DUST Search - Lets get rid of aim assit

XxGhazbaranxX wrote:

It's false.

Many people, mainly those who do not use it or have only used them in other shooter or games, tend to believe that the KB/M is better than "non-aim assisted DS3". The reality of the matter is that the KB/M of other games is very different from KB/M in DUST 514. It's main difference is that KB/M in other games, where it is supported, mainly in PC or otherwise, has aim assist. This simple fact creates a community that believes that the KB/M is a godly tool that gives an unfair edge over DS3 users to the wielder.

This little debate is hurtful to the game and the community at large. Many users of the DS3, pre aim assist, which was and is the majority of the player base, directly competed with KB/M users and largely bested them. During these times it wasn't rare to hear someone say " I would have totally won that engagement if he wasn't using KB/M!" but, how did the player that lost the engagement know he was using KB/M? The reality is that it was an excuse for being less of a player than the opponent. The majority of the times, simply because the majority of the players use them; it was a DS3 user that beat them.

The myth soon caught on though and KB/M users suffered for it. CCP devised a series of handicaps such as slowed turn speed and target repulsion, where if you where using a KB/M your crosshair would actively be repelled by the target (Very notable when using Vehicle turrets) making it very difficult to keep a steady aim....

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Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 54	Posted - 2015.04.03 03:00:00 - [1] - Quote I'm tired of getting shot trough walls, I even when as far as to turn the darn thing off altogether not like my bullets are going to register any better, for some reason the enemy always seems to have magnetic bullets while I get stuck with bb's
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5874	Posted - 2015.04.03 03:01:00 - [2] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: I'm tired of getting shot trough walls, I even when as far as to turn the darn thing off altogether not like my bullets are going to register any better, for some reason the enemy always seems to have magnetic bullets while I get stuck with bb's That's called lag, not aim-assist. I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 1194	Posted - 2015.04.03 03:07:00 - [3] - Quote I'm all for it but then m&kb support would need to be deleted too. Caldari Hero Loyal To The State Mejt0 Sale List
Sergeant Snuggles INFAM0US 166	Posted - 2015.04.03 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: I'm tired of getting shot trough walls, I got meleed through a wall once. I wasn't even mad. Damn you, Romy. In a world without ISK, we might have been heroes.
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 54	Posted - 2015.04.03 14:35:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: I'm tired of getting shot trough walls, I even when as far as to turn the darn thing off altogether not like my bullets are going to register any better, for some reason the enemy always seems to have magnetic bullets while I get stuck with bb's That's called lag, not aim-assist. no aim assist is the actual problem if you ever get into a game where there is relatively no lag and you take cover and see bullets flying trough the wall that's aim assist making the bullets hit even when they shouldn't, lag is when I got hit by a plc even when I was meters away and it wasn't just splash it was a direct hit
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 54	Posted - 2015.04.03 14:36:00 - [6] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: I'm all for it but then m&kb support would need to be deleted too. I don't know what assist kbm has but if you've ever tried it you'd know how hard it is other then sniping
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 14:46:00 - [7] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I'm all for it but then m&kb support would need to be deleted too. I don't know what assist kbm has but if you've ever tried it you'd know how hard it is other then sniping Kbm has no aim assist at all
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 230	Posted - 2015.04.03 14:52:00 - [8] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I'm all for it but then m&kb support would need to be deleted too. I don't know what assist kbm has but if you've ever tried it you'd know how hard it is other then sniping He uses it... exposedsquad
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 230	Posted - 2015.04.03 14:55:00 - [9] - Quote Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... exposedsquad
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:42:00 - [10] - Quote jade gamester wrote: Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... It's not kbm players that are super-strafers

Atlas Donovan The Immortal Order 11	Posted - 2015.04.03 15:54:00 - [11] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... It's not kbm players that are super-strafers Super strafer setup; - Min Assault x4 kin cats 100% sensitivity in the settings menu figure 8 with left analog stick or quick jitter left to right or right to left with left analog stick enough practice you're single and no one loves you = super strafer
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 232	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:18:00 - [12] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... It's not kbm players that are super-strafers Yes it is lmao extacy uses his for strafe lool exposedsquad
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:33:00 - [13] - Quote jade gamester wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... It's not kbm players that are super-strafers Yes it is lmao extacy uses his for strafe lool No, really no. This same argument has been popping up several times a month and every single time the anti-kbm crew are proved wrong. Look back in the forums and you'll see it again and again and again. I use kbm exclusively. Only 1 other person I play with (or have ever played with) uses it because it's rubbish compared to the magnetic bullets those with aim assist have. When I strafe, I need to track exactly with my mouse to follow the enemy. 1mm out and I miss. If a ds3 user strafes, aim assist helps to track and they cause damage, despite not aiming on target.
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 232	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:35:00 - [14] - Quote Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... It's not kbm players that are super-strafers Yes it is lmao extacy uses his for strafe lool No, really no. This same argument has been popping up several times a month and every single time the anti-kbm crew are proved wrong. Look back in the forums and you'll see it again and again and again. I use kbm exclusively. Only 1 other person I play with (or have ever played with) uses it because it's rubbish compared to the magnetic bullets those with aim assist have. When I strafe, I need to track exactly with my mouse to follow the enemy. 1mm out and I miss. If a ds3 user strafes, aim assist helps to track and they cause damage, despite not aiming on target. if kbm is so rubbish why use it on a ps3? Explain to me exposedsquad
Cody Sietz Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 4458	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:37:00 - [15] - Quote I'd love to remove it, I'd also like to get rid of bullet magnetism. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 232	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:39:00 - [16] - Quote Sicerly Yaw wrote: I'm tired of getting shot trough walls, I even when as far as to turn the darn thing off altogether not like my bullets are going to register any better, for some reason the enemy always seems to have magnetic bullets while I get stuck with bb's How can you moan at players for having aim assist when you have it as well? exposedsquad
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 984	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote What I'm taking from this thread... Is that I should turn auto-aim back on?
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:40:00 - [18] - Quote jade gamester wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Raptor Princess wrote: jade gamester wrote: Okay so if they remove aim assist that basically means 60% of the player Base would leave. I'm sorry but I will not lose aim assist and then get butchered by kbm because you can strafe so fast you break hit detection... It's not kbm players that are super-strafers Yes it is lmao extacy uses his for strafe lool No, really no. This same argument has been popping up several times a month and every single time the anti-kbm crew are proved wrong. Look back in the forums and you'll see it again and again and again. I use kbm exclusively. Only 1 other person I play with (or have ever played with) uses it because it's rubbish compared to the magnetic bullets those with aim assist have. When I strafe, I need to track exactly with my mouse to follow the enemy. 1mm out and I miss. If a ds3 user strafes, aim assist helps to track and they cause damage, despite not aiming on target. if kbm is so rubbish why use it on a ps3? Explain to me My controller is broken (unless I want to afk- if I move the analogue stick in any direction, it stays there). Also, I have really poor coordination and lack strength in half my body so there are days where I can only use one hand properly - I can't make adjustments to aiming on a controller, but I can sit and snipe without any problems.
jade gamester Dead Man's Game RUST415 232	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:41:00 - [19] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: What I'm taking from this thread... Is that I should turn auto-aim back on? It helps abit if you free aim. I personally aim at the head or chest not a mile away and hope for aim assist exposedsquad
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 188	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:45:00 - [20] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: What I'm taking from this thread... Is that I should turn auto-aim back on? Aim assist is more OP than any scrambler rifle wielding Amarr will ever be

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 986	Posted - 2015.04.03 16:48:00 - [21] - Quote Lol, I should mention I have played around with the AA a few times... I found it to be at it's best on spray weapons. But I generally hate not being in full control of the sight. When it moves itself (even if it's putting it somewhere better than I had it) it just bugs the hell out of me. If I could have the bullet magnetism, but without the "I was going for a headhost, then some guy ran infront, now I'm shooting at a wall" then I'd probably have it on without question xD
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 54	Posted - 2015.04.03 19:07:00 - [22] - Quote jade gamester wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: Mejt0 wrote: I'm all for it but then m&kb support would need to be deleted too. I don't know what assist kbm has but if you've ever tried it you'd know how hard it is other then sniping He uses it... tried not use, learn to read?
Sicerly Yaw Quantum times 54	Posted - 2015.04.03 19:09:00 - [23] - Quote jade gamester wrote: Sicerly Yaw wrote: I'm tired of getting shot trough walls, I even when as far as to turn the darn thing off altogether not like my bullets are going to register any better, for some reason the enemy always seems to have magnetic bullets while I get stuck with bb's How can you moan at players for having aim assist when you have it as well? does anyone read now a day? I removed it quite a while ago and have not been playing with it other then to test how broken it is
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:11:00 - [24] - Quote I see the hate for kbm, and can't blame them. Some or most of you think kbm, has an advantage over the DS3. But nope it doesn't, kindly search the forums for threads about KBM or keyboard (key word search). And for sure you'll notice some of those threads are requesting to have KBM fixed back to beta version. see example thread below; Thread Subject: The Keyboard/mouse MYTH and it's underlying problems Link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1662068#post1662068 Author: XxGhazbaranxX XxGhazbaranxX wrote: It's false. Many people, mainly those who do not use it or have only used them in other shooter or games, tend to believe that the KB/M is better than "non-aim assisted DS3". The reality of the matter is that the KB/M of other games is very different from KB/M in DUST 514. It's main difference is that KB/M in other games, where it is supported, mainly in PC or otherwise, has aim assist. This simple fact creates a community that believes that the KB/M is a godly tool that gives an unfair edge over DS3 users to the wielder. This little debate is hurtful to the game and the community at large. Many users of the DS3, pre aim assist, which was and is the majority of the player base, directly competed with KB/M users and largely bested them. During these times it wasn't rare to hear someone say " I would have totally won that engagement if he wasn't using KB/M!" but, how did the player that lost the engagement know he was using KB/M? The reality is that it was an excuse for being less of a player than the opponent. The majority of the times, simply because the majority of the players use them; it was a DS3 user that beat them. The myth soon caught on though and KB/M users suffered for it. CCP devised a series of handicaps such as slowed turn speed and target repulsion, where if you where using a KB/M your crosshair would actively be repelled by the target (Very notable when using Vehicle turrets) making it very difficult to keep a steady aim.... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I'm one of those kbm users, and I'm not even a legendary slayer (seriously, just a casual gamer). Example; you have a foe in CQC doing wiggle-wiggle dance move and if I do the ADADA, you think I'll win that dance battle do you? you're wrong 90% of the time I'll be taken out and the remaining 10% is because of luck and my experience. Did you try to use DS3? Yes I did. But I suck on being a twitch user on a DS3, my hands are not that in well grasp on the DS3 controller. Also I've tried playing FPS games on xbox one console and so far I think I can play better (aim) with the xbox controller. That is not versus bots, but on PVP. So yeah I think it's somehow true, that using the xbox controller for FPS console games is better due button layout. (in my opinion). Why use KBM? I'm more inclined in using kbm on FPS games, mainly because I'm used to to it. I've been playing FPS games on PC way back then, where we have Quake3, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament. If removing KBM on this game is needed, will you agree on it? Yes Sure If they removed the aim assist and fixed hit detection. Isn't your good in using keyboard and why do you agree? I think I can buy a xbox controller and I can use it on my PS3 console. Via adapter and use it for FPS games on PS3 console for Dust 514. If they didn't removed the support for KBM, but removed aim assist on DS3. Do you think it's unfair? No I've been playing this game Dust 514 since after the beta stage (i think so). Back then CQC battles like 1on1's were far better without auto aim, it's more like oh he/she got me, cause that guy has better gun fight. Do you think I always won a 1on1 match back then, the answer is no. That is always on 50/50 result, still the fights back then were fulfilling. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I saw this on other forum post and I'll put this question here... So tell me, how many legendary keyboard and mouse users do we have in this game. Can you give me a list? To CCP Team, Can we have a list of how many DS3 users versus KBM users here in this game. And put it on sticky thread to avoid so much QQ and blame finger stuff. regards, Mikhail Windgates
Darkstalker Astrea Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.04.04 03:50:00 - [25] - Quote NO Let's get rid of HEALTH Have yourself one cigarette after another after another after another EAT foods with high fat and high cholesterol DO NOT exercise BECOME reborn BECOME the new vessel for disease BECOME very obese and slow and downtrodden so the Abyss can have you
Mikhail Windgates 7th air cav 12	Posted - 2015.04.04 10:09:00 - [26] - Quote How about fix first core game mechanics like hit detection. Once it's fixed, have CCP remove auto aim. Or remove auto aim, lets see the performance of the players and then tweak hit detection.


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