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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.01.03 00:02:00 -
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Right now basic medium frames only have on purpose: test driving the assault layout then when you unlock an assault, it becomes useless. Basic frames in general should be generalist that specializations branch out from instead of what we have now: assaults, sentinels, and scouts being copy/pasted basics with bonuses.
Basic medium frames could achieve that by having +5m increase in scan radius, 2 equipment slots at all tiers, 1 less module slot compared to assaults, and a bit less HP than assaults, but more than logistics.
That would truly make them like a middle ground between the specializations of the suits.
This is how the module & equipment slot progression should be:
Basic frame: + 1 equipment (2 equipment total, between assault and logi), -1 module slot.
PRO/ADV/STD
Modules:7/5/3
Equipment:2/2/2
Sidearm:1/1/1
Grenade:1/1/1
Light Wep:1/1/1
Total Stuff:12/10/8
Here is a spreadsheet that has all of this and more.
Related threads: Logistics Type 1 & 2 - Standardizing the module/equipment progression
[Feedbk/Req] (Spreadsheet inside) medium suit slot changes
[Feedback/Request] Basic frames & specializations: differentation & cost
UPRISING: Specializations are redundant - make them differ more from basic frames
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.01.03 00:07:00 -
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I made a thread awhile back.... hold on
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:05:00 -
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Added that to my list of related threads and I'll give u some feedback on that thread too.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:16:00 -
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No,basics aren't supposed to have any specialist qualities.
They are supposed to be the bare minimum to drive you into other suits.
They aren't the 'middle ground' they are tier 1,logistics and assaults are tier 2.(look at the skill tree)
Or they are step 1 while logistics and assaults are step 2.
Stop trying to upgrade what's designed to be a starter suit.
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:24:00 -
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Meee One wrote:No,basics aren't supposed to have any specialist qualities. They are supposed to be the bare minimum to drive you into other suits. They aren't the 'middle ground' they are tier 1,logistics and assaults are tier 2.(look at the skill tree) Or they are step 1 while logistics and assaults are step 2. Stop trying to upgrade what's designed to be a starter suit.
I'm trying to make them generalist, not specialist. Assaults would be better at assaulting and logis would still be betting at being logis.
They aren't what I would consider the bare minimum to drive others to logistics suits.
Tier 2 is supposed to branch off from tier 1, it is not the case when you compare assaults to basic mediums.
I'm not trying to upgrade them, they would have the same total slots as assaults, and it's more of a sidegrade than an upgrade.
I'm trying to make them generalist, not specialist. Assaults would be better at assaulting and logis would still be betting at being logis. Also, from that last part of the comment I'm assuming you like having over 72 useless dropsuits in the game.
MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:25:00 -
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Meee One wrote:No,basics aren't supposed to have any specialist qualities. They are supposed to be the bare minimum to drive you into other suits. They aren't the 'middle ground' they are tier 1,logistics and assaults are tier 2.(look at the skill tree) Or they are step 1 while logistics and assaults are step 2. Stop trying to upgrade what's designed to be a starter suit.
Meee One in all due respect, tier 1 dropsuits are supposed to to have a role ( look at eve ) but tier 2 are more specialized versions of tier 1's obtaining all its bonuses as well.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:25:00 -
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Meee One wrote:No,basics aren't supposed to have any specialist qualities. They are supposed to be the bare minimum to drive you into other suits. They aren't the 'middle ground' they are tier 1,logistics and assaults are tier 2.(look at the skill tree) Or they are step 1 while logistics and assaults are step 2. Stop trying to upgrade what's designed to be a starter suit.
No. No. No no no no no NO.
Medium suits are absolutely supposed to be middle ground. They are supposed to be jack-of-all-trades, master of none. These are the suits that you bring in when you don't know what is needed, so you bring a little of everything. They don't logi as well as logistics, or attack as well as assaults, but should be able to logi better than assaults and attack better than logistics. If I had my way, I'd give them part of the assault bonus and part of the logi bonus, meaning you can kind of do both, but not as well as the specialized suits. The specialized suits give up their versatility in order to be really good at one job. Therefore, assaults give up the versatility of the medium suit in order to beef its base health and assault bonuses, meaning its great ata attacking but cannot run logistics effectively.
There should be no useless suits. Ever. If they are meant to be useless, then take them out of the game. Why bother having something that isn't meant to be used cluttering up the game?
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:43:00 -
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Meee One wrote:...
And what you've essentially asked for regarding eWAR and equipment is essentially saying 'make them logistics that have better base stats'.
And bandwith was introduced to stop scouts from doing the logistics role,now you want basics to do it.
Btw,Cal logistics only has 2 equipment at basic level.
All frames have some kind of eWAR aspect to them, why should basic frames be exempt? Giving basic mediums better scan radii and having the other mediums trade that for something else doesn't sound fair to you?
You do realize that basic lights have better bandwidth capacity than scouts right? Also basic frames, as the others above also said, should not be useless, and be generalist that can do everything, but not nearly as well as specialized frames.
You should really check out the thread I linked about standardizing the module/equipment slot progression of Logis.
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