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H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 523	Posted - 2015.03.14 15:54:00 - [1] - Quote I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? manboar thunder tears fun. Alt of The KTM(FOTM) DuKe. No 16 ringers have ever beaten 16 D1CKS
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 751	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:00:00 - [2] - Quote Why not buff gunloggi? Why is every thread about weakening the game? You look like a blueberry
Sir Dukey G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1925	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:03:00 - [3] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? That would only further the gap between Gunnlogi and Madrugar. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 403	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:03:00 - [4] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Why not buff gunloggi? Why is every thread about weakening the game? Yeah. And shield boosters are a must for the gunny, or else you get rekt. Molestia approved
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 523	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:06:00 - [5] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Why not buff gunloggi? Why is every thread about weakening the game? 1) i m a tanker. If you consider what i said you can see that i wrote to bring back 180 mm armour plates, the fact is that passive reps are OP vs nowadays railgun and missles, as a madrugar can quite rep through railgun shots while a gunlogi without hardner is dead meat manboar thunder tears fun. Alt of The KTM(FOTM) DuKe. No 16 ringers have ever beaten 16 D1CKS
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 523	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:08:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? That would only further the gap between Gunnlogi and Madrugar. How active reps can get an advantage to madrugar Also decreasing his hardner bonus? manboar thunder tears fun. Alt of The KTM(FOTM) DuKe. No 16 ringers have ever beaten 16 D1CKS
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1418	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:09:00 - [7] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? Shield tank - long range artillery, cant be used in cqc compared armor. Rly worked as intended. Rare case... Please support fair play!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3604	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote I think Gunnies are just spoiled from being the uncontested kings of literally everything, and need to get used to changing their tactics. Blaster Gunnies are hot garbage against other HAVs, just as Missile Maddies are, I'm fine with that. Missile Gunnies and Blaster Maddies still wreck face when used correctly, so I don't see gunnies losing out here, the last few days I've been running small tank platoons with my corp and the missile gunnies have been performing admirably still. Rail gunnies though die in CQC now, due to no longer being bullet-proof terminators. This kinda makes me happy, not gonna lie, they are still a royal PITA at range, and have enough high slots that if they range-snipe with both a D-mod and a cooling mod, they absolutely wreck face. Maddies, as I drive them primarily, I'm still figuring out how I feel about them. AV still keeps them in check and kills them, but at the lower skill levels (using basic rails and no damage mods or cooling mods) they can barely kill each other if using rails. At least in my experience. Also a pair of low level blaster maddies is like watching a cripple fight... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 403	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:29:00 - [9] - Quote John Psi wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? Shield tank - long range artillery, cant be used in cqc compared armor. Rly worked as intended. Rare case... Long range artillery? Haha, we don't have anything like that for AI. Large missiles, have no splash damage. railguns...well, very low AI capability. Molestia approved
Tread Loudly 2 Ametat Security Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:42:00 - [10] - Quote My overall suggestions at this moment is to bring the Gunlogi up to par with the Madrugar fitting wise, and then bring them up or down together not one or the other... As nerfing tends to be completely making something unusable at the moment. I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 752	Posted - 2015.03.14 16:52:00 - [11] - Quote Tread Loudly 2 wrote: My overall suggestions at this moment is to bring the Gunlogi up to par with the Madrugar fitting wise, and then bring them up or down together not one or the other... As nerfing tends to be completely making something unusable at the moment. Adjust A/V in the same manner. After we have an idea what the new tanks are capable of. You look like a blueberry
Tread Loudly 2 Ametat Security Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2015.03.14 17:02:00 - [12] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Tread Loudly 2 wrote: My overall suggestions at this moment is to bring the Gunlogi up to par with the Madrugar fitting wise, and then bring them up or down together not one or the other... As nerfing tends to be completely making something unusable at the moment. Adjust A/V in the same manner. After we have an idea what the new tanks are capable of. Maybe but we'll have to see I think AV has already gotten a bit better with the addition of the "Halo Jumping". I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4425	Posted - 2015.03.14 17:35:00 - [13] - Quote I think the issue we keep getting is that we are trying to make things equal when they clearly shouldn't be. Tanks, turrets, suits, light/heavy weapons and sidearms should have a glaring weakness and amazing strong point. You should be able to make up for these weaknesses with mods or play to its strengths using the same mods, or of course, find a balance between the two. Every suit, vehicle and weapon is starting to blend and become the same. All should be viable, but some should be better in one situation then others. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Heimdallr69 Negative-Feedback. 4905	Posted - 2015.03.14 17:44:00 - [14] - Quote Railgun is a joke now.. If anything tanks need a buff across the board.. They can cost up to nearly 10x the amount of a proto minmando but if you go to far out you'll die, if you use a hardner you can't shoot(issues happend to me constantly and is why I refuse to go back into tanks) Also I think the blaster clip nerf was unnecessary. Tanks still have a lot of tweaks to be made before nerfing one or the other. I'm glad they're back now, atleast it's got more variety to the game Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. 4210	Posted - 2015.03.14 17:55:00 - [15] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? You mean uprising standard? Rattati wants the 2/5 for amarr HAVs. Active reps i would like but for it to really work we would need alot more HP at base and plates and i don't see it happening. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 CCP Rattati - "One giant vehicle nerf with more power to AV", you have got to be kidding...''
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3065	Posted - 2015.03.14 18:00:00 - [16] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? Glory days when tanks were actually strong, and battles came down to who was better, rather than who saw who first. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 523	Posted - 2015.03.14 18:19:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? Glory days when tanks were actually strong, and battles came down to who was better, rather than who saw who first. This and also who call more tanks in. Be a solo tanker is quite impossible, be a 6 man squad spawning tanks is quite OP manboar thunder tears fun. Alt of The KTM(FOTM) DuKe. No 16 ringers have ever beaten 16 D1CKS
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 523	Posted - 2015.03.14 18:20:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? You mean uprising standard? Rattati wants the 2/5 for amarr HAVs. Active reps i would like but for it to really work we would need alot more HP at base and plates and i don't see it happening. Disclaimer: The above post is respectful, contains no ranting, contains no personal attacks, contains no trolling, contains no racism, contains no discrimination, contains no profanity, contains no spamming. This post is an opinion and is related to DUST514 Ok but every suit except sentinel has the same layout for ama/gal manboar thunder tears fun. Alt of The KTM(FOTM) DuKe. No 16 ringers have ever beaten 16 D1CKS
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3065	Posted - 2015.03.14 18:54:00 - [19] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: be a 6 man squad spawning tanks is quite OP Sandbox Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2015.03.14 18:56:00 - [20] - Quote H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: I ve heard a lot of players sayng gunlogi is now unplayable or madrugar is better than it. My solution is switch madrugar to 2/5 slot layout, bring back active reps and 180mm plates, maybe decreasing armour hardner bonus to 35%. What do you think about this? You mean uprising standard? Rattati wants the 2/5 for amarr HAVs. Active reps i would like but for it to really work we would need alot more HP at base and plates and i don't see it happening. Ok but every suit except sentinel has the same layout for ama/gal From what i've heard, Amarr would be 2/5 and Minmatar would be 4/3. Redundant Usernames FTW Neigh! Incubi RULE! Pythons suck. 30% Logi, 30% Tanker, 40% Pilot

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 403	Posted - 2015.03.14 19:11:00 - [21] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: be a 6 man squad spawning tanks is quite OP Sandbox Just like how a whole squad or 2 of infantry is op, they are unkillable, like in ambush when they pull they crap. So of course numbers would be op. Molestia approved
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 3066	Posted - 2015.03.14 21:12:00 - [22] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: H0riz0n Unlimit wrote: be a 6 man squad spawning tanks is quite OP Sandbox Just like how a whole squad or 2 of infantry is op, they are unkillable, like in ambush when they pull they crap. So of course numbers would be op. Nothing stopping a team from having 8 sentinels defending an objective in domination, 4 logis supporting them and 4 scouts running around being pains in the rear. Nothing should stop a team from running 6 or 7 tanks. It's sandbox, and anybody saying anything contrary is pushing double standards to the extreme. Nope. Confirming that pilot input is not, and never was, valued. - Breakin Stuff
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Inc. Negative-Feedback 3809	Posted - 2015.03.14 22:15:00 - [23] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Why not buff gunloggi? Why is every thread about weakening the game? I would agree....Gunnlogis are in the **** now. I wouldn't ask for a maddy nerf....but to buff gunnlogis or shield mods, etc Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Grimmiers 817	Posted - 2015.03.14 23:13:00 - [24] - Quote I saw a tank with 6k shields rolling around in a city which I thought would be a easy kill for the team, but he survived the whole battle. I would like to see the passive shield regen modules come back that boost base repair per tick. active and passive modules really need a capacitor feature so they can both have a place among tank fits. Passive mods would lower max cap while active would drain like eve. This would make remote repairs and logi's repping vehicles more handy as well. I'd also like to see some hull mods that make tanks turn faster and passively increase speed. We probably can't add a capacitor mechanic to vehicles anytime soon, but I'd be fine with having passive mods increase cooldown times and having multiple active mods decrease duration of modules. Passive mods would include armor plates/extenders and this change could make light and heavy armor repairers differ.
Tread Loudly 2 Ametat Security Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2015.03.14 23:22:00 - [25] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Why not buff gunloggi? Why is every thread about weakening the game? I would agree....Gunnlogis are in the **** now. I wouldn't ask for a maddy nerf....but to buff gunnlogis or shield mods, etc I would just say reduce the pg/cpu of their tanking modules back down to pre-echo or maybe in between where they are now and pre-echo... There really wasn't a need for that large of a nerf to them... Now on the other side of things I'd say leave the maddie alone until both tanks are in line with eachother... Then go from there and decide what's next... I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.


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