DUST Search - Gal FW vs Cal FW = :(

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

This is a phenomenon that interests me greatly, but has yet to be convincingly explained to meGÇª

As part of my curiosity, I once used "New Eden" decepto-style motivation, and posed as a Caldari in Cal FW matches for a while. What I found was DISTRESSING. Cal FW matches are the only FWs where I see blue players shooting at each other in the safe staging area, Muchausen Medics serial-killing you in order to stick you with the nanite-pen for revive-wp, and I even saw one blue parking his own Lav next to our RDV area, so he could shoot at each vehicle his blue teammates called in. Shocked

I couldn't understand why Cal FW teams seemed MORE full of misfits and miscreants than the other racial teams I ever joined. It's just odd.

Theories I've read, but can't decide if they make sense or not Straight

Caldari FW has been infiltrated by Gallente and Min sympathizer-players, and the Cald players never picked up on using that gimmick against other races and corps as mush as we are doing to theirs...

Idea

When we were all novices, reading the descriptions of which "race" we could choose for our characters, only the 'Money-over-Idealism' players chose to be CaldariGÇª and when it comes to fighting HARD for something, money-minded people can't fight nearly as well as ideal-minded peopleGÇª

Idea

Because "finances" are the core of the Caldari, its players get demoralized by ISK loss RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the battleGÇª while the Amar/Minmatar/Gallente players don't realize their wallet-damage until AFTER they've finished the fight and gone back to their living quartersGÇª

Idea

The 'star destroyer' angular design of Caldari stuff attracts more Star Wars fans than the other RacesGÇª and Star Wars fans keep imagining "Luke versus the Stormtroopers" fair fights, instead of the developing any of the dirt-in-your-face tactics that are needed to survive a Dust fightGÇª

GÇªI don't know what the explanation is. But, the Caldari FW players out thereGÇª. boy, they have problems.

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JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 720	Posted - 2015.02.22 00:21:00 - [1] - Quote Today I finally got a chance to play FW and sadly I just hate it when Gal FW just stomps Cal FW. What I do is let the reds kill me :) 3 blues were trying to counter hack C and I threw a RE and immedietly they all jumped and paniced xD = omg hahahaahha Nobody died but its funny how quick they respond and I'll be doing this from now on so I can test how fast you are at when reacting to certain situations. If you see me in FW then Tea bag me lol and kill me in the funniest way to meele and to even the ammo box thing xD MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2198	Posted - 2015.02.22 00:46:00 - [2] - Quote Cal would have a chance if they just tried. They've been raped hard for too long Who wants some?
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 999	Posted - 2015.02.22 01:00:00 - [3] - Quote Cal has always been outmatched by Gal. I don't really know why. Are the FW rewards that much better in Gal? Maybe, but I don't think so... I don't really mind tho for a few reasons - FW shouldn't have to be balanced. It's a more competitive game mode, and if it's supposed to represent part of an ongoing war in a persistent universe, then one side or the other should be allowed to 'win' or be 'perpetually winning'. - I like causing upsets. I like rolling in a good Q and killing Gal players who are used to playing on easy mode. Who cares what some sniper has to say. CCP, let's push for the license of Dust/Legion on both current Gen consoles!
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 720	Posted - 2015.02.22 01:03:00 - [4] - Quote If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2200	Posted - 2015.02.22 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote It should be disabled for academy players. Who wants some?
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7578	Posted - 2015.02.22 01:17:00 - [6] - Quote Gallente all day everyday. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
General Bong Ripper Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.02.22 01:58:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Gallente all day everyday. It is an easy way to improve your k/d and w/l ratio.
Soul Cairn Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 52	Posted - 2015.02.22 02:19:00 - [8] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: It should be disabled for academy players. This would solve so many issues. Don't be fooled, I'm Caldari Vehicular Specialist I need to play more often...
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 421	Posted - 2015.02.22 03:51:00 - [9] - Quote This is a phenomenon that interests me greatly, but has yet to be convincingly explained to meGÇª As part of my curiosity, I once used "New Eden" decepto-style motivation, and posed as a Caldari in Cal FW matches for a while. What I found was DISTRESSING. Cal FW matches are the only FWs where I see blue players shooting at each other in the safe staging area, Muchausen Medics serial-killing you in order to stick you with the nanite-pen for revive-wp, and I even saw one blue parking his own Lav next to our RDV area, so he could shoot at each vehicle his blue teammates called in. I couldn't understand why Cal FW teams seemed MORE full of misfits and miscreants than the other racial teams I ever joined. It's just odd. Theories I've read, but can't decide if they make sense or not: Caldari FW has been infiltrated by Gallente and Min sympathizer-players, and the Cald players never picked up on using that gimmick against other races and corps as mush as we are doing to theirs... When we were all novices, reading the descriptions of which "race" we could choose for our characters, only the 'Money-over-Idealism' players chose to be CaldariGÇª and when it comes to fighting HARD for something, money-minded people can't fight nearly as well as ideal-minded peopleGÇª Because "finances" are the core of the Caldari, its players get demoralized by ISK loss RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the battleGÇª while the Amar/Minmatar/Gallente players don't realize their wallet-damage until AFTER they've finished the fight and gone back to their living quartersGÇª The 'star destroyer' angular design of Caldari stuff attracts more Star Wars fans than the other RacesGÇª and Star Wars fans keep imagining "Luke versus the Stormtroopers" fair fights, instead of the developing any of the dirt-in-your-face tactics that are needed to survive a Dust fightGÇª GÇªI don't know what the explanation is. But, the Caldari FW players out thereGÇª. boy, they have problems. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2211	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:08:00 - [10] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: This is a phenomenon that interests me greatly, but has yet to be convincingly explained to meGÇª As part of my curiosity, I once used "New Eden" decepto-style motivation, and posed as a Caldari in Cal FW matches for a while. What I found was DISTRESSING. Cal FW matches are the only FWs where I see blue players shooting at each other in the safe staging area, Muchausen Medics serial-killing you in order to stick you with the nanite-pen for revive-wp, and I even saw one blue parking his own Lav next to our RDV area, so he could shoot at each vehicle his blue teammates called in. I couldn't understand why Cal FW teams seemed MORE full of misfits and miscreants than the other racial teams I ever joined. It's just odd. Theories I've read, but can't decide if they make sense or not: Caldari FW has been infiltrated by Gallente and Min sympathizer-players, and the Cald players never picked up on using that gimmick against other races and corps as mush as we are doing to theirs... When we were all novices, reading the descriptions of which "race" we could choose for our characters, only the 'Money-over-Idealism' players chose to be CaldariGÇª and when it comes to fighting HARD for something, money-minded people can't fight nearly as well as ideal-minded peopleGÇª Because "finances" are the core of the Caldari, its players get demoralized by ISK loss RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the battleGÇª while the Amar/Minmatar/Gallente players don't realize their wallet-damage until AFTER they've finished the fight and gone back to their living quartersGÇª The 'star destroyer' angular design of Caldari stuff attracts more Star Wars fans than the other RacesGÇª and Star Wars fans keep imagining "Luke versus the Stormtroopers" fair fights, instead of the developing any of the dirt-in-your-face tactics that are needed to survive a Dust fightGÇª GÇªI don't know what the explanation is. But, the Caldari FW players out thereGÇª. boy, they have problems. My theory is when a blueb has nothing selected for faction they are put in in alphabetical order. That's why blueberries are rampant in amarr and caldari Who wants some?

iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 712	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:10:00 - [11] - Quote meh.... i retired from z platoon, so i don't know the state of affairs regarding cfw. I imagine my boys are still winning but thats only one match every 20-30m, and assuming they are 10 ongoing matches at anytime that puts gal at a 1/10 chance of getting ROFLstomped. so yeah gal vs. cal fw = :( edit: i asked archduke to post my # of wins and # of losses playing cfw (to shut down these threads) but he said he couldn't :( (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 538	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:12:00 - [12] - Quote Rail rifles blow, anti-shield weapons kill armor suits faster then the dedicated anti-armor weapon, shield suits blow and will continue to suck horribly till we get some way of possibly repairing them (Doubt that will happen ever). Use shield suits for hit and run they say well since all the objectives are indoors or next to a maze of 50 cargo containers with no purpose other then to be a work hazard kind of hard to pull that one off. Seriously who keeps putting these cargo containers around everything, I mean what if someone needs something from the one box in the middle you can't get there with a fork lift and theres no crane anywhere nearby. And who put the bunkers facing the thing they are supposed to be defending? You want bunkers to be facing away from the thing you are supposed to defend so you can actually defend it. Seriously someone needs to call up the guy they contracted to build them and have a nice discussion with them. The State will always survive.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6320	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:17:00 - [13] - Quote Everytime I try to join in, I get the 00:00 timer :(
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 712	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:22:00 - [14] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Everytime I try to join in, I get the 00:00 timer :( thats because they haven't been enough matches to establish a average wait time (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9645	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:23:00 - [15] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. Because top tier corps want easy mode as much as possible. *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 2211	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:24:00 - [16] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. Because top tier corps want easy mode as much as possible. But they are competitive. Lol Who wants some?
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 712	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:26:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. Because top tier corps want easy mode as much as possible. hit the nail on the head, that and lp gear is limited per faction and isk cost not allowing for a complete lp lifestyle (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 538	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:29:00 - [18] - Quote The closest thing to a warehouse in this game is the Caldari Production Facility and even then for some theres a stinking train! We've got nearly 6km long transport ships and the best the second (maybe now third with the Drifters) most technologically advanced empire in EVE can do is build trains to move boxes? Its either boxes scattered all over the place for no reason or a warehouse surrounded by trains. Thousands of years into the future and theres still freaking trains! The State will always survive.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 721	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:30:00 - [19] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. Because top tier corps want easy mode as much as possible. It was a pain in beep to shoot you >.<... that python was guiding you huh. No wonder you knew where I was going. Gg :) MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 713	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:34:00 - [20] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. Because top tier corps want easy mode as much as possible. It was a pain in beep to shoot you >.<... that python was guiding you huh. No wonder you knew where I was going. Gg :) because that match was so memorable for kirk (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9647	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:37:00 - [21] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: If FW is supposed to be competitive how come the corps qq on pubs and avoid FW. For me FW is the really challenge but in pubs its just nope. Because top tier corps want easy mode as much as possible. hit the nail on the head, that and lp gear is limited per faction and isk cost not allowing for a complete lp lifestyle LP Missions in EVE give you both ISK and LP and then doing activities like killing enemies of your Faction and supportive actions for you factions can gain you LP as well. I don't see why our FW couldn't have a similar thing. If it were my way you could get your LP through several ways: 1. Winning gains you a flat out LP and ISK amount depending on your level. Loosing does as well but considerably less. 2. LP gains through items destroyed and level of the player .The higher Faction Ranked the player, the more LP you get off of him when you kill him. 3. Supportive actions like repairing, scanning, assist, et cetera will give you more LP based off of commision of those actions. So roughly putting it, WP will have a direct impact on LP gain regardless if you win or lose. 4.Allow infrastructure support for the Federal Marine's warbarge by giving them your Warbarge Components. In return you will get LP for doing so. The reward should be increased as the player progresses in Factional Rank. Also, more Salvage, a lot more salvage is needed. *As long as 4/5 (80%) of infantry AV weapons are Anti Armor based you're never going to achieve vehicle balance CCP*
iKILLu osborne T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 714	Posted - 2015.02.22 04:52:00 - [22] - Quote holy crap your telling me they have a perfect system for it in eve yet they're not using it for dust O_o and donating components would be an ingeniuos way for the "3 kids" guy to see better payouts, (but it would create disparity between donating to corp or donating to faction). though i would like to be able to buy lp gear from alliance faction to create complete lp fits.(at an increased cost of lp of course) (n`-´)+Æ;;; shotgun blast yo ASs
Aqua-Regia 696	Posted - 2015.02.22 07:33:00 - [23] - Quote If you're in a Cal suit and play like a Cal in FW(engaging an enemy from a far away distance in cover or high roof top with a long rang weapon and not cqc in a obj or running toward red dot) you are playing like a real Cal and should feel proud of yourself even if you lose because that's how a cal playing style should be, so the CQC Gal can F them self even if they win. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGòôNo Longer a Collector Gòû Gòó *S00NGäó*GòPGò¼GòºGò¬GòñGò¬GòºGòºGòñPS2Gò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGòíHELLO GAMEGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust514GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúQ-GamesGòáGòòGòÆGòúRNDGòáGòò
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy RISE of LEGION 2273	Posted - 2015.02.22 07:40:00 - [24] - Quote Remember the Ion Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V


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