DUST Search - Why armor seems to be more prevalent on the battlefield..

Atiim wrote:

All Gucci wrote:

Because you don't instantly know its weakness like my earlier example gal/amarr you know to pull out your project and rail weapons..../ Cal you know to bring out your laser/Hybrid weaponry Min/ you pull out your......? Why you tryna play dumb?

When you see a Minmatar Assault, you pull out the counter to what suit they're running. Having the advantage of surprise is far from an unfair one, and given how you don't have the ability to see what gear everyone runs until you see them it's an irrelevant advantage.

You won't know whether or not there's a Caldari or Amarr/Gallente suit until you actually see it in battle, which is when you field it's counter (if you haven't already done so). I fail to see how it's different with the MinAssault, given how you can tell which build it's running by simply looking at it.

All Gucci wrote:

You run Min assualt I presume? Like every other min assault claims... you've had it since 1.Blahblah and your not a FotM chaser to. I already expected a lot of min FotM would oppose this because they would lose their advantage over the slower more armor prevalent meta...because it would make the game balanced Cool

MinAssaults having an advantage in an armor prevalent meta is far from unbalanced, as they're focused around the best Anti-Armor weapons available (CRs, SMGs, MDs, etc). That's the equivalent of saying that Amarr Assaults are OP because they have an advantage over Shields.

If you must know, however, I run the MinCom & Assault. But I will be sure to add your tears to my prized collection

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All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 32	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:07:00 - [1] - Quote 1 Shield race / 1 Dual tanking/ 2 armor........................ make one of the armor users a dual tanker and you'll see the battle field balance out more...From the marketing data that I have seen 95% of side arms that were used were anti armor.... that's because there's a 3/5 chance you be fighting someone armor tanked and a 2/5 chance it will be a shield tanker... imagine having a suit you could either armor tank or shield tank , a suit you wouldn't have to rely on strafe strafe strafe and you could rely on precision and gun game. Orrrrrrrrrrrr make the Min purely shields so it would balance out the meta because they have the unfair advantage of surprise. Unlike the gal and amarr who are instantly destroyed because you know without even thinking they are only armor tanked... logically, the Min has the biggest advantage over this current meta because of thier shield regen/speed/ and 15/15 damage profile (which the ScR needs to copy) Emperor Gucci
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1963	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:12:00 - [2] - Quote Dude. The Amarr are armor tankers... Their very name is a play on the word "armor". Stop trying to make dual tanked Amarr happen. It won't. Ever. H¦à-æ¦Å¦ç-æ-æ¦ë-Å-Ç-ö¦ù-Ö¦¦¦á¦ñ¦P-öE-è¦ê-¬-«¦è¦Ç-ù-ú-¡-Ç¦¢¦¦-ëA-ú¦ê¦ö¦Ç-è¦æ¦ë-Ñ-¡-£¦+¦Ñ-Ä¦ú¦+¦ù¦+T¦ô¦+¦¦-à¦Ö¦ÿ¦¬-ëH-Æ-¢-¬-½-ñ-é¦ë¦ü¦ù¦¦-ì-Ä-ô¦¦¦¦E¦è¦à¦è¦â-ñ¦î-ñ¦¢¦º-ô-ö¦û¦Ñ¦¦-ë¦ú¦+N-½-Æ-£¦¦-ôS-é-î¦+¦«¦+¦+¦¦¦ÿ!-¡¦î¦¦¦+¦¦-ë-ö¦¦¦¼-ô¦¬
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 32	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:24:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Dude. The Amarr are armor tankers... Their very name is a play on the word "armor". Stop trying to make dual tanked Amarr happen. It won't. Ever. Amarr....Armor.....nope, dont see it In dust they were originally dual tanked. Emperor Gucci
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14810	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:30:00 - [4] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Orrrrrrrrrrrr make the Min purely shields so it would balance out the meta because they have the unfair advantage of surprise. I fail to see how being able to fit your suit the way you want it is an unfair advantage. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
wiseguy12 Sector Combat Solutions and Logistics 91	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:33:00 - [5] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Dude. The Amarr are armor tankers... Their very name is a play on the word "armor". Stop trying to make dual tanked Amarr happen. It won't. Ever. Amarr....Armor.....nope, dont see it In dust they were originally dual tanked. They are still dual tanked not as much armor as gallente and not as much shield as caldari but still a lot of both. Pro Caldari assault and sentinel. Proto magsec, Forgegun, sniper, HMG, and Rail Rifle Onuoto Uakan
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3586	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:36:00 - [6] - Quote Then why do you see hella mor brick tanked Cal Assaults and armor tanked min assaults. Fatal Absolution Director Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
wiseguy12 Sector Combat Solutions and Logistics 91	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:42:00 - [7] - Quote Because they want them HP just like any new player trys to do stack as many HP buff modules as possible.oh and the reason for most side arms being armor is if they run out of ammo on someone's suit odds are it has no shield left thus only armor remains. Pro Caldari assault and sentinel. Proto magsec, Forgegun, sniper, HMG, and Rail Rifle Onuoto Uakan
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 32	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:17:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: All Gucci wrote: Orrrrrrrrrrrr make the Min purely shields so it would balance out the meta because they have the unfair advantage of surprise. I fail to see how being able to fit your suit the way you want it is an unfair advantage. Because you don't instantly know its weakness like my earlier example gal/amarr you know to pull out your project and rail weapons..../ Cal you know to bring out your laser/Hybrid weaponry Min/ you pull out your......? Why you tryna play dumb? You run Min assualt I presume? Like every other min assault claims... you've had it since 1.Blahblah and your not a FotM chaser to. I already expected a lot of min FotM would oppose this because they would lose their advantage over the slower more armor prevalent meta...because it would make the game balanced Emperor Gucci
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4948	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:21:00 - [9] - Quote Nope not returning to that age of heretical fittings. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 32	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:33:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Nope not returning to that age of heretical fittings. 15/15 Scr profile would help free us from stacking a second damage mod to finish armor. pair that with a 4/4 layout and lower shield regen and you could have some extremely dominating fits. we would still be the suits with the most Hp wile being able throw in biotics to further increase our killing potential. you could have 1 dmg mod with 3 extenders and regulator/biotic or armor and fug **** up in our "tactical cover warfare" and still have the offensive capabilities we have now or us 4 Myos/2Kincats/2 reactives and run around Delivering the hand of god to some random noobs Emperor Gucci

Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 567	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:40:00 - [11] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: All Gucci wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Dude. The Amarr are armor tankers... Their very name is a play on the word "armor". Stop trying to make dual tanked Amarr happen. It won't. Ever. Amarr....Armor.....nope, dont see it In dust they were originally dual tanked. They are still dual tanked not as much armor as gallente and not as much shield as caldari but still a lot of both. What are you talking about? Amarr has the most armor. Gallente are armor repair tankers. Changes to Damage mods!
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 191	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Min has the biggest advantage over this current meta because of thier shield regen/speed LoL
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14814	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:11:00 - [13] - Quote All Gucci wrote: Because you don't instantly know its weakness like my earlier example gal/amarr you know to pull out your project and rail weapons..../ Cal you know to bring out your laser/Hybrid weaponry Min/ you pull out your......? Why you tryna play dumb? When you see a Minmatar Assault, you pull out the counter to what suit they're running. Having the advantage of surprise is far from an unfair one, and given how you don't have the ability to see what gear everyone runs until you see them it's an irrelevant advantage. You won't know whether or not there's a Caldari or Amarr/Gallente suit until you actually see it in battle, which is when you field it's counter (if you haven't already done so). I fail to see how it's different with the MinAssault, given how you can tell which build it's running by simply looking at it. All Gucci wrote: You run Min assualt I presume? Like every other min assault claims... you've had it since 1.Blahblah and your not a FotM chaser to. I already expected a lot of min FotM would oppose this because they would lose their advantage over the slower more armor prevalent meta...because it would make the game balanced MinAssaults having an advantage in an armor prevalent meta is far from unbalanced, as they're focused around the best Anti-Armor weapons available (CRs, SMGs, MDs, etc). That's the equivalent of saying that Amarr Assaults are OP because they have an advantage over Shields. If you must know, however, I run the MinCom & Assault. But I will be sure to add your tears to my prized collection The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6798	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:26:00 - [14] - Quote It's because Shield tanking is only viable when you get all shield modules to at least advanced level. Armor is viable at militia. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 40	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:01:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: All Gucci wrote: Because you don't instantly know its weakness like my earlier example gal/amarr you know to pull out your project and rail weapons..../ Cal you know to bring out your laser/Hybrid weaponry Min/ you pull out your......? Why you tryna play dumb? When you see a Minmatar Assault, you pull out the counter to what suit they're running. Having the advantage of surprise is far from an unfair one, and given how you don't have the ability to see what gear everyone runs until you see them it's an irrelevant advantage. You won't know whether or not there's a Caldari or Amarr/Gallente suit until you actually see it in battle, which is when you field it's counter (if you haven't already done so). I fail to see how it's different with the MinAssault, given how you can tell which build it's running by simply looking at it. All Gucci wrote: You run Min assualt I presume? Like every other min assault claims... you've had it since 1.Blahblah and your not a FotM chaser to. I already expected a lot of min FotM would oppose this because they would lose their advantage over the slower more armor prevalent meta...because it would make the game balanced MinAssaults having an advantage in an armor prevalent meta is far from unbalanced, as they're focused around the best Anti-Armor weapons available (CRs, SMGs, MDs, etc). That's the equivalent of saying that Amarr Assaults are OP because they have an advantage over Shields. If you must know, however, I run the MinCom & Assault. But I will be sure to add your tears to my prized collection How does that make any sense I'll be able to tell what a MinAss is tanking with by seeing him? lmfao no. because they have the freedom to tank either effectively unlike the 3 other suits in existence. The minute you see an amarr/gal its obvious and advantageous to use an anti armor weapon and when you see a Cal its laser/blaster. when its min you have no idea what to do instinctively but instead have to go with the whatever you start firing at them with. changing the amarr from armor to Dual like the Min would balance out the meta in favor of neither shields or armor and the weapons would follow...THEN and only then will the tweaks to the weapons actually matter... Emperor Gucci
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1456	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:07:00 - [16] - Quote Tears from a 1000HP MedFrame? HP Creep is real.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 40	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:40:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: If you must know, however, I run the MinCom & Assault. But I will be sure to add your tears to my prized collection If you must know, I dont care soooo yea and you would get evaporated by my basic ScR head,body,weapon ,and soul so try again. Emperor Gucci
Her Chosen Grade No.2 197	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:57:00 - [18] - Quote Armor is cheap HP, period. The fitting cost to HP ratio is unbalanced. Having assaults with 800-1000 armor is okay, but what if assaults had 800-1000 shields? Then people would complain, complain... why would they complain? Because shields rep themselves... Well, almost no shields rep faster than triage tool/hive, so why not just buff the shield extenders to what the armor is? Gallente has always been FoTM because of the armor stacking. Amarr can stack, but they actual have sacrifice and balance, such as less repping, less speed, laser weapons... Gallente has always been FoTM in this game used by players in need of a crutch. STRONG BOX ROLE CALL


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