DUST Search - flux idea

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Vitantur Nothus wrote:

You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications.

They aren't meant for tanks btw

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this.

They existed in a time before the Calsents. In a time before there were no suits with even 700 Shield HP at all.
So why then do they have 1200 Damage?
To damage Vehicles, HAVs included. That's the only logical explanation for why CCP has given them such damage.

Mkay then why have grenades thats only purpose is "av" when you have this grenade which can technically do it all. The flux grenade undermines the other 2 grenades due to its ridiculous amount of damage it does to shields. Yes it cant kill unlike the other two but how many people use fluxs over av nades on their fits? To many to count. Flux shouldn't be the it can do everything grenade. Give it a cliche and be done with it. You want it av fine give it extra damage to vehicles less damage to infantry or vice versa. I'm merely looking for balance

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Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1335	Posted - 2015.01.05 11:00:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys I've been thinking about how to balance fluxes and i think I've found it. Instead of 2 grenades with 2xxx total damage to shields how about 3 or 4 with 2xxx damage keep radius though. Its just a thought. I think this'll keep their av, equipment spam role while giving shield suits a chance to run away with their tails in between their legs. +1 or stfu? We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1383	Posted - 2015.01.05 11:39:00 - [2] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: stfu I think you answered your own question.
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1335	Posted - 2015.01.05 11:46:00 - [3] - Quote Just had an idea threw it out there didn't expect much We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Zindorak Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1563	Posted - 2015.01.05 12:57:00 - [4] - Quote It might make me use fluxes a bit more Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2011	Posted - 2015.01.05 14:58:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think this would "balance" fluxes in the way you want. They would only become more effective at dealing with shield infantry, with the exception of the Calsentinel. Scouts, logis, an 'saults of both the Cal and Min persuasion would be I'll effected by this change. Their anti equipment use would skyrocket. Like alot. They are already THE premier anti equipment tool, and this would make the 2x better at it. Their efficacy against Gal and Amarr suits wouldn't really change. That said, I'm all for it! Home at Last <3
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1474	Posted - 2015.01.05 15:01:00 - [6] - Quote You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications.
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1336	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:00:00 - [7] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications. They aren't meant for tanks btw We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2012	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications. They aren't meant for tanks btw I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. They existed in a time before the Calsents. In a time before there were no suits with even 700 Shield HP at all. So why then do they have 1200 Damage? To damage Vehicles, HAVs included. That's the only logical explanation for why CCP has given them such damage. Home at Last <3
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7728	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:09:00 - [9] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications. They aren't meant for tanks btw Clearly, that's why they work so well against them. I always laugh whenever people say that Flux Grenades are OP because you only ever hear the arguments come from shield users, as opposed to -anyone- who gets one-shotted by a cooked Core Locus. Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1336	Posted - 2015.01.05 20:55:00 - [10] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications. They aren't meant for tanks btw I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. They existed in a time before the Calsents. In a time before there were no suits with even 700 Shield HP at all. So why then do they have 1200 Damage? To damage Vehicles, HAVs included. That's the only logical explanation for why CCP has given them such damage. Mkay then why have grenades thats only purpose is "av" when you have this grenade which can technically do it all. The flux grenade undermines the other 2 grenades due to its ridiculous amount of damage it does to shields. Yes it cant kill unlike the other two but how many people use fluxs over av nades on their fits? To many to count. Flux shouldn't be the it can do everything grenade. Give it a cliche and be done with it. You want it av fine give it extra damage to vehicles less damage to infantry or vice versa. I'm merely looking for balance We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2026	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:24:00 - [11] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Jacques Cayton II wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: You typically only get one toss on a tank. Halving flux damage would half their effectiveness in AV applications. They aren't meant for tanks btw I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this. They existed in a time before the Calsents. In a time before there were no suits with even 700 Shield HP at all. So why then do they have 1200 Damage? To damage Vehicles, HAVs included. That's the only logical explanation for why CCP has given them such damage. Mkay then why have grenades thats only purpose is "av" when you have this grenade which can technically do it all. The flux grenade undermines the other 2 grenades due to its ridiculous amount of damage it does to shields. Yes it cant kill unlike the other two but how many people use fluxs over av nades on their fits? To many to count. Flux shouldn't be the it can do everything grenade. Give it a cliche and be done with it. You want it av fine give it extra damage to vehicles less damage to infantry or vice versa. I'm merely looking for balance Ask CCP. Not me. I'm just pointing out that is obvious that CCP intended them to be AV capable, so just an observation. I'd be fine with getting 4 600 damage grenades rather than 2 1200 damage ones. I don't even really use mine for AV. I use them to clear rooms of equipment and soften large groups of enemies when a push is being made. So such a change would really just be a buff for me. The reason that so many people use Fluxes in place of AV is because AVs kinda suck for AV by their very nature and how they work with AV weapons. Fluxes synergize well with Swarms, the most common AV weapon. Flux shields at close range, then fire swarms as they drive away. Perfect synergy. And Shield HAVs are a bit more common than Armor ones, so there's that as well. AV grenades are niche and only synergize well with Plasma Cannons really. So there's your reason why they arent used. They just don't really work all that well against tanks. By the time you are into armor for a tank, they are likely out of grenade range. Honestly, I don't think people would use AVs if fluxes did 600 damage. AV nades just suck. Locus Grenades are great against armor suits, but they just can't clear equipment like a flux can or soften objectives as well as them because of the nature of shields being on top of armor. They can be real wicked if you know how to airburst them though, and are the only grenade that can actually kill Dropsuits, so that attracts people. I don't think Locuses are bad, I just don't think they make as much sense to use as a Flux does in this game. Grenades in Dust are overall pretty weak when you compare other games, with their main purpose being target softening. Since the flux is better for target softening(something that won't ever change) Locuses are just more niche. Not worse, just niche. That's just my opinion though. I'm not all that great with nades, and I have seen people do amazing things with Locuses, so I might be wrong. Home at Last <3
ishtellian SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 83	Posted - 2015.01.06 03:23:00 - [12] - Quote I think fluxes should do percentage damage versus shields, instapop any equipment ( for now ) and have increased ratios against vehicles. For example STD 40% of the infantry shields, increased to 55% against vehicles ADV 47.5% of infantry shields, increased to 67.5% against vehicles PRO 55% infantry shields, increased to 75% against vehicles Maybe even do a percentage of their CURRENT shield HP but have damage that will never be reduced say for example a tank has 1000 shields and the flux has a base damage of 250 and also does 50% of their current shields If calculated before the base damage it would do 500 shield and then the 250 base. Just some idea, numbers most likely need tweaking My Heavy Never Dies. Logibro In training.
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1342	Posted - 2015.01.06 04:01:00 - [13] - Quote ishtellian wrote: I think fluxes should do percentage damage versus shields, instapop any equipment ( for now ) and have increased ratios against vehicles. For example STD 40% of the infantry shields, increased to 55% against vehicles ADV 47.5% of infantry shields, increased to 67.5% against vehicles PRO 55% infantry shields, increased to 75% against vehicles Maybe even do a percentage of their CURRENT shield HP but have damage that will never be reduced say for example a tank has 1000 shields and the flux has a base damage of 250 and also does 50% of their current shields If calculated before the base damage it would do 500 shield and then the 250 base. Just some idea, numbers most likely need tweaking I like it We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7008	Posted - 2015.01.06 04:02:00 - [14] - Quote So you want to take a grenade that doesn't actually outright kill anything, and nerf it? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1342	Posted - 2015.01.06 04:20:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: So you want to take a grenade that doesn't actually outright kill anything, and nerf it? How is it a nerf if anything it's a buff We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals


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