DUST Search - Making basic frames worth the SP

Bright Steel wrote:

Colossus of Sardia wrote:

Bright Steel wrote:

There's a conversation going on in the barbershop that's going like his:

Ares 514 wrote:

Another idea ... I'm sure something like it has already been suggested:

Basic Med Frame
* -1 to 2 Slot
* +1 EQ
* 50% Isk Discount

Basic Heavy Frame
* -1 Slot
* +1 EQ
* 50% Isk Discount

Basic Light Frame
* +1 to 2 Slot
* -1 EQ
* 50% Isk Discount

+1 EQ for Assault might appeal to Assault users who don't like their current racial bonuses. EQ on a Heavy could certainly come in handy. Scouts were assigned a 2nd EQ slot to fit cloak, but they can't fit cloak until they specialize; so why not drop the specialization slot, and add a utility slot or two?

Adipem Nothi wrote:

This is a bad idea. Equipment on a heavy?! Prefer them left eith none.

Bright steel wrote:

Basic heavies could be much faster breaching the gap between assault and heavy(adjust hp and slots accordingly)

Basic med could get plus one equipment and a solid portion of CPU/PG for said equiptment breaching the gap between logi and assault (now you have your slayer logi)

Basic light could lose 1 equiptment to gain a slot or two to breach he gap between scout and assault.

I use my minmatar heavy frame quite often since it's faster than the minmatar sentinel (well with less armor in return). Sadly even though it's an adv suit I can't fit mutch on it since the damn dual kincats are taking away a lot of pg :/

Are there any plans to change the light/medium/heavy frames in the future?

They are increasing the pg and cpu

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Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1027	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:37:00 - [1] - Quote There's a conversation going on in the barbershop that's going like his: Ares 514 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Another idea ... I'm sure something like it has already been suggested: Basic Med Frame * -1 to 2 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Heavy Frame * -1 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Light Frame * +1 to 2 Slot * -1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount +1 EQ for Assault might appeal to Assault users who don't like their current racial bonuses. EQ on a Heavy could certainly come in handy. Scouts were assigned a 2nd EQ slot to fit cloak, but they can't fit cloak until they specialize; so why not drop the specialization slot, and add a utility slot or two? This is a bad idea. Equipment on a heavy?! Prefer them left eith none. Basic heavies could be much faster breaching the gap between assault and heavy(adjust hp and slots accordingly) Basic med could get plus one equipment and a solid portion of CPU/PG for said equiptment breaching the gap between logi and assault (now you have your slayer logi) Basic light could lose 1 equiptment to gain a slot or two to breach he gap between scout and assault. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1027	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote Posted it here to hopefully get some of the newer players that might only visit GD to chime in. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Thor Odinson42 Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 6190	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:38:00 - [3] - Quote Basic frames are just simply an intelligence test.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1027	Posted - 2015.03.07 23:41:00 - [4] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Basic frames are just simply an intelligence test. But the rat man seems interested in making them more then that. Echo will see their CPU/PG increased and was hoping to see this as the start of something great for the basic frames Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Colossus of Sardia Mithril Forge E-R-A 20	Posted - 2015.03.08 00:11:00 - [5] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: There's a conversation going on in the barbershop that's going like his: Ares 514 wrote: Another idea ... I'm sure something like it has already been suggested: Basic Med Frame * -1 to 2 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Heavy Frame * -1 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Light Frame * +1 to 2 Slot * -1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount +1 EQ for Assault might appeal to Assault users who don't like their current racial bonuses. EQ on a Heavy could certainly come in handy. Scouts were assigned a 2nd EQ slot to fit cloak, but they can't fit cloak until they specialize; so why not drop the specialization slot, and add a utility slot or two? Adipem Nothi wrote: This is a bad idea. Equipment on a heavy?! Prefer them left eith none. Bright steel wrote: Basic heavies could be much faster breaching the gap between assault and heavy(adjust hp and slots accordingly) Basic med could get plus one equipment and a solid portion of CPU/PG for said equiptment breaching the gap between logi and assault (now you have your slayer logi) Basic light could lose 1 equiptment to gain a slot or two to breach he gap between scout and assault. I use my minmatar heavy frame quite often since it's faster than the minmatar sentinel (well with less armor in return). Sadly even though it's an adv suit I can't fit mutch on it since the damn dual kincats are taking away a lot of pg :/ Are there any plans to change the light/medium/heavy frames in the future?
DIX RFOR CHICKS T.U.R.D. R.O.C.K. 46	Posted - 2015.03.08 00:14:00 - [6] - Quote Colossus of Sardia wrote: Bright Steel wrote: There's a conversation going on in the barbershop that's going like his: Ares 514 wrote: Another idea ... I'm sure something like it has already been suggested: Basic Med Frame * -1 to 2 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Heavy Frame * -1 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Light Frame * +1 to 2 Slot * -1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount +1 EQ for Assault might appeal to Assault users who don't like their current racial bonuses. EQ on a Heavy could certainly come in handy. Scouts were assigned a 2nd EQ slot to fit cloak, but they can't fit cloak until they specialize; so why not drop the specialization slot, and add a utility slot or two? Adipem Nothi wrote: This is a bad idea. Equipment on a heavy?! Prefer them left eith none. Bright steel wrote: Basic heavies could be much faster breaching the gap between assault and heavy(adjust hp and slots accordingly) Basic med could get plus one equipment and a solid portion of CPU/PG for said equiptment breaching the gap between logi and assault (now you have your slayer logi) Basic light could lose 1 equiptment to gain a slot or two to breach he gap between scout and assault. I use my minmatar heavy frame quite often since it's faster than the minmatar sentinel (well with less armor in return). Sadly even though it's an adv suit I can't fit mutch on it since the damn dual kincats are taking away a lot of pg :/ Are there any plans to change the light/medium/heavy frames in the future? I use the same Frame for forging. Basic moved faster,,,plus it was cheaper and still got the same job done.
Capt Jack 5parr0w DUST University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2015.03.08 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote I'd be cool with something like this. I've only seriously specced into Gal Assault, but I do run a basic light frame for uplinks, and planned to leave the skill at 1 for, well, as long as it takes me to fully skill into the assault role. As it stands now, I've no need for the extra EQ slot since I can't fit a cloak on the suit anyway. I'm barely getting by on CPU/PG as it is. The second EQ slot is a wasted slot for the purpose I use the suit for, and I wouldn't mind an extra high or low to add some tank or more speed or whatever. As for the other suits, I'd love to have a streamlined path towards their respective roles. I'm simply not going to bother with heavy suits for quite some time, because the SP required to specialize is precious SP that I could devote toward my current role. Need a spot logi for some quick reps on the fly? Reds are pushing A hard and we could use a fatty on the letter for extra point defense? I'd much rather dust off a basic frame to fit X situation than simply shrug my shoulders and ignore it, simply because I haven't accumulated huge amounts of SP. And since I'm envisioning this adjustment as giving basic frames "on the fly" capabilities, the drawback seems fair: no bonuses. Sure, I can jump in with a basic frame and dish out some reps, but that'll hardly pass as a viable replacement for a dedicated logi with better equipment and suit/racial bonuses. And who knows? Maybe I'm having a blast in a basic heavy frame, and now I have an incentive to grind hard towards that sentinel role that, right now, seems so out of reach. Granted, this all comes from a guy who just hit the 10 million SP mark, all of it almost entirely dedicated to the assault role, with little experience elsewhere. Also from a guy who mostly plays with UNI bros in squads that could use a bit of diversity on the battlefield.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge VP Gaming Alliance 1028	Posted - 2015.03.08 03:42:00 - [8] - Quote Colossus of Sardia wrote: Bright Steel wrote: There's a conversation going on in the barbershop that's going like his: Ares 514 wrote: Another idea ... I'm sure something like it has already been suggested: Basic Med Frame * -1 to 2 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Heavy Frame * -1 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Light Frame * +1 to 2 Slot * -1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount +1 EQ for Assault might appeal to Assault users who don't like their current racial bonuses. EQ on a Heavy could certainly come in handy. Scouts were assigned a 2nd EQ slot to fit cloak, but they can't fit cloak until they specialize; so why not drop the specialization slot, and add a utility slot or two? Adipem Nothi wrote: This is a bad idea. Equipment on a heavy?! Prefer them left eith none. Bright steel wrote: Basic heavies could be much faster breaching the gap between assault and heavy(adjust hp and slots accordingly) Basic med could get plus one equipment and a solid portion of CPU/PG for said equiptment breaching the gap between logi and assault (now you have your slayer logi) Basic light could lose 1 equiptment to gain a slot or two to breach he gap between scout and assault. I use my minmatar heavy frame quite often since it's faster than the minmatar sentinel (well with less armor in return). Sadly even though it's an adv suit I can't fit mutch on it since the damn dual kincats are taking away a lot of pg :/ Are there any plans to change the light/medium/heavy frames in the future? They are increasing the pg and cpu Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Colossus of Sardia Mithril Forge E-R-A 20	Posted - 2015.03.08 08:12:00 - [9] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Colossus of Sardia wrote: Bright Steel wrote: There's a conversation going on in the barbershop that's going like his: Ares 514 wrote: Another idea ... I'm sure something like it has already been suggested: Basic Med Frame * -1 to 2 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Heavy Frame * -1 Slot * +1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount Basic Light Frame * +1 to 2 Slot * -1 EQ * 50% Isk Discount +1 EQ for Assault might appeal to Assault users who don't like their current racial bonuses. EQ on a Heavy could certainly come in handy. Scouts were assigned a 2nd EQ slot to fit cloak, but they can't fit cloak until they specialize; so why not drop the specialization slot, and add a utility slot or two? Adipem Nothi wrote: This is a bad idea. Equipment on a heavy?! Prefer them left eith none. Bright steel wrote: Basic heavies could be much faster breaching the gap between assault and heavy(adjust hp and slots accordingly) Basic med could get plus one equipment and a solid portion of CPU/PG for said equiptment breaching the gap between logi and assault (now you have your slayer logi) Basic light could lose 1 equiptment to gain a slot or two to breach he gap between scout and assault. I use my minmatar heavy frame quite often since it's faster than the minmatar sentinel (well with less armor in return). Sadly even though it's an adv suit I can't fit mutch on it since the damn dual kincats are taking away a lot of pg :/ Are there any plans to change the light/medium/heavy frames in the future? They are increasing the pg and cpu Nice any numbers out yet (or is there a specific thread about the changes?)
DRT 99 Commando Perkone Caldari State 206	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:28:00 - [10] - Quote yes there are (pretty precise) numbers in the hotfix echo narrative thread - check the spreadsheet ratatti posted. ONLY basic medium frames are up right now, no idea if others will be later, but notable changesso far include increased PG / CPU and 2 equipment across the board. also for those that use starter fits, those are being made borderline useful. Medic now has repper and injector Anti Armor has 2 variants - swarm launcher and plasma cannon, each variant gets a nanohive assaults get uplinks (I LOVE THIS!) Sniper is removed and replaced with a 'recon' fit. I think i saw some shotguns and nova knives in the fits so maybe scout suits? i know they are mostly fit with biotics though.



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