Heavy Logi:

• down right SLOW some where around 20% less speed on each race than their current sentinels but more jump height.
• eHP roughly equal to current commandos
• self repair rate 10 - 15% higher than that races current sentinel.
• little to no passive scanning ability outside of 5m depending on the race.
• 1 light weapon slot.
• equipment slots 2 at basic 4 at advanced and 6 at proto. pg / cpu prevents 6 heavy grade pieces of equipment from being fitted.
• high and low slot layouts 0 high or low at basic 1/2 at adv (2 being the racial preferred side) and 2/2 at proto
• role bonus reducing heavy grade equipment pg/cpu by something like 80 to 90% based on where that equipments numbers land.
• role bonus gives a small resistance boost to ALL damage types on the race preferred defense per level
• death results in all equipment being destroyed.

Light Logi:

• slightly slower than a scout and about 20% reduced eHP
• self repair rate 10 - 15% higher than that races current scout
• eWar abilities roughly 50% of current races scout
• single sidearm slot
• slot layouts 0 high or low at basic 1/2 at adv (2 being the racial preferred side) and 2/2 at proto
• 2 equipment at basic 3 at advanced 4 at proto
• very low pg and cpu. at proto can only fit proto modules if some equipment slots are unused.
• bandwidth levels equal to current medium logi

The current system works fine.

The current system works fine.

Medium logistics suits would be removed for the time being.

There would be a heavy and light class logi.

So instead of a slower, lower ehp than assault class, you'd have logis running a slower, less ehp versions of scouts or commandos?

No thanks. Logis need a buff, not a nerf masked by a major change from being nerfed assaults to being nerfed scouts and commandos.

I don't see how this is a better fix than just buffing the current logistics.

Because then we are right back at slayer logis and everyone saying to nerf them. It is an unfortunate cycle that we have gone through many times.

Do you even understand what caused the slayer logi to begin with?

Statements like this scream "clueless paranoia" to me.

Slayer logi is the ultimate conspiracy buzzword on these forums.

The biggest problem with the Slayer Logi was the fact that they got extremely powerful defensive bonuses, particularly the Caldari Logistics with 5 high slots and a +25% Bonus to Shield Extenders, so you would have a Cal Logi with 5 shield extenders, 91 HP each for a total of 454 bonus shield HP. Additionally at the time Logistics had extremely high resources to compensate for the addition resource cost of equipment. This allowed a Logistics to not equip equipment and instead double stack even more defenses on top of its normal tanking type, leading to Logistics that had defenses rivaling that of some Heavies.

The primary change that was intended to rectify this was an overall decrease in the resources of the logistics but instead added a fitting cost reduction to Equipment. This meant that even if the Logistics didn't fit equipment, its overall resources were not that fantastic, but because of the fitting reduction, their effective fitting was much higher, but only if they used it for equipment.

This meant that even if they don't fit equipment, there is no way the Logistics can surpass the Assault and become "The Slayer Logi" that so many people fear. I personally feel that the effect of the fitting reduction did not go far enough, and that the raw fitting of the Logistics should still remain low but with a larger fitting reduction, further boosting the effect that their effective fitting is high, but only while using equipment.

Nevertheless, the Logistics post-Slayer Logi scare took an extreme beating (as did the Assault). The Assault however, as you know, was recently buffed and is far more viable, but the Logistics was left behind. A general increase in the base stats as well as matching the Slot Layout of the Logistics to its Assault counterpart would do wonders in making the Logistics more viable. However it is important to note that much of the effective fitting capability is tied to the Fitting Reduction for Equipment. This means that even if the Logistics has base stats more similar to the Assault, not fitting equipment will gain it little additional benefit. This ultimately prevent the 'Slayer Logi' everyone loves to fear but never truly understood.

Type I - No sidearm, 4 equipment slots at proto, the same number of high & low slots as assaults
Type II - Sidearm at the cost of 1 module slot.

I don't see how this is a better fix than just buffing the current logistics.

The added tactics that could come from these new suits really sound fun to me and I think if people sat aside preconceptions from the current system they would feel the same.

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Then there's the players...

They'll suggest radical nerfs and try to put a pretty ribbon on it using the words tactics,or 'skill'.
When in all actuality they're bored with the way they play the game,but instead of changing themselves they'd rather change the game around them.

I saw this again on the Trello board. I just wanted to say that I really hate this idea, and think that it's counter-productive. I can already build logistics suits to be fast or tanky depending on the need.

I don't think that there is any danger of people preferring logistics suits for combat. Assaults have fitting reductions for weapons, and greater stats.



Why does it sacrifice a module slot instead of an equipment slot? Why do they need to be less survivable?

As a logi user I think this is a neat idea when reading it at first but the fact you want to take away the medium is not gonna work for me. If they where added alone side the current logi that would be cool. I could see that working out well for a fast assault team or a sentinel team to slowly push or defend. while the medium is the general rolled suit. I see the benefits of adding them as there more specialized but don't take the medium well balanced one away. only hurting the game if your taking stuff away from players. When they took away the Logi lav away because people where upset about road killing in it really made a lot of players upset. When really all they needed to do is lower the speed of it by say 10-20 percent to reduce the chance of road killing.


When you want something balanced instead of trying to remove something try to add counters or do a slight buff/nerf. never do drastic measures as they make the game one side all the time.