DUST Search - The way to fix cloaks

Banjo Robertson wrote:

This is simple, elegant, and should be considered, I'm lookin at you CCP Rattatai.

#1, increase the profile dampening bonus on the cloaks, while changing the cloak scanning penalty, make them similar, the penalty at each tier should be twice as much as the bonus you get to your profile dampening

if the cloak field is distorting the players own scanning abilities so much that they cant really see anything with it on, then it should also dampen the player almost as much that they are unable to be scanned.

#2, make the standard, advanced, and proto cloaks give different bonus/penalty percentages, make the time each cloak is able to be active the same, make the time to recharge the same, balance the cpu/pg of all cloaks based on these new numbers.

I would suggest a 40% penalty/ 20% bonus for standard cloaks
a 60% penalty/ 30% bonus to advanced cloaks
and 80% penalty/ 40% bonus for the prototype cloaks

cloak duration 60 seconds with cloak recharge time of 30 seconds for all 3 tiers of cloaks

I feel like this would make all tiers of cloaks useful to veteran players, being able to choose how much scanning they want to give up for the benefit of dampening, and it also helps out players who havent skills all the wan into cloaks yet.

It also loosens up fittings a bit, you could use dampening mods to gain extra profile reduction and only use a standard cloak. You could not use damps and try to rely on the proto cloak, or maybe some mix with the advanced cloak.

Standardizing the activation time, IMO, is like standardizing the ammo clip or max ammo on a weapon, I think it should be a statistic inherant to the cloak itself and not something that should change with tier, this way it doesnt feel like you're being penalized for using a level 1 cloak, it just means you are gaining less dampening, but now also losing less scanning.

Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson

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Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 436	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:25:00 - [1] - Quote This is simple, elegant, and should be considered, I'm lookin at you CCP Rattatai. #1, increase the profile dampening bonus on the cloaks, while changing the cloak scanning penalty, make them similar, the penalty at each tier should be twice as much as the bonus you get to your profile dampening if the cloak field is distorting the players own scanning abilities so much that they cant really see anything with it on, then it should also dampen the player almost as much that they are unable to be scanned. #2, make the standard, advanced, and proto cloaks give different bonus/penalty percentages, make the time each cloak is able to be active the same, make the time to recharge the same, balance the cpu/pg of all cloaks based on these new numbers. I would suggest a 40% penalty/ 20% bonus for standard cloaks a 60% penalty/ 30% bonus to advanced cloaks and 80% penalty/ 40% bonus for the prototype cloaks cloak duration 60 seconds with cloak recharge time of 30 seconds for all 3 tiers of cloaks I feel like this would make all tiers of cloaks useful to veteran players, being able to choose how much scanning they want to give up for the benefit of dampening, and it also helps out players who havent skills all the wan into cloaks yet. It also loosens up fittings a bit, you could use dampening mods to gain extra profile reduction and only use a standard cloak. You could not use damps and try to rely on the proto cloak, or maybe some mix with the advanced cloak. Standardizing the activation time, IMO, is like standardizing the ammo clip or max ammo on a weapon, I think it should be a statistic inherant to the cloak itself and not something that should change with tier, this way it doesnt feel like you're being penalized for using a level 1 cloak, it just means you are gaining less dampening, but now also losing less scanning.
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 436	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:31:00 - [2] - Quote Idea #2 Make the scanning penalty equal to the cloak bonus Make it a 10% bonus/penalty at standard cloak 20 % bonus/penalty for advanced 30% bonus/penalty for prototype
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 956	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:36:00 - [3] - Quote The STD Cloak takes too much PG/CPU for it to not have any dampening bonus, plus the penalty all cloaks get AND it has sh!t duration. Changes to Damage mods!
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4380	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:18:00 - [4] - Quote I think the reason they were nerfed so hard was just because there was no way to balance cloaks without patching the game and changing the overall mechanics of them. Now that it seems CCP(RatTitties) has more control over the actual game, I think these changes can make cloaks useful again without making them OP. you can really tell that the original cloaks were relics of the OLD CCP and didn't fit with the game at the time. they fell just as out of place now, but only because the hammer swung too far the other way(not to mention that passive scanning was changed a lot since then) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1106	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:26:00 - [5] - Quote An interesting idea. I think there are other issues to resolve as well but your changes seem to make sense. Overlord of Broman
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4381	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:11:00 - [6] - Quote I hope this gets noticed. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7676	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:32:00 - [7] - Quote Not like we can use our passive scans right now anyway.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 490	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:39:00 - [8] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: This is simple, elegant, and should be considered, I'm lookin at you CCP Rattatai. #1, increase the profile dampening bonus on the cloaks, while changing the cloak scanning penalty, make them similar, the penalty at each tier should be twice as much as the bonus you get to your profile dampening if the cloak field is distorting the players own scanning abilities so much that they cant really see anything with it on, then it should also dampen the player almost as much that they are unable to be scanned. #2, make the standard, advanced, and proto cloaks give different bonus/penalty percentages, make the time each cloak is able to be active the same, make the time to recharge the same, balance the cpu/pg of all cloaks based on these new numbers. I would suggest a 40% penalty/ 20% bonus for standard cloaks a 60% penalty/ 30% bonus to advanced cloaks and 80% penalty/ 40% bonus for the prototype cloaks cloak duration 60 seconds with cloak recharge time of 30 seconds for all 3 tiers of cloaks I feel like this would make all tiers of cloaks useful to veteran players, being able to choose how much scanning they want to give up for the benefit of dampening, and it also helps out players who havent skills all the wan into cloaks yet. It also loosens up fittings a bit, you could use dampening mods to gain extra profile reduction and only use a standard cloak. You could not use damps and try to rely on the proto cloak, or maybe some mix with the advanced cloak. Standardizing the activation time, IMO, is like standardizing the ammo clip or max ammo on a weapon, I think it should be a statistic inherant to the cloak itself and not something that should change with tier, this way it doesnt feel like you're being penalized for using a level 1 cloak, it just means you are gaining less dampening, but now also losing less scanning. How about NO, you little OP ******** don't need anymore help! Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6096	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:44:00 - [9] - Quote I could get behind the same charge times and the scan range penalty changes, but that's as far as I go. dB doesn't need to be buffed on cloaks. Cloaks are visual dampeners, while the modules are for the TacNet. There should be a strict line on what these two tools do.
Banjo Robertson Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 449	Posted - 2015.02.09 20:43:00 - [10] - Quote Well we at least half agree then. If the cloak field is blocking lightwaves of the visual frequency from escaping (invisivility effect), and blocking radiowaves of the enemies from going into it (scan penalty), then it would also block radiowaves from escaping as well (lowering profile)

The Eristic Dust 90210 791	Posted - 2015.02.09 20:47:00 - [11] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: The STD Cloak takes too much PG/CPU for it to not have any dampening bonus, plus the penalty all cloaks get AND it has sh!t duration. Costs too much isk for a basic piece of equipment, too. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.


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