed and regen. It's bonus to projectile magazine capacity increases overall DPS to the CR and the SMG, which are arguably the best light and sidearm weapons in game. With Swarms, you'll be able to ward off any pesky vehicles that come your way, and your 1 point into demolitions ensures that you have the ability to attach REs to tanks whilst giving you the extra utility to clear rooms crowded with reds.
The only other weapons I'd recommend you skill into are the Mass Driver for area denial/suppression and the Sniper Rifle for counter-sniping, and with those, you'll be complete. Your MinAss will be able to do everything except scan down reds, heal blues, or turn "slightly" invisible, but these can come later as you gain more SP to branch off into other roles.
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DERP33
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:51:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:@Derp
No problem, and you really can't go wrong with this setup. The MinMatar Assault has the best slot layout on any assault suit with a decent balance of speed and regen. It's bonus to projectile magazine capacity increases overall DPS to the CR and the SMG, which are arguably the best light and sidearm weapons in game. With Swarms, you'll be able to ward off any pesky vehicles that come your way, and your 1 point into demolitions ensures that you have the ability to attach REs to tanks whilst giving you the extra utility to clear rooms crowded with reds.
The only other weapons I'd recommend you skill into are the Mass Driver for area denial/suppression and the Sniper Rifle for counter-sniping, and with those, you'll be complete. Your MinAss will be able to do everything except scan down reds, heal blues, or turn "slightly" invisible, but these can come later as you gain more SP to branch off into other roles.
Ya it does seem like a jack of all trades. I have never really been an assault guy, more of a scout haha. This build definitely seems viable though, I might try it out. The only issue with me is, I get really bored of suits some times so this won't help much haha. |
Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.04.05 19:53:00 -
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DERP33 wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:maxed core is about 24 million if i remember correctly, Dropsuit is about 3 mil. Then you'll want a Main weapon, sidearm and damage mods, thats about 6-8 million if you max one light and sidearm w/ damage mods. If you havent done this already and dont mind using one suit, one main weapon and one sidearm for a few months then respec (less if you use boosters). Otherwise use boosters, then once you get over about 50-60 million SP respec if you so choose. Is the core counting all the equipment like uplinks and nanohives? And i also know that I wont be speccing into max kins, myos, and cardiac regs. Im thinking I would only need like 18 mill in it. Biotics are a bit niche, fantastic to have but I wouldn't say a necessity. It'd be preference more than anything. I will say if you are gonna respec, wait until you have some more Spend make sure you know what you want or you'll want to respec again. |
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