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Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 96	Posted - 2015.01.29 13:50:00 - [1] - Quote So, with this new WarBarge damage boost, this is lowering the Time to Kill. Thought the ScR destroyed shields fast enough. I also thought the CR destroyed armor fast enough already. Jeezus, is this on purpose? I hope TTK is not getting lowered... Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7179	Posted - 2015.01.29 13:52:00 - [2] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I hope TTK is not getting lowered... TTK is going to go down. That's unavoidable with everyone boasting a 5% damage increase after Warlords 1.0. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 312	Posted - 2015.01.29 14:15:00 - [3] - Quote They should make it so it only applies in PC (and maybe FW) ADS Ramming Revenge! Should Have Stayed Inside (the Tank)
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1216	Posted - 2015.01.29 14:24:00 - [4] - Quote An extra 5% damage will be almost unnoticeable most of the time especially with the weapons that already kill super fast. It will probably shorten TTK by less than .1 seconds for most weapons and since average human reaction time is .25 - .3 seconds most people will not be able to tell the difference. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1994	Posted - 2015.01.29 14:45:00 - [5] - Quote 5% damage bonus which isnt affected by dminishing returns. SCR gets 6,9% more damage against shields out of it. or in short, it gets more effective the more damage you can actually stack from damage mods, weapon skill or weapon profiles cause everything is calculated multiplicative.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 828	Posted - 2015.01.29 14:48:00 - [6] - Quote its 5% boost with no stacking penalty, plus 3% more for anyone rocking the new experimental weapons. you can start with 8% (or 18% if using a commando) then you add damage mods to that. so yea... TTK can go to hell
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6161	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:12:00 - [7] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: They should make it so it only applies in PC (and maybe FW) Come on ... Here, newbro, have a warbarge. Invest your time and Isk, and see your home base grow! Oh the benefits, so glorious! * Benefits only apply if you stick around long enough to catch up and compete with guys with 100M SP headstart on you. Good luck, sport. Have fun! Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5831	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:25:00 - [8] - Quote It's only 5%. How bad can it be?
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1587	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:29:00 - [9] - Quote the solution to this is to nerf all the weps by %5 damage, get er done ccp.... AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1948	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:51:00 - [10] - Quote Assuming this damage applies just like a damage mod this will be a buff for the weapons with 20/20 and 15/15 damage profiles. inb4 another ScR nerf thanks to warbarges.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10916	Posted - 2015.01.29 15:52:00 - [11] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: An extra 5% damage will be almost unnoticeable most of the time especially with the weapons that already kill super fast. Like the Ishukone Nova Knives that can kill a heavy with a single charged attack. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 814	Posted - 2015.01.29 16:02:00 - [12] - Quote TTK will go to the crapper. Nerf all weapons again. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk #We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1217	Posted - 2015.01.29 16:04:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: An extra 5% damage will be almost unnoticeable most of the time especially with the weapons that already kill super fast. Like the Ishukone Nova Knives that can kill a heavy with a single charged attack. To be fair that hmg heavy can kill a scout faster than the scout can charge his knives. Not to mention the time it takes too close the distance to attack the heavy. The only real truth in history is that it was bloody.
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1264	Posted - 2015.01.29 16:24:00 - [14] - Quote Lowering the TTK even more is a terrible idea, on par with Wolfman's vehicle rework and subsequent HAV 514. The more this game heads towards the CoD in Space route, the less and less I want to play. During 1.4, 1.5, and the better part of 1.6 I had no desire to play the instablap game and didn't even bother to log in for months. Since most of these warbarge components are for newer players, why not make the damage bonus only affect players with under 20 million SP? Give them a slight boost to be able to compete with Protostompers with prof V neck beards. Or at the very least, code it as a damage mod, and give every damage mod you add a stacking penalty. We got rid of the Weaponry skill for a reason, and now it's back. Albeit slightly less, the newer damage profiles make it similar. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 2032	Posted - 2015.01.29 18:00:00 - [15] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: An extra 5% damage will be almost unnoticeable most of the time especially with the weapons that already kill super fast. It will probably shorten TTK by less than .1 seconds for most weapons and since average human reaction time is .25 - .3 seconds most people will not be able to tell the difference. Except throw a 5% damage mod on it and you're at 10% and then use one of the experimental weapons and you're at 13% (20% for FG, MD, PLC, & SL) and then put on a commando suit and and you're at 23% (30% for MD, PLC, & SL). There's going to be mass drivers all over the fcking place cause the experimental will be able to reach +10% S / +65% A. That's a splash damage of 175.45 against shields and 263.17 against armor; direct hit damage of 363 against shields and 544.5 against armor. Why does everyone ignore the point? [RYJC]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10919	Posted - 2015.01.29 18:03:00 - [16] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: An extra 5% damage will be almost unnoticeable most of the time especially with the weapons that already kill super fast. Like the Ishukone Nova Knives that can kill a heavy with a single charged attack. To be fair that hmg heavy can kill a scout faster than the scout can charge his knives. Not to mention the time it takes too close the distance to attack the heavy. Um... assuming the scout is dumb enough to be spotted by the HMG user and his pals. Although, to be honest, I do occasionally see lonely heavies roaming in the open fields. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14758	Posted - 2015.01.29 18:05:00 - [17] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: An extra 5% damage will be almost unnoticeable most of the time especially with the weapons that already kill super fast. It will probably shorten TTK by less than .1 seconds for most weapons and since average human reaction time is .25 - .3 seconds most people will not be able to tell the difference. ...You have no idea. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 3294	Posted - 2015.01.29 18:22:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It's only 5%. How bad can it be? Heheh.... You guys have been playing a CCP game to long to think that 5% means nothing... Specially a 5 % without diminishing returns.. CCP's entire games as in DUST and EVE are based off 5% increases... It will make a difference. the math gets out of hand quick.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9368	Posted - 2015.01.29 19:09:00 - [19] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It's only 5%. How bad can it be? Tell that to the Jove *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name!* *~Democracy will win!*
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 1339	Posted - 2015.01.29 19:48:00 - [20] - Quote Warlords opens up a whole ******* mess of balancing issues....

Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 439	Posted - 2015.01.29 20:07:00 - [21] - Quote Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Hawkings Greenback Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 283	Posted - 2015.01.29 23:29:00 - [22] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Tell you what, roll a fresh toon when Warlords drops and tell me how that goes for you!!! But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream
TritusX PH4NT0M5 170	Posted - 2015.01.29 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Ever play COD? Ever see those OP SMG's everyone uses that go BRR dead BRR dead BRR dead BRR dead? Imagine DUST with twice or triple the map size and everyone had guns going BRR dead and whoever sees the enemy first wins? And you have to spawn and run all the way across the map just to do that again? Believe in RUST Don't hate the DUST lol
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 212	Posted - 2015.01.29 23:42:00 - [24] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Tell you what, roll a fresh toon when Warlords drops and tell me how that goes for you!!! Things are not meant to go good when you start a fresh toon and that's why grinding SP is a necessity you idiot. No one would still play that game if it wasn't that way. On subject: I dont think that a 5% damage increase will change much. As some said before, it'll be almost unnoticeable. You can try it right now, just put a 5% damage mod on your weapon an tell me if you honestly feel the difference. Now, why people complains about ScR? ALL weapons will deal 5% more damages on your shield AND armor. Why all this ScR QQ? Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 212	Posted - 2015.01.29 23:44:00 - [25] - Quote TritusX wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Ever play COD? Ever see those OP SMG's everyone uses that go BRR dead BRR dead BRR dead BRR dead? Imagine DUST with twice or triple the map size and everyone had guns going BRR dead and whoever sees the enemy first wins? And you have to spawn and run all the way across the map just to do that again? This is battlefield you're talking about ^^ Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 100	Posted - 2015.01.29 23:48:00 - [26] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Tell you what, roll a fresh toon when Warlords drops and tell me how that goes for you!!! Things are not meant to go good when you start a fresh toon and that's why grinding SP is a necessity you idiot. No one would still play that game if it wasn't that way. On subject: I dont think that a 5% damage increase will change much. As some said before, it'll be almost unnoticeable. You can try it right now, just put a 5% damage mod on your weapon an tell me if you honestly feel the difference. Now, why people complains about ScR? ALL weapons will deal 5% more damages on your shield AND armor. Why all this ScR QQ? I personally do not know where the ScR QQ is coming from. I am a ScR user, been using the ScR since 1.4; however, my concern is the 5% damage boost. 1 damage mod does make a difference when you know how to aim or judge damage correctly. I would rather this 5% damage buff apply to damage mods to promote the greater use of them. As someone already did the math up above, this damage boost can be abused very easily if done correctly. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Sequal's Back Intara Direct Action Caldari State 212	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:02:00 - [27] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: I personally do not know where the ScR QQ is coming from. I am a ScR user, been using the ScR since 1.4; however, my concern is the 5% damage boost. 1 damage mod does make a difference when you know how to aim or judge damage correctly. I would rather this 5% damage buff apply to damage mods to promote the greater use of them. As someone already did the math up above, this damage boost can be abused very easily if done correctly. The way he described it is a very extreme and rare one. He wrote something like 175 splash damage for the experimental MD on a proto minMando. Now take out 5% and you have something like 167. Does that really make a difference? I dont think so. It CAN make a difference don't get me wrong, but not a very noticeable one compare to what we have now. Let's wait and see, I'm not really scared about this honestly. Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 2033	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:30:00 - [28] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: Starlight Burner wrote: I personally do not know where the ScR QQ is coming from. I am a ScR user, been using the ScR since 1.4; however, my concern is the 5% damage boost. 1 damage mod does make a difference when you know how to aim or judge damage correctly. I would rather this 5% damage buff apply to damage mods to promote the greater use of them. As someone already did the math up above, this damage boost can be abused very easily if done correctly. The way he described it is a very extreme and rare one. He wrote something like 175 splash damage for the experimental MD on a proto minMando. Now take out 5% and you have something like 167. Does that really make a difference? I dont think so. It CAN make a difference don't get me wrong, but not a very noticeable one compare to what we have now. Let's wait and see, I'm not really scared about this honestly. I also factored in prof 5 for the armor damage. The point however was it all adds up, that's New Eden's schtick. All these little percentages pile up and eventually become quite big (which to be fair I always forget the way CCP deals with combining percentages so my math is likely a little off). Why does everyone ignore the point? [RYJC]
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 316	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:38:00 - [29] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: They should make it so it only applies in PC (and maybe FW) Come on ... Here, newbro, have a warbarge. Invest your time and Isk, and see your home base grow! Oh the benefits, so glorious! * Benefits only apply if you can catch up to the vets. They have a 100M SP headstart. Good luck, sport. Have fun! Who's more likely to have the 5% bonus in a pub a vet or a newbro? ADS Ramming Revenge! Should Have Stayed Inside (the Tank)
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1071	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:28:00 - [30] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Why, according to you guys, a lower TTK is bad? Because there are about 80 other games out there (literally) with near-instant kills, and very little actual combat. Have you ever had a game where you can use the terrain, to not only get around a target, but use it to your advantage and win a fight? No. I thought not. One does not use their mind when combat is incredibly short. You just run in, point, and whoever points first is the winner. Rock paper scissors... without the paper... or the scissors. Just whoever pulls out rock first wins. As opposed to a long engagement, where the equipment you bring in actually means something, and your ability to hold accuracy, as well as use your environment starts to climb dramatically per engagement. Suddenly intelligence, instead of twitchy fingers wins fights. People complain about longer fights because they don't like being outwitted. I on the other hand, tend to enjoy a fight of logic and preparation. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.



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