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HOLY PERFECTION wrote:

Ok, this is a topic im pretty sure no one talks about much. In Dust I am an Ammar heavy and i`v noticed you are nerfing heavys more and more. If not the base stats then the HMG.

CCP saying " Here it's more a problem of having the other HMGs performing too well at range (which is a source of many other balance issue). First nerf the range of the other HMGs and keep this one as it is to see if it becomes useful or not". This is basically saying that they are planning to nerf the range even more.

Listen CCP, you have completely lost the core fundamentals of the game being balanced. A light suit is not expose to go 43/3 in a match. A heavy should not get killed that fast. Also a logi should not have less armor and shield than a scout. Youve got it all backwards CCP.

This graph below will list the problems/ and solutions I can think of to improve the heavys overall performance. If this does not work i will repost.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tVv1XGvDtm-Hs0mS-PJEadadjABcVvaeCSqkNVvSemA/edit?usp=sharing

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HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:07:00 - [1] - Quote Ok, this is a topic im pretty sure no one talks about much. In Dust I am an Ammar heavy and i`v noticed you are nerfing heavys more and more. If not the base stats then the HMG. CCP saying " Here it's more a problem of having the other HMGs performing too well at range (which is a source of many other balance issue). First nerf the range of the other HMGs and keep this one as it is to see if it becomes useful or not". This is basically saying that they are planning to nerf the range even more. Listen CCP, you have completely lost the core fundamentals of the game being balanced. A light suit is not expose to go 43/3 in a match. A heavy should not get killed that fast. Also a logi should not have less armor and shield than a scout. Youve got it all backwards CCP. This graph below will list the problems/ and solutions I can think of to improve the heavys overall performance. If this does not work i will repost. file:///home/chronos/u-bf2ed6e10f6b8c85a62c12964051fa659914fb41/Downloads/Untitled%20spreadsheet.pdf GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15181	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:13:00 - [2] - Quote lolscrub The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:14:00 - [3] - Quote I supported my claim pretty well didnt I please leave any comments that relates to the post please. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Big Burns Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 341	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:14:00 - [4] - Quote I run heavy as well. Galllente and Amarr. I think our health is fine, but the HMG is nothing what it used to be. I remember being able to mow down anything in my path, now I'm lucky to pick up a few kills before having to retreat. Just not enough damage. I'm a try-hard, because half my team sits in the MCC.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 1159	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:16:00 - [5] - Quote I am less intelligent for having read this. I really need to follow through with my New Year's Resolution of giving up this forum. I mean, "A light suit is not expose to go"? I should start playing golf again. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:16:00 - [6] - Quote Yes i agree, but it it is clear their just going to nerf the HMG again. So the only solution would be to buff the base stats. Responding to #4 GO BIG OR GO HOME!
AK Cyberdemon Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:19:00 - [7] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Ok, this is a topic im pretty sure no one talks about much. In Dust I am an Ammar heavy and i`v noticed you are nerfing heavys more and more. If not the base stats then the HMG. CCP saying " Here it's more a problem of having the other HMGs performing too well at range (which is a source of many other balance issue). First nerf the range of the other HMGs and keep this one as it is to see if it becomes useful or not". This is basically saying that they are planning to nerf the range even more. Listen CCP, you have completely lost the core fundamentals of the game being balanced. A light suit is not expose to go 43/3 in a match. A heavy should not get killed that fast. Also a logi should not have less armor and shield than a scout. Youve got it all backwards CCP. This graph below will list the problems/ and solutions I can think of to improve the heavys overall performance. If this does not work i will repost. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tVv1XGvDtm-Hs0mS-PJEadadjABcVvaeCSqkNVvSemA/edit?usp=sharing No....................... Just no.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:20:00 - [8] - Quote AK why not 07 GO BIG OR GO HOME!
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1813	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:21:00 - [9] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Ok, this is a topic im pretty sure no one talks about much. In Dust I am an Ammar heavy and i`v noticed you are nerfing heavys more and more. If not the base stats then the HMG. CCP saying " Here it's more a problem of having the other HMGs performing too well at range (which is a source of many other balance issue). First nerf the range of the other HMGs and keep this one as it is to see if it becomes useful or not". This is basically saying that they are planning to nerf the range even more. Listen CCP, you have completely lost the core fundamentals of the game being balanced. A light suit is not expose to go 43/3 in a match. A heavy should not get killed that fast. Also a logi should not have less armor and shield than a scout. Youve got it all backwards CCP. This graph below will list the problems/ and solutions I can think of to improve the heavys overall performance. If this does not work i will repost. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tVv1XGvDtm-Hs0mS-PJEadadjABcVvaeCSqkNVvSemA/edit?usp=sharing I actually agree with your proposed stats aside from the turn speed thing. All suits should have the same turn speed. I feel like a higher bullet damage would negate some of the hit detection issues caused by lag and bad code and allow the weapon to actually be balanced.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:23:00 - [10] - Quote Thanks for agreeing! GO BIG OR GO HOME!

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1813	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:28:00 - [11] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Thanks for agreeing! Also I think if done right these numbers would probably total up to a nerf but make it function like it is suppose to. In my opinion nothing should come with in 10m of a heavy while being directly in front of it and survive. If you run straight at a scout with a shotgun in a scout and he gets the first shot off you likely will not survive. If a scout runs straight at a heavy even when the heavy gets the first shots off it is really a coin flip on who will win. A heavy with great gun game can be destroyed by a scout with mediocre strafing skills and it is not balanced at all. If a heavy allows a scout to get behind him he should and probably will die which is exactly how this aspect needs to stay which is why I am against any changes to turn speed.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:29:00 - [12] - Quote Ok Dree the give heavys massive scan precision and range. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3574	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:30:00 - [13] - Quote The stupid is so strong, my brain was just vaporized. This would be like me saying "Buff Minmitar assaults, they are bad right now, heavies shouldn't get more than 10 kills a match because they should sit in one spot and not move. Minmitar assaults are weak right now because the combat rifle got a nerf to its profile, so i suggest buffing it to 87 damage per bullet, and RoF being kept the same for balance sake. Also, I think assaults should have the base HP of a sentinel. To balance this, our melee damage should be reduced." I would obviously want something like that (JK no i wouldn't), but the massive disruption of balance it creates is not worth satisfying my personal desires, therefore, I don't suggest it. You on the other hand have no such qualms, and thus should be laughed out of this community. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 257	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:31:00 - [14] - Quote Big Burns wrote: I run heavy as well. Galllente and Amarr. I think our health is fine, but the HMG is nothing what it used to be. I remember being able to mow down anything in my path, now I'm lucky to pick up a few kills before having to retreat. Just not enough damage. damage is fine range is fine the real problem i find is that the HMG only deals damage when the target is in the tiny little dot in the dead center of the bigger circle even if a red dot is partially in the bigger circle no damage is being delt to it. i have had scouts ****** strafe from one end of the circle to the other and only take damage when in the dead middle. Sir Dukey- If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3574	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:33:00 - [15] - Quote Oh hold up. I think we've all been trolled. Look at the horrendous spelling. Regard the atrocious grammar. Observe the ridiculous, ignorant and incredibly self-serving demands. 5/10 for the appearance of being legit. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:38:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Oh hold up. I think we've all been trolled. Look at the horrendous spelling. Regard the atrocious grammar. Observe the ridiculous, ignorant and incredibly self-serving demands. 5/10 for the appearance of being legit. Ohh.. im sorry this is a forum and i can post anything i want. And im not arrogant, gallentes are not the best heavy, therefore having less armor and low slot. But having more shield and high slot. I tried to balance everything out the best i could. Thats why i have you guys to give feedback. Not to insult my " grammar" Then calling me fake, then saying my work is legit. You're not sure of yourself are you. P.S thanks for the feedback, ill improve next post :) GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 257	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:40:00 - [17] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Ok, this is a topic im pretty sure no one talks about much. In Dust I am an Ammar heavy and i`v noticed you are nerfing heavys more and more. If not the base stats then the HMG. CCP saying " Here it's more a problem of having the other HMGs performing too well at range (which is a source of many other balance issue). First nerf the range of the other HMGs and keep this one as it is to see if it becomes useful or not". This is basically saying that they are planning to nerf the range even more. Listen CCP, you have completely lost the core fundamentals of the game being balanced. A light suit is not expose to go 43/3 in a match. A heavy should not get killed that fast. Also a logi should not have less armor and shield than a scout. Youve got it all backwards CCP. This graph below will list the problems/ and solutions I can think of to improve the heavys overall performance. If this does not work i will repost. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tVv1XGvDtm-Hs0mS-PJEadadjABcVvaeCSqkNVvSemA/edit?usp=sharing min hvy should be the fastest hvy out of the 4 Sir Dukey- If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3576	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:41:00 - [18] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Oh hold up. I think we've all been trolled. Look at the horrendous spelling. Regard the atrocious grammar. Observe the ridiculous, ignorant and incredibly self-serving demands. 5/10 for the appearance of being legit. Ohh.. im sorry this is a forum and i can post anything i want. And im not arrogant, gallentes are not the best heavy, therefore having less armor and low slot. But having more shield and high slot. I tried to balance everything out the best i could. Thats why i have you guys to give feedback. Not to insult my " grammar" Then calling me fake, then saying my work is legit. You're not sure of yourself are you. P.S thanks for the feedback, ill improve next post :) Do you english? I said that it APPEARS legit....which means that it is quality troll. Just take the compliment and move on. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:43:00 - [19] - Quote The more response the better. keep it coming guys. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:59:00 - [20] - Quote Join Glory Boyz chat channel GO BIG OR GO HOME!

HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:12:00 - [21] - Quote ima gonna sleep night GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 129	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:16:00 - [22] - Quote I know I'm going to sound like a ** for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY0o2FHh64Y Anywho, this isn't buffing heavies, this is making it so heavies have no weaknesses. Hey, my gun heats up because it's so powerful? that **, that needs to go. Hey, I can't apply my death a 600000000000000 miles aways. CCP pls buff. CCP, I can't twitch with my MASSIVE MACHINE GUN. This to underpowered, pls buff. Your arguments are flawed and stupid. You seem to think that "buffing" is just removing it's weakness. Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:19:00 - [23] - Quote Thanks for feed back and again these are not set in stone. You think I am CCP or something. Also im not making them invincible. That is just how UP they are, and there are multiple SUGGESTIONS. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2355	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:24:00 - [24] - Quote Lol at Amarr Heavies with 2560.3EHP that move faster than they do now with better HP regen than currently and even longer range murderhoses than never overheat. Get real. Home at Last <3
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:29:00 - [25] - Quote Again up for suggestion. Also instead of more armor like I suggested in another post i said buff the heavys scan precision. Also you are just focusing on the graph it seems like. Look at the HMG suggestions. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2355	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:32:00 - [26] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Again up for suggestion. Also instead of more armor like I suggested in another post i said buff the heavys scan precision. Also you are just focusing on the graph it seems like. Look at the HMG suggestions. Your HMG suggestion basically boils down to "get rid of every balancing drawback to using the HMG". Nope. I'm glad CCP is smart enough to just laugh you off behind their screens. Hour ideas are ******* horrendous. Home at Last <3
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.01.22 06:46:00 - [27] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: Again up for suggestion. Also instead of more armor like I suggested in another post i said buff the heavys scan precision. Also you are just focusing on the graph it seems like. Look at the HMG suggestions. Your HMG suggestion basically boils down to "get rid of every balancing drawback to using the HMG". Nope. I'm glad CCP is smart enough to just laugh you off behind their screens. Hour ideas are ******* horrendous. ha you spelt our wrong GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Alex-ZX Valor Coalition Red Whines. 175	Posted - 2015.01.22 07:13:00 - [28] - Quote I took my time to see ur numbers and let me tell u that they are all over the place.. I am a heavy master, I love the sentinels but what u are asking isn't that good. Armor rep goes to gallente Speed to minmatar Shield tank caldari Armor tank amarr Those things have to be followed correctly and not taking it to one easy clicking skill of just giving numbers. If I had to buff heavies I would do the next things 1. Amarr are main issue for their obscene amount if hp so I would change it into a 2high 3 low 2. I as much I would buff 100 hp to sentinels 3. We need an awesome tweak for that minmatar sentinel, I would increase its shield regeneration like 25 would be good, I would change shield and armor, the funny thing about it is that min sent is supposed to be shield tanked but it has more armor, I would swap those numbers and increase it some extra shield... Not to much like 20 or 30 plus 4. Hmg overheating is horrible if u have to fight against a reped heavy or multiple targets so I would reduce it a bit, with that maybe we don't really need the 1, 2 and 3 steps.... That assault hmg really needs some love The intention is "good" but take ur time to really think ur numbers because many will just call u in many funny ways and they won't hear u. After all the community hates sentinels. I have never felt like they were OP but looks like many think that they are. I used to fight heavies with 1300 armor hp every day in beta, I lived the most crazies HMGs damages and things like that, so I can say that in 1.8 heavies were good, but not everyone thinks in that way. Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG Luis' modified VC-107 CR Alex's modified VC-107 SMG *Owner of this beasts*
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4481	Posted - 2015.01.22 07:25:00 - [29] - Quote OP wants to buff heavies and nerf Logis....I just...I don't....even....I can't......just no. I'm going to bed "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 380	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:34:00 - [30] - Quote My argument, it's a MINIGUN! It should shoot like one and no one should be able to just stand there in front of it and live to tell about it. Dust 514 is a futuristic game right? Then why does the minigun fall so short of what we actually have available right now? For everyone who disagrees, I invite you to educate yourselves with the following page and a visit to youtube to see the devastating capabilities of even the smallest caliber minigun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun ~(._.~) G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-



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