The current state of assault swarms is logically pointless. Halfing your dps is rarely a good idea. There are a few things that would make these more useful.

1 add knock back to them. Enough to flip a LAV and disrupt a dropship

2 increase range to 250m

3 make them lock on faster

4 make it a sidearm that is smaller and fires 2 missiles instead of 4

5 speed up flight of missiles

I personally like the combination of 2 and 3 because it allows the swarmer to fire back at the vehicles that use speed and range to kill infantry that have hopes of performing an AV role

1. Knock back ? For starters its already in place
1a. - On Lavs. They are already gimped enough from Echo. Less native shields/armor ;softer shieldd regen, much easier to take out now. swarms dont need any more help here
enough drivers at full speed can flip the LAV on their own without the help of AV

1b - On Dropships, they already disrupt flight path when the DS is at a hovering pace assuming that when its attacking yes?
therby disrupting most pilots ability to attack.
ANY i repeat ANY AV projectile that hits already disrupts the attack. At least for a while.
Some swarm attacks have been known to knock ships into buildings!


2. Increase range? the range of swarms is already at 400m atm....450m if its officer...
maybe your talking about lock on range? I think a long lock on range its been done before and reduced for good reason. Thats just too much coverage on objectives.
Imagine trying to close the distance with any vehicle an overly long lock on range would be too imbalanced.

On tangent:
I can see how like the assault variant as compared to most variants assault usually means more range.
but you get more range for less damage. or more shots for less damage. but for swarming we don't want gimped damage do we?

3. I agree with you here lock on speed needs to be as fast as the vanilla swarm with perhaps some tweaks to less missles fired or something. or perhaps a slightly faster lock on time than vanilla to give it a more assaulty feel
or reward me for having an increased lock on time.

4.a sidearm? why a sidearm? a flaylock that locks? .shooting 6 missles already isnt good enough? could you elaborate more on this? I dont think they have the assets to change this.

5. Swarmer speed is more than adequate now, as they can already accelerate faster and hit even with AB/injectors (arguably negating them) engaged. Provided there is no cover of course.

Let us read from the book of NO.

Chapter NO.

Verse NO.

"And the voices concerned with keeping balanced and engaging game play looked down from on high, and thus did they sayeth: NO."

1b I can't agree with you here. Dropships currently stay quite stable during swarm impact. Stable enough to fire small rails accurately as 100+ meters back at you.

So you think that the Assault Swarms are fine?

What would YOU suggest be changed to make them viable?

A mechanical overhaul orof the swarm launchers in general.

Id rather see a breach variant do that twice the lock on time double the damage slower travel speed to make it not op. assault variant should have better lock on range to compensate for slow lock on time and maybe increase in missles but less damage per missle making them viable for multiple vehiches but still not op for lav or dropships

Increasing the impact of any AV WEAPONS will badly screw vvehicles. Period.

I have bounced dropships off of buildings (routinely) and if you shoot the nose or aft end of a dropshop mid-high-speed maneuver you can send them irreirrevocably oyt of control and force them to crash.

So allowing swarm impacts the force to flip vehicles is a bad idea.

So you finally provide reasoning as to why you don't like one of the 5 suggestions. I was beginning to believe you a troll.

I am. But the best way to troll people on the dust Forums is actually to use verifiable facts. Everyone goes insane yeyelling "nuh-uh you're a wrong poopyhead!"

Right now the assault swarm lacks a niche because swarms in general are very difficult to balance. Until th e wiki swarms are properly set up anything we do to the assault swarms is a balancing crapshoot. Could be overpowered, could be useless and the window for balance on the weapons is comparatively tiny because of the way they work.