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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:29:00 -
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One type for dropships and one for terrestrial vehicles.
Dropship usually have less HP and apart from ADS, they are not really fast or able to avoid swarms (this is another great problem, swarm just seek targets in open air) and i think it's not fair for them to be hit hard like a HAV would be.
LAVs even if they don't have a lot of HP, do not really suffer of that problem, because they are fast and the swarm has to fly at terrain level to hit them, usually there are many obstacles on the ground.
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:48:00 -
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Ehhh I'd rather have the firing mechanics rebuilt in a real update.
Honestly I think jus staggering out the shots and giving back some lock range would be a good way to go. .85 second lock time is a bit much, and we still haven't pinned down if swarms actually have a refire delay in the code.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2015.01.27 14:01:00 -
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I like this proposal..
One variant, less missiles/dmg better lock range, short lock on time = anti ADS
Second variant. more missiles/dmg less range, longer lock on time = anti HAV
Having the same AV for both really screws over both classes |
Zepod
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.27 14:54:00 -
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Yes, but it's the lazy way out and frankly doesn't make sense when the AFG is good against both ADSs and HAVs.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.27 14:57:00 -
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Zepod wrote:Yes, but it's the lazy way out and frankly doesn't make sense when the AFG is good against both ADSs and HAVs.
FG can be avoided in open air by dodging the shot, is up to the ability of forgegunner to land his shot and of the DS pilot to avoid it, swarm are unavoidable, the only thing you can do is AB away.
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Zepod
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:00:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Zepod wrote:Yes, but it's the lazy way out and frankly doesn't make sense when the AFG is good against both ADSs and HAVs. FG can be avoided in open air by dodging the shot, is up to the ability of forgegunner to land his shot and of the DS pilot to avoid it, swarm are unavoidable, the only thing you can do is AB away.
Which in no way justifies nor explains the reasoning behind splitting the SL between 2 optimal variants.
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Baal Omniscient
Qualified Scrub
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:09:00 -
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Still waiting for someone to show me a video of this 0.85 second lock on time, I've got max proficiency and it still always takes me nearly 2 seconds to lock and about a second Or so of down time before it will even let me attempt to lock again
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:19:00 -
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Zepod wrote:shaman oga wrote:Zepod wrote:Yes, but it's the lazy way out and frankly doesn't make sense when the AFG is good against both ADSs and HAVs. FG can be avoided in open air by dodging the shot, is up to the ability of forgegunner to land his shot and of the DS pilot to avoid it, swarm are unavoidable, the only thing you can do is AB away. Which in no way justifies nor explains the reasoning behind splitting the SL between 2 optimal variants.
Well, it justify because FG or PLC are avoidable in open air while swarm are not, both ability of the pilot and ability of the swarmer are set to zero.
Swarmer is sure to hit, pilot is sure to be hit.
When one go fishing can use a fish rod or can use explosives, both works, but one is just out scale for job you are doing.
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H0riz0n Unlimit
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:26:00 -
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OMG...that example...LMFAO
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.27 16:53:00 -
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separate variants would work, although AV will ***** and moan about only being effective against 1 vehicle or the other.
Not that I see a problem, you take the easy option and have less choice, or you take a weapon that requires aim and can work on both.
Of course, Plasma cannons need another variant as well, one with faster travel, higher dmg and no splash. Because when someone gets a vehicle kill with a Plasma cannon, you can look up and see a blue moon shining. |
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2015.01.28 02:33:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:I've got max proficiency and it still always takes me nearly 2 seconds to lock
First off, proficiency does nothing for lock-on time, that's operation's job.
Second, the base lock-on time is 1.4 (1.65 for the specialist, IIRC) so if you're taking 2 seconds to lock-on then you're doing something wrong.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.28 07:27:00 -
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Zepod wrote:shaman oga wrote:Zepod wrote:Yes, but it's the lazy way out and frankly doesn't make sense when the AFG is good against both ADSs and HAVs. FG can be avoided in open air by dodging the shot, is up to the ability of forgegunner to land his shot and of the DS pilot to avoid it, swarm are unavoidable, the only thing you can do is AB away. Which in no way justifies nor explains the reasoning behind splitting the SL between 2 optimal variants.
I don't really see a point in adding another variant. I much prefer the idea of adding scan resolution + signature radii to swarms and vehicles.
In short, the higher your scan resolution the faster it takes to lock on to something. The lower your signature radius the slower it takes for something to lock onto you.
This means, instead of complicating everything with another variant that people will need to put on a fit they can just tweak values to adjust the DPS against different targets. It's probably more work on CCP's end, but would be well worth it.
Along with this, they could have certain active modules increase your signature radius AB/OD. In EVE, shield extenders increase your signature radius which would finally be a penalty for running extenders.
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Breakin Stuff
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2015.01.28 09:19:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:I've got max proficiency and it still always takes me nearly 2 seconds to lock First off, proficiency does nothing for lock-on time, that's operation's job. Second, the base lock-on time is 1.4 (1.65 for the specialist, IIRC) so if you're taking 2 seconds to lock-on then you're doing something wrong.
wiyrkomi specialist swarms have a lock time of 1.96. Hilariously except for lock times they're identical.
that's probably where he's going wrong.
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2015.01.28 11:24:00 -
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came in hoping for a thread about adding Kahnid EM swarms, was disappointed 
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