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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:22:00 -
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Anytime I mention on the forums the need to increase ISK payouts a lot of people flip **** about it and I don't understand why seeing how an increase in ISK payout will benefit everyone.
Then I got to thinking that maybe these people bitching are protostompers who don't want people to be able to afford the prototype gear because it would make the game more difficult for the protostompers.
Any thoughts on this, people?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5346
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:24:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Anytime I mention on the forums the need to increase ISK payouts a lot of people flip **** about it and I don't understand why seeing how an increase in ISK payout will benefit everyone.
Then I got to thinking that maybe these people bitching are protostompers who don't want people to be able to afford the prototype gear because it would make the game more difficult for the protostompers.
Any thoughts on this, people?
Protostompers would love an increase in ISK payout, it would make it easier for proto stomping to be lucrative.
People are against an increase in ISK payout because they don't want it to be easier for people to proto stomp by making proto stomping more affordable.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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Ghost Kaisar
Negative-Feedback
10521
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:26:00 -
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Listen, nothing makes me happier than seeing another proto squad on the other side.
We go crazy, clone eachother, have a great match, and get HUGE payout at the end (Max I've gotten from a pub is 1 Mil ISK)
Please, increase it. If more people run proto, these happen more often, and the payouts will be even BIGGER.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
245
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Anytime I mention on the forums the need to increase ISK payouts a lot of people flip **** about it and I don't understand why seeing how an increase in ISK payout will benefit everyone.
Then I got to thinking that maybe these people bitching are protostompers who don't want people to be able to afford the prototype gear because it would make the game more difficult for the protostompers.
Any thoughts on this, people?
Protostompers would love an increase in ISK payout, it would make it easier for proto stomping to be lucrative. People are against an increase in ISK payout because they don't want it to be easier for people to proto stomp by making proto stomping more affordable. EDIT: I mean, you yourself want a bigger ISK payout so you can run Proto in pubs more often. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2667913#post2667913
What I want is an increase in ISK so that if I only die 1 or 2 times in a match and I come in first place on my team (or second place because a lot of times a logi takes the top spot) I can be compensated for my loss and rewarded for my efforts.
Also, I would like for more people on my team to be able to run proto gear especially during a protostomp. Protostomps right now are usually horrible but they can be a lot more fun if more people had proto gear to use in those situations. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Back and Forth
7394
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:35:00 -
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i fear this game turning into a twitch shooter more than anything else. and damn is it getting close.
CBM
EVE, Dust & Corp Services
Buying Dead & Inactive Corps
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Union118
Heaven's Lost Property
440
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:40:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Anytime I mention on the forums the need to increase ISK payouts a lot of people flip **** about it and I don't understand why seeing how an increase in ISK payout will benefit everyone.
Then I got to thinking that maybe these people bitching are protostompers who don't want people to be able to afford the prototype gear because it would make the game more difficult for the protostompers.
Any thoughts on this, people?
I been B!TCH!NG for isk increase like forever and yea protostompers are scared so now we have meta lvl lockout cuz match making is so poor its pointless to play a match you know your going to loose.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Assert Dominance
Negative-Feedback
995
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:44:00 -
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*sips coffee* more isk or nah, the proto stomp continues...
6 man proto squad errday.
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Powerh8er
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
692
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:44:00 -
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The pub matches would probably be more bananas. Instead we have a majority of guys running around in cheap and ****** gear.
Have you got anymore exploding carrots?
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VAHZZ
859
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:45:00 -
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Frak that, I$K payout is already big. Increase SP payout dam it
The supreme art of war, is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
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Pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
1768
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Posted - 2015.03.12 00:51:00 -
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If you cant go positive running proto you do not deserve do run it. I keep healing players using proto once a week because they cant afford it. All I can say is "Git gud!"
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5347
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:11:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:What I want is an increase in ISK so that if I only die 1 or 2 times in a match and I come in first place on my team (or second place because a lot of times a logi takes the top spot) I can be compensated for my loss and rewarded for my efforts.
Also, I would like for more people on my team to be able to run proto gear especially during a protostomp. Protostomps right now are usually horrible but they can be a lot more fun if more people had proto gear to use in those situations.
And as I've explained to you, ISK payouts are heavily dependent upon what the other side is using. This is in a way designed to encourage you to fight the enemy with the approptiate amount of force. If the other team is using nothing but standard gear, your payout is going to be poor because you are not destroying a lot of ISK. Therefor you should be using inexpensive gear to remain ISK positive.
If the enemy team is using a lot of proto, killing them will give you a larger payout, so using proto gear will be more sustainable.
You are not entitled to use proto gear in every single match, regardless of how well you do, and remain profitable. If the other team is using a lot of proto gear, you can indeed remain ISK positive. However if you stomp the hell out of people running cheap gear with your proto gear, don't expect to remain positive. Use the amount of force needed to beat the other team, excessive use of force will likely end in you going ISK negative.
This is why KDR should not even be a listed stat, and instead "ISK Lost" and "ISK Destroyed" should be the primary stats displayed in the EOM screen.
And to be honest, what's the most fun for me is 1-shotting guys who feel the need to run proto in pubs with my Militia Plasma Cannon. I can die a hundred times in that suit and still spend less than the guy I killed.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
335
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:28:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Listen, nothing makes me happier than seeing another proto squad on the other side.
We go crazy, clone eachother, have a great match, and get HUGE payout at the end (Max I've gotten from a pub is 1 Mil ISK)
Please, increase it. If more people run proto, these happen more often, and the payouts will be even BIGGER. Yeessss
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1847
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Posted - 2015.03.12 01:55:00 -
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Pokey you bring up some valid points and one of two things will happen , either A : The payouts are increased and now not only do you have the rich get richer ... hence more proto at their whim & more often , reaction : more proto stomping because you will never be ale to match their bank so while your able to field proto now , now the enemy or those who you talk about OP , can now field proto at a 5 to 1 advantage where before it might have been 2 to 1 , hell it might be 8 to 2 and not 5 to 1 , so while it's easier for the OP and others , it also becomes easier for those whom the OP is mentioning .
B : The OP becomes the proto stomper even if he's solo like he has claimed , he still now finds it easier to do what he now claims he can't , he doesn't realize it because now he's just fielding proto in hopes of seeing pro on the field and in preparations to counter said pro but he might not face any that match but now he's in response mode and while doing so wreaks and finds it easier to kill and not be killed ( so is said but is not true in all instances ) so now it becomes a habit that's not even noticed .
Most of us understand the outcome and like they payout glitch from earlier in the season where people were happy but complaining at the same time , the same thing will occur once again and you will realize that you just can't change people , they will do what they want and like and that's one of the greatest parts of the game but at the same time it's what a lot of players just don't like or get , the fact that you have such freedoms . I like it that way because it's cause and effect .
Now because it's easier to field it doesn't mean it will stop and at the same time you just made it more easier for the one's that you had a problem with in the first place .
Cause and effect .
I don't care , raise it ... I stay broke ( I run solo for the most part ) but at the same time I use mostly ADV fits so maybe now I can start to build my bank like the big boys / girls , I liked the payout glitch but at the same time ... more people fielded PRO and more frequently so if that's what you want OP you might be opening up a bigger can of worms then you can handle .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Summa Militum
Hidd3n Dragon
245
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:24:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:*sips coffee* more isk or nah, the proto stomp continues...
Let the protostomping continue. I have no problem with protostomping. What I do have a problem with is when no one on my team is able to whip out protogear during a protostomp because they can not afford it. |
Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
6231
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Anytime I mention on the forums the need to increase ISK payouts a lot of people flip **** about it and I don't understand why seeing how an increase in ISK payout will benefit everyone.
Then I got to thinking that maybe these people bitching are protostompers who don't want people to be able to afford the prototype gear because it would make the game more difficult for the protostompers.
Any thoughts on this, people?
Protostompers would love an increase in ISK payout, it would make it easier for proto stomping to be lucrative. People are against an increase in ISK payout because they don't want it to be easier for people to proto stomp by making proto stomping more affordable. EDIT: I mean, you yourself want a bigger ISK payout so you can run Proto in pubs more often. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2667913#post2667913
Proto isn't going to be affordable to most if they doubled payouts.
ADV gear however would provide a much needed boost to many window lickers. |
Vicious Minotaur
2131
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:33:00 -
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Only not intellectually incompetent people don't not support increased ISK payout.
I am a minotaur.
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Thor Odinson42
Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback
6231
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:35:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Pokey you bring up some valid points and one of two things will happen , either A : The payouts are increased and now not only do you have the rich get richer ... hence more proto at their whim & more often , reaction : more proto stomping because you will never be ale to match their bank so while your able to field proto now , now the enemy or those who you talk about OP , can now field proto at a 5 to 1 advantage where before it might have been 2 to 1 , hell it might be 8 to 2 and not 5 to 1 , so while it's easier for the OP and others , it also becomes easier for those whom the OP is mentioning .
B : The OP becomes the proto stomper even if he's solo like he has claimed , he still now finds it easier to do what he now claims he can't , he doesn't realize it because now he's just fielding proto in hopes of seeing pro on the field and in preparations to counter said pro but he might not face any that match but now he's in response mode and while doing so wreaks and finds it easier to kill and not be killed ( so is said but is not true in all instances ) so now it becomes a habit that's not even noticed .
Most of us understand the outcome and like they payout glitch from earlier in the season where people were happy but complaining at the same time , the same thing will occur once again and you will realize that you just can't change people , they will do what they want and like and that's one of the greatest parts of the game but at the same time it's what a lot of players just don't like or get , the fact that you have such freedoms . I like it that way because it's cause and effect .
Now because it's easier to field it doesn't mean it will stop and at the same time you just made it more easier for the one's that you had a problem with in the first place .
Cause and effect .
I don't care , raise it ... I stay broke ( I run solo for the most part ) but at the same time I use mostly ADV fits so maybe now I can start to build my bank like the big boys / girls , I liked the payout glitch but at the same time ... more people fielded PRO and more frequently so if that's what you want OP you might be opening up a bigger can of worms then you can handle .
The people that proto stomp the hardest are rich and continue to get wealthier.
The only people being effected by the low payouts are the poor to above average players, the other 95%. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5354
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Posted - 2015.03.12 02:55:00 -
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The thing is that payouts have been increasing, thought not directly. Salvage for example can be sold for additional ISK, or used as 'free' gear.
Increase ISK payouts? Sure, but by no means should Prototype be sustainable in pub matches unless you're running near perfect games.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
www.biomassed.net
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
412
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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:15:00 -
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Alright first of all if you lose more than four full proto loadouts in a pub, your're losing money. Second of all, we might as well get it.I honeslty don't think it would hurt anything. The people who run proto in pubs are rich from doing PC, therefore they can afford it. ISK really isn't a very big issue when you're constantly in PC. If this gives the regular crowd the option to run proto. Maybe they'll use it more and still *****? Who knows, I say we give it a whirl
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3487
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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:20:00 -
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Protostomper here. I've long been running proto suits and I've also long been a proponent of increased ISK payouts.
Because at the end of the day, the more people running proto, the better the fights -- and I'm all about good fights....provided I win, of course. :)
So I could not disagree more with the premise of this thread. |
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
371
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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:26:00 -
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smh, everyone here is a moron
What role does the shotgun have in team play? NONE. Remove it.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5366
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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:48:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:smh, everyone here is a moron Well you're here too so...
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast
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xavier zor
0uter.Heaven
809
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Posted - 2015.03.12 04:28:00 -
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keep ISK payout as it is
if you want to run proto gear 24/7, 3 choices;
git gud, run proto and don't die
join a PC corporation, make money playing PC
run BPO suits for 2 matches, use proto for 1 match
retired
stabbed musturd, duna, radar, tibs
replying -í° -£-û -í°
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2599
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Posted - 2015.03.12 05:40:00 -
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The NPE is bad enough already. More proto on the field would mess it up even more. We need less proto on the field...
So, sure increase payouts, but only if you increase Proto costs by an equal %.
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