DUST Search - Why does it seem that so many people hate nova knives?

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Proto Annihilator wrote:

Izlare Lenix wrote:

Draxus Prime wrote:

probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second

As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone.

Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m.

If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target.

Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance.

Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving.

If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire.

So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end.

All that so you can feel special. A real merc would just use his primary and move on to the next target.

Actually, I do it for the challenge. Using my lightweapons or hmg all the time is too easy and gets boring, especially against noobs in militia gear.

Burst hmg can kill noobs in half a second, my assault suits and light weapons can kill them in a second. Most of these suits have tons of hp and can kill up to 90m away.

Using my 300hp, 2.5m range minja is just harder and thus more fun.

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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 469	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:35:00 - [1] - Quote I really don't understand. Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
Draxus Prime T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 4300	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:37:00 - [2] - Quote probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 497	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:39:00 - [3] - Quote I hate the 1 to 1 k/d most knivers have. "Ho ho I got a kill. Respawning at the cru"
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 979	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:41:00 - [4] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. I do not hate them, i just dont likem lag in this game. Implemented dash/thrust in NK attack can make 2+metres long cheese kill. I dont hate weapon itself, i just dont like crappy lag compenzation. I bet i CCP get rid of that 1metre dash most of haters will be completely fine with NKs for sure ;j "Sebiestor Hetzer"
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood 1553	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:42:00 - [5] - Quote Because they have the situational awareness of a blind owl? "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" *Vermaak 88:* Still an obscure reference Still not whole.
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 979	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:44:00 - [6] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Because they have the situational awareness of a blind owl? I do not thing so, yesterday i took down scout who blink three metres and kill one. And when i tell blink i mean blink, not cloak or run/jump. He basicaly charge and phase three metres. "Sebiestor Hetzer"
diablo gamekeeper T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:48:00 - [7] - Quote i don't like how easy it is to use them now. Back in my day (lol) it took skill to use them.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7725	Posted - 2015.03.01 16:56:00 - [8] - Quote I don't really see the hate. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
BLOOD Ruler Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1083	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:11:00 - [9] - Quote Because when you try to have a nice knife fight,the guy pulls out a gun. Feel The Burning Pain Of My Knives While Your Skull And Mind Is Wrecked By My Pistol. I am the Assassin.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 3092	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:15:00 - [10] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. Does someone need a hug? KDR matchmaking fixes everything but the stupid purple Quafe stuff.

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8128	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:16:00 - [11] - Quote Some people think they shouldn't ever be killed, especially if they have lots of HP, they think they should be invincible and should have no counter. We are their counter. And it definitely hasn't gotten easier, so anyone saying otherwise is lying. The only easy targets are solo stationary targets, and really they are just asking for it. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 743	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:28:00 - [12] - Quote I rarely die from Nova Knifes. Some players say that if you charge your Nova Knives the enemy player can't hear it. THAT IS A LIE. Way to many times I've heard a red dot charge his or her Nova Knives that I react in less than a second and Boom Red dot is dead x_x Then I get hate mail for cheating and I'm like lol Try next time. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1353	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:30:00 - [13] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone. Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m. If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target. Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance. Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving. If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire. So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
Nocturnal Soul 5583	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:30:00 - [14] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: I hate the 1 to 1 k/d mentality most knivers have. "Ho ho I got a kill. Respawning at the cru" I've fallen I'll to that so many times....buuut totally worth it. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 501	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:32:00 - [15] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: I hate the 1 to 1 k/d mentality most knivers have. "Ho ho I got a kill. Respawning at the cru" I've fallen I'll to that so many times....buuut totally worth it. Not if you are already down on clones.
Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 501	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:35:00 - [16] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone. Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m. If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target. Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance. Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving. If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire. So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end. All that so you can feel special. A real merc would just use his primary and move on to the next target.
GreasedUpDeafGuy-420 Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:35:00 - [17] - Quote Range + Aim adhesion was a bad move by SeeSeaPee One of them made sense, both was just too much of a buff
Draxus Prime T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 4301	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:38:00 - [18] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone. Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m. If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target. Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance. Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving. If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire. So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end. Still it's a lot of damage in less then a second I have level 5 minmatar scout and level 5 proficency and the only class of suits I can't one shot are heavy frames (except commandos) "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 561	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:41:00 - [19] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. I honestly think it's less about Knova Knives and more about Scouts and Heavys. Scouts and Heavys get the hate probably cause their scrub friendly. Even if a person is not very good at Dust, if you put them in a Scout or Heavy suit they will still probably end up with a 1.0 kdr. Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1353	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:43:00 - [20] - Quote Proto Annihilator wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone. Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m. If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target. Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance. Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving. If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire. So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end. All that so you can feel special. A real merc would just use his primary and move on to the next target. Actually, I do it for the challenge. Using my lightweapons or hmg all the time is too easy and gets boring, especially against noobs in militia gear. Burst hmg can kill noobs in half a second, my assault suits and light weapons can kill them in a second. Most of these suits have tons of hp and can kill up to 90m away. Using my 300hp, 2.5m range minja is just harder and thus more fun. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 502	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:46:00 - [21] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Proto Annihilator wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone. Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m. If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target. Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance. Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving. If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire. So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end. All that so you can feel special. A real merc would just use his primary and move on to the next target. Actually, I do it for the challenge. Using my lightweapons or hmg all the time is too easy and gets boring, especially against noobs in militia gear. Burst hmg can kill noobs in half a second, my assault suits and light weapons can kill them in a second. Most of these suits have tons of hp and can kill up to 90m away. Using my 300hp, 2.5m range minja is just harder and thus more fun. I feel you. I do something like that but it involves templar gear.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 474	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:49:00 - [22] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. Does someone need a hug? Yes, please . Lol Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
TritusX PH4NT0M5 378	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:53:00 - [23] - Quote I don't see the hate either. I am seeing more and more ACR and IshNok knifers out there these days than SGers. Which makes me feel unspecial because I was one of the few in a match that ran it That scout you see on the kill board with 20 kills and 15 deaths
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 8133	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:57:00 - [24] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. I honestly think it's less about Knova Knives and more about Scouts and Heavys. Scouts and Heavys get the hate probably cause their scrub friendly. Even if a person is not very good at Dust, if you put them in a Scout or Heavy suit they will still probably end up with a 1.0 kdr. Have you played lately? Scouts are no longer over performing and have had a great many nerfs leveled against them. In fact many times Assaults can out scout Scouts now. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game RUST415 474	Posted - 2015.03.01 17:59:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. I honestly think it's less about Knova Knives and more about Scouts and Heavys. Scouts and Heavys get the hate probably cause their scrub friendly. Even if a person is not very good at Dust, if you put them in a Scout or Heavy suit they will still probably end up with a 1.0 kdr. Have you played lately? Scouts are no longer over performing and have had a great many nerfs leveled against them. In fact many times Assaults can out scout Scouts now. I miss my scans :( Caldari Loyalist Why should infrantry that don't own vehicles, that can't balance their own mechanics, balance vehicles
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 745	Posted - 2015.03.01 18:35:00 - [26] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: probably angry we can do so much damage in less then a second As a nova knife user I hate how people think it only takes a second to kill someone. Let's look at an example. Pretend that you are running around in your min scout and you see an enemy at 30m. If there is no cover to sneak around you have to wait till they look away from you if you want to succeed in killing them. If you approach head on that is often just a free kill for your target. Once you have waited for them to look away from you it takes roughly 3 seconds for a dual cat min to close the distance. And this is only is they aren't moving. If the target is moving away from you it will take even longer to close the distance. Once you get into range it takes another second to decloak, roughly 1 second to jump and charge knives, then another second to land directly behind the enemy, and charge swipe the target. This is about six seconds total plus the unknown amount of time you waited for the target to become vulnerable and the increased time to close the distance if the target is moving. If I was using a ScR, CR, RR, AR, HMG, or even any other sidearm. That same target would be dead in less than two seconds since all you'd have to do is aim and fire. So on average I'd say knives take at least three times longer (often more) to kill a target than most weapons when you consider the total time it took not just the one second, high alpha swipe that happens at the end. Still it's a lot of damage in less then a second I have level 5 minmatar scout and level 5 proficency and the only class of suits I can't one shot are heavy frames (except commandos) I don't go heavy much but I've been killed by Nova Knives when I'm heavy and boom One swipe = I'm dead with 1200 damage. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 561	Posted - 2015.03.01 18:42:00 - [27] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: 7th Son 7 wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: I really don't understand. I honestly think it's less about Knova Knives and more about Scouts and Heavys. Scouts and Heavys get the hate probably cause their scrub friendly. Even if a person is not very good at Dust, if you put them in a Scout or Heavy suit they will still probably end up with a 1.0 kdr. Have you played lately? Scouts are no longer over performing and have had a great many nerfs leveled against them. In fact many times Assaults can out scout Scouts now. Of course I still play, and yes I do still see scouts tearin **** up, don't believe me? next time your not on a wide open map, use the malitia scout minmatar. He's a beast :) Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Louis Domi Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 883	Posted - 2015.03.01 18:45:00 - [28] - Quote Got 1st on my team Went 28/7 this morning on a cal scout with proto knives and a b-smg. Most of my kills being from knives. 1st place on enemy team was a Min scout NK user. Maybe people hate that NK users are just generally better? Really I killed like 3 shotty scouts that game... 4 deaths were because I tea bagged the enemy so much that their team mates found me and killed me.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3357	Posted - 2015.03.01 18:45:00 - [29] - Quote No hate here. Anyone who gets close enough to kill me with knives and not die themselves deserves the kill.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 618	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:00:00 - [30] - Quote NK users are try-hards who are basically useless. I only ever get killed by them when I concentrate, for example while sniping at medium range, trying to push back redliners or having my AV out to ambush a tank. Which is ******* annoying, because you hear that sound and then you are dead and there is no way in hell that you'd have the EWAR equipment to pick up a dedicated NK scout. During normal play, they are pathetically weak and a bit silly, as melee in Dust is generally very clumsy. Basically, Nova Knifers are the infantry equivalent of JLAVs, except that they don't have awesome explosions and don't trade beneficially. I might like NKs more if the weapon made an explosion effect instead of the annoying charge-and-swipe sound on the back of my neck. It's like suddenly noticing that you leaned your head onto a bee, which is now taking angry flight.

Proto Annihilator 16 Vandals 508	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:05:00 - [31] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: NK users are try-hards who are basically useless. I only ever get killed by them when I concentrate, for example while sniping at medium range, trying to push back redliners or having my AV out to ambush a tank. Which is ******* annoying, because you hear that sound and then you are dead and there is no way in hell that you'd have the EWAR equipment to pick up a dedicated NK scout. During normal play, they are pathetically weak and a bit silly, as melee in Dust is generally very clumsy. Basically, Nova Knifers are the infantry equivalent of JLAVs, except that they don't have awesome explosions and don't trade beneficially. I might like NKs more if the weapon made an explosion effect instead of the annoying charge-and-swipe sound on the back of my neck. It's like suddenly noticing that you leaned your head onto a bee, which is now taking angry flight. Amarr knives would make that fried egg sound of the laser. Or some other pants pooping sound.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17383	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:38:00 - [32] - Quote If I am killed by a Nova Knife is because I wasn't doing my job right. Never lost a tank to Nova Knives and never will! Though I'll admit I'd let you guys kill me if I got to see a swarm of 6-8 scounts rush my HAV jumping more often than they need to. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."


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