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Indianna Pwns
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:18:00 -
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Seriously, what is the point of them?
They just seem to me like blatant SP sinks and no one uses them.
You should just be able to spec into your specialised role straight away.
Seems to me that militia suits make basic frames pretty redundant as by the time your done playing around with the militia gear you will have a good idea where you want to specialise.
BASIC FRAMES = POINTLESS SP SINKS |
Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
671
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:25:00 -
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They are starting to buff them.
More PG/CPU, lower costs and possibly two eq slots on the medium to give a progression to Logi.
Unfortunately, there is still no reason to use the higher levels. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:26:00 -
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Or, instead of amputating content from Dust, we give them a purpose...
- Reduce their ISK cost to be 75% the cost of the specialized variant (assault, logistic, scout, etc.)
- Give them a single dropsuit command bonus (e.g. Amarr medium basic gets 2% reduction to laser weapon heat build-up)
Basic dropsuits are now a cheaper, but viable, alternative to the specialized dropsuits.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Indianna Pwns
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:32:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Or, instead of amputating content from Dust, we give them a purpose...
- Reduce their ISK cost to be 75% the cost of the specialized variant (assault, logistic, scout, etc.)
- Give them a single dropsuit command bonus (e.g. Amarr medium basic gets 2% reduction to laser weapon heat build-up)
Basic dropsuits are now a cheaper, but viable, alternative to the specialized dropsuits.
I wouldn't call basic frames content, more like SP barriers to where you really want to go (assault, scout, logi etc)
Basic frames weren't in chromosome and I don't remember anyone complaining.
I feel they are in the game solely to slow down progression. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8683
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:36:00 -
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Indianna Pwns wrote:I wouldn't call basic frames content, more like SP barriers to where you really want to go (assault, scout, logi etc)
Basic frames weren't in chromosome and I don't remember anyone complaining.
I feel they are in the game solely to slow down progression. And what I am saying, is they don't have to be an SP barrier. They could be given a purpose; such as the one I outlined above. I came up with that off the top of my head, but you get the gist.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Indianna Pwns
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:44:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:I wouldn't call basic frames content, more like SP barriers to where you really want to go (assault, scout, logi etc)
Basic frames weren't in chromosome and I don't remember anyone complaining.
I feel they are in the game solely to slow down progression. And what I am saying, is they don't have to be an SP barrier. They could be given a purpose; such as the one I outlined above. I came up with that off the top of my head, but you get the gist.
I understand where your coming from, I feel like at least I should be able to bypass them.
For example if I'm enjoying playing a Min Logi and want to play Cal logi, I should be able to spec straight into Cal logi without having to waste SP on Cal basic frames that I DO NOT want.
If not remove them let me not have to waste SP on them at least. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
8683
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:50:00 -
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Indianna Pwns wrote:I understand where your coming from, I feel like at least I should be able to bypass them.
For example if I'm enjoying playing a Min Logi and want to play Cal logi, I should be able to spec straight into Cal logi without having to waste SP on Cal basic frames that I DO NOT want.
If not remove them let me not have to waste SP on them at least. What about if CCP made all of the dropsuit sizes unlock with Amarr [Size] Basic Frames I instead of III? Less SP invested that way.
I'm trying to compromise here, because if I know Rattati like I think I do, he will be completely against removing the need for them altogether.
4 out of 5 dentists agree that orange is not a sound.
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Indianna Pwns
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2015.03.23 13:54:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Indianna Pwns wrote:I understand where your coming from, I feel like at least I should be able to bypass them.
For example if I'm enjoying playing a Min Logi and want to play Cal logi, I should be able to spec straight into Cal logi without having to waste SP on Cal basic frames that I DO NOT want.
If not remove them let me not have to waste SP on them at least. What about if CCP made all of the dropsuit sizes unlock with Amarr [Size] Basic Frames I instead of III? Less SP invested that way. I'm trying to compromise here, because if I know Rattati like I think I do, he will be completely against removing the need for them altogether.
That would be a good solution as is it makes them less of an SP sink without the need to remove them entirely.
I'd like to know Rattati's thoughts on this. |
DIX RFOR CHICKS
T.U.R.D. R.O.C.K.
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Posted - 2015.03.23 14:03:00 -
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Basic frames are great. I proto'd the min. Med basic frame for them mad hopz. It has a 5/2 slot layout. I also use the min. Basic heavy frame for forgegun use in pubs. It's faster with a 2/2 layout |
LUGMOS
Corrosive Synergy
Rise Of Legion.
2950
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:39:00 -
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Type II for anyone who remembers. I wish they were more that way.
Plasma Cannon :3
Anti-FoTM Prof. V
Forum Scavenger Prof. V
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7th Son 7
BLITZKRIEG7
606
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:48:00 -
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Basic Frames are like shopping at Wal-Mart , eww
Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
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VAHZZ
1005
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:13:00 -
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You're just a basic b|tch, in a basic world.
BRUH.
Closed Beta Vet
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1855
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:27:00 -
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I got no qualms with amarr basic frames.
Medium gets 2/2 layout instead of 1/3 at basic. It also alleviates the taboo that only laser weaponry can be used on amarr assault. The proto has 3/4 and is 20k cheaper.
Heavy has 2/3 slot layout at proto. Good for AV. Or if you like old school....you can make a fun little type II heavy. It has 2 high slots at ADV, which the Sentinel can never achieve.
I haven't used the light basic frame much but I am sure I can find a use for a cheap mobile platform.
Crush them
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2581
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Posted - 2015.03.23 17:00:00 -
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The basic frames are a huge opportunity for the game, we just haven't capitalized on that opportunity yet.
We only need a couple of things:
First, basic frame skills should also apply to specialist frames. That way sp invested are not 'lost' when a player moves up to the specialist frames, the game gains a bit more immersion and training higher levels of basic frame become a good decision instead of an unfortunate mistake.
Second, basic frame skills should be fairly mild but also meaningful - they should be level-based buffs to role & racial characteristics. The basic skills should be both module-based and global. This allows us to take a look at current specialist suit bonuses and move the most generic frame/role-based buffs to the basic frames:
- Light frames would receive a flat +.75%/lvl buff to movement/stamina/biotics along with a fitting buff on biotic modules.
- Medium frames would receive a flat +.75%/lvl buff to shield regen/armor repair rate along with a fitting buff on recharge/repair modules.
- Heavy frames would receive a flat +.75%/lvl buff to shield & armor hp along with a fitting buff on hp modules.
Do something similar for racial bonuses:
- The indomitable Minmatar get more biotics bonus.
- The Caldari get a shield hp bonus
- The Gallente get an armor rep bonus
- The Ammar get an armor hp bonus
These are just crude ideas to flesh out an example. The important thing is that levels trained in basic frames would also apply to specialist frames by default and that the basic frame buffs would be the most obvious bread-and-butter skills for the role/race. This will allow us to make the specialists frames more interesting and further differentiate the races.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1861
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Posted - 2015.03.23 18:06:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:Basic Frames are like shopping at Wal-Mart , eww
Go there after 9pm. It's a god damn freak show. I seen a female cashier with a full beard and a mole popping out with its own full beard.
Crush them
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Boot Booter
Titans of Phoenix
1214
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Posted - 2015.03.23 18:13:00 -
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The funny thing is they only reduced the cost of them at proto. I made a thread about it but no one seemed to care. That being said I got my min medium basic frame for the 5/2 layout like some else said. However I'd like to use the ADV frame for AV fits but there is no point cause it's the same price as the assault.
There definitely should be a point to basic frames, it's moderately vetted after echo but still needs much love. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1861
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Posted - 2015.03.23 18:22:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:The funny thing is they only reduced the cost of them at proto. I made a thread about it but no one seemed to care. That being said I got my min medium basic frame for the 5/2 layout like some else said. However I'd like to use the ADV frame for AV fits but there is no point cause it's the same price as the assault.
There definitely should be a point to basic frames, it's moderately vetted after echo but still needs much love.
The slot layouts being different is a good start. There should be bonuses. Class bonuses, non racial. Allow some freedom in the basic frames. Keep the racial frames as they are. Geared toward specialisation.
Crush them
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