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Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 08:26:00 - [1] - Quote Hi CCP Team, May I request for your kind assistance, if we can have a list/count of of how many players are using KBM and so for DS3. Reason for this is to clarify the myth, rage and blaming finger on KBM users that they are "special" versus DS3. This is to avoid tons QQ thread/post topics of the following below; Need your input/stats/data on this; Out strafing - ADADA KBM versus figure 8 of DS3 users (wiggle wiggle dance move) Auto Aim/Precision - We do know that AA is disabled for KBM, but if not kindly correct me on this. KBM Native Support or Emulated - Myths and Facts about Keyboard having an upper hand, your input is appreciated on this. I've scanned/search the forums about this and there has been topics about it. Stats on Long Range Kills and CQC for DS3 versus KBM -Who always wins on gun fight engagement especially for CQC This is the list, that I can think of for now... Also if we can have this thread/post on stick, so QQ'ers can immediately see this topic or can be shared to them via link. your response to this query is surely appreciated. regards, Mikhail Windgates
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 09:20:00 - [2] - Quote Mikhail Windgates wrote: I see the hate for kbm, and can't blame them. Some or most of you think kbm, has an advantage over the DS3. But nope it doesn't, kindly search the forums for threads about KBM or keyboard (key word search). And for sure you'll notice some of those threads are requesting to have KBM fixed back to beta version. see example thread below; Thread Subject: The Keyboard/mouse MYTH and it's underlying problems Link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1662068#post1662068 Author: XxGhazbaranxX XxGhazbaranxX wrote: It's false. Many people, mainly those who do not use it or have only used them in other shooter or games, tend to believe that the KB/M is better than "non-aim assisted DS3". The reality of the matter is that the KB/M of other games is very different from KB/M in DUST 514. It's main difference is that KB/M in other games, where it is supported, mainly in PC or otherwise, has aim assist. This simple fact creates a community that believes that the KB/M is a godly tool that gives an unfair edge over DS3 users to the wielder. This little debate is hurtful to the game and the community at large. Many users of the DS3, pre aim assist, which was and is the majority of the player base, directly competed with KB/M users and largely bested them. During these times it wasn't rare to hear someone say " I would have totally won that engagement if he wasn't using KB/M!" but, how did the player that lost the engagement know he was using KB/M? The reality is that it was an excuse for being less of a player than the opponent. The majority of the times, simply because the majority of the players use them; it was a DS3 user that beat them. The myth soon caught on though and KB/M users suffered for it. CCP devised a series of handicaps such as slowed turn speed and target repulsion, where if you where using a KB/M your crosshair would actively be repelled by the target (Very notable when using Vehicle turrets) making it very difficult to keep a steady aim.... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'm one of those kbm users, and I'm not even a legendary slayer (seriously, just a casual gamer). Example; you have a foe in CQC doing wiggle-wiggle dance move and if I do the ADADA, you think I'll win that dance battle do you? you're wrong 90% of the time I'll be taken out and the remaining 10% is because of luck and my experience. Did you try to use DS3? Yes I did. But I suck on being a twitch user on a DS3, my hands are not that in well grasp on the DS3 controller. Also I've tried playing FPS games on xbox one console and so far I think I can play better (aim) with the xbox controller. That is not versus bots, but on PVP. So yeah I think it's somehow true, that using the xbox controller for FPS console games is better due button layout. (in my opinion). Why use KBM? I'm more inclined in using kbm on FPS games, mainly because I'm used to to it. I've been playing FPS games on PC way back then, where we have Quake3, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament. If removing KBM on this game is needed, will you agree on it? Yes Sure If they removed the aim assist and fixed hit detection. Isn't your good in using keyboard and why do you agree? I think I can buy a xbox controller and I can use it on my PS3 console. Via adapter and use it for FPS games on PS3 console for Dust 514. If they didn't removed the support for KBM, but removed aim assist on DS3. Do you think it's unfair? No I've been playing this game Dust 514 since after the beta stage (i think so). Back then CQC battles like 1on1's were far better without auto aim, it's more like oh he/she got me, cause that guy has better gun fight. Do you think I always won a 1on1 match back then, the answer is no. That is always on 50/50 result, still the fights back then were fulfilling. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I saw this on other forum post and I'll put this question here... So tell me, how many legendary keyboard and mouse users do we have in this game. Can you give me a list? To CCP Team, Can we have a list of how many DS3 users versus KBM users here in this game. And put it on sticky thread to avoid so much QQ and blame finger stuff. regards, Mikhail Windgates I've quoted myself from the other post that I've replied. So yeah, Agree also that kbm should not be on a console game. But still thankful that kbm is available for this console game . I can't do those amazing strafe that they claim for KBM. I've tried it and most of the time I just drop down cold, especially for CQC. It's just me or probably they have better kbm or internet connection or AA DS3 or modded controller or a KBM to controller emulator mod or I just suck. Not sure but regardless of what they have or so, I still play this game. Cause no matter what, they are always people who are ahead of you in terms of gameplay or whatever it is. And I accept that, just want to see a clear info coming from CCP devs that may/can help QQ'ers about the flame thing about KBM etc. So I'm waiting for CCP Rattati and his team for some of my inquires. About angela07legion, yup I know her, she's a vet player. Good to hear that she's into tanking . Thanks for your inputs also .
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 09:30:00 - [3] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: keep in mind there is also a few other differences... moslty on the exploit front you can emulate a DS3 using KB/M to gain aim assist using a special program you can get a modded controller with a gaming KB/M you have the ability to complelty remap any key and button to do whatever you wish incuding the installation of maros on the higher end of things you would be surprised how oftin these are used. with the emulation program the KB/M comes out on top, without it they become equal because of the macro variety the KB/M presents (for instance a button the automatically does the figure 8 strafe, or the adad strafe) in addition to autofire and recoil canceling. since exploiting the game like this isnt an banable offence (as confirmed when these tactics were used in official CCP tournaments) its concidered fair game, but not admitted to publically. as a note ide like to state that im one of the members of the cummunity that routinly find new exploits and find ways to replicate them, not to use them but to counter and report them. Yup, also aware of that. So even though they complain about KBM as using with macro and stuff. We also have modded DS3 controllers with turbo on them, not sure if they can be reprogram for macro commands in terms of strafing etc. But yeah, there are people who will go for those kind stuff. To have an *upper hand, but that's their decision. It's like saying to yourself I need those kind of macro and stuff just to stay competitive and good (kinda like steroids/drugs). And we can't stop them for using such things, but still I play for fun and not spending extra cash for those stuff .
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 09:39:00 - [4] - Quote dzizur wrote: For example - I'm aiming for the head @ 70 with a scrambler rifle, my opponent is not moving in any direction. I have my crosshair 1 pixel to the right of the enemy head, I move my mouse just a tiny little bit to left, now its 1 pixel to the left of the enemy head... as If his head was "between" pixels. I can track my targets better at those ranges, as I have more experience in playing with kb/m than ds3, while at close and cqc ranges I feel as if DS3 aim assist is always better than if I aimed "manually". IMO both ds3 with aimbot (ermm.. aim assist) and kb/m have their own advantages and disadvantages in various playstyles, but in the end a kb/m that emulates ds3 wins ;P I got what you mean, Just a little movement from them and it's already out of aim. even though your dead sure that you have aim properly for the head. Notice that also for CQC, better coding for DS3 CQC probably that's why they have an upper hand for it. So in the near future, in case we have legion for PC. and if they will support the DS3 or XBOX controller, will we have an upper hand on KBM users . So they should make things clear for the PC version, to support controllers or not. this is to avoid such things like QQ stuff, the other way around i.e. please fix controller support for PC it sucks being emulated.
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 09:43:00 - [5] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: things that you can do with a macro enhances KB/M that cant be done with anything else. reload clipping (can be used for another exploit) melee glitch (fixed) rapid fire glitch (not fixed) full auto on semi-auto (also available to modded controller) recoil canceling (available to modded controller but not as tunable or effective) rapid reload glitch auto strafe auto melee (melees on tunable basis as a finisher, can be tuned to how many melee attacks it will do) quick swap macro (hilarious with a scrambler rifle, automatchically shots and swaps a scramber with an SMG for maximum efficiancy without any further button pushes) auto granade cook (will cook a granades to the perfect temp than throw) automatic replication of various glitches and exploits (the overheat cancel once belonged here) the limit is only the users imagination, i come from a background of automation scripting so imm pretty good at finding interesting ways to automate gameplay. the KB/M setup is rediculasly tunable and done right and with practice you can so some pretty insane things with it. also due to the input potential there are a few exploits ONLY obtainable with macros Wish we have a test server, so guys like you can help out dev team in finding exploits. and to aid them in fixing it. Anyway thanks for the additional info that you've shared. o7
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 09:56:00 - [6] - Quote dzizur wrote: No, its not "just a little movement from them", THEY ARE STANDING STILL!! I can't point to an exact pixel where his head is, its always somewhere around, but not spot-on. As for cqc, DS3 works better ONLY because it has superior aim-assist, I don't even have to aim much witha ds3 in cqc, just strafe around and aim assist will do the rest. @Ghostchance - sad thing is, macros you are talking about can also be implemented in ds3 controller, so it's not only kb/m thing Getting good feedback from you guys, i mean unbiased opinions. This one of the reason why I think, I'll try other means of controller. Like the xbox 360 controller, I've tried it playing FPS games with my friends xbox console. (i don't own an xbox). and I like the feel of precision and button layout of it. left analog stick is on the upper left corner and the d-pad is on the buttom left, and it just feels good when handling the controller. in my opinion that is.

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