DUST Search - Loyalty ranks need to change

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Lore-wise they are pretty stupid. We're not part of a military, we're just mercenaries, yet somehow we get military ranks. It would be one thing if the corporations we belonged to gave us ranks (since corps are essentially private militaries), but everyone just gets these ranks from seemingly nowhere.
Military ranks denote some sort of hierarchical command structure, yet we mercs don't necessarily operate with any command structure. We get ranks like "Brigadier", yet we're not in charge of brigades.

I'm willing to pretend that there is some organization in New Eden that gives us these ranks (probably CONCORD), but the names need to change:

The term "Loyalty Ranks" is an odd name since "loyalty" usually means something related to faction warffare (like the Loyalty Store, and Loyalty Points). In the lore, what does the "Loyalty" in "Loyalty Rank" referring to anyway? Instead of "loyalty ranks", it should just be called "Mercenary Rating".

The rank titles should be changed to something that does not denote responsibilities that we don't have. The ranks should just reflect our experience and abilities. Example:

MERCENARY RATINGS
1) Recruit Tier 1
2) Recruit Tier 2
3) Combatant Tier 1
4) Combatant Tier 2
5) Advanced Tier 1
6) Advanced Tier 2
7) Veteran Tier 1
8) Veteran Tier 2
9) Interstellar Threat (perhaps CONCORD thinks you're too dangerous and powerful a merc, and keep an eye on you)
10) Legendary

More interesting and varied names can be done than the examples I gave, but you get the point.

On Trello for voting.

EDIT: I'm going to try to make this more clear.
Ranks should be for organizations you fight for, or belong to. That means ranks they should be provided by your corp, or the faction you fight for in Faction Warfare.
Furthermore, ranks should reflect your responsibilities. Ranks like "Brigadier", "Colonel", and "General" for example are for people with the responsibility of leading significant chunks of an army.
Loyalty Ranks DO NOT come from your supported faction, and DO NOT come from your corporation. Loyalty ranks DO NOT reflect your responsibilities. This is why I want to turn loyalty ranks into a rating system of how dangerous or experienced you are.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11851	Posted - 2014.12.29 21:30:00 - [1] - Quote Lore-wise they are pretty stupid. Were not part of a military, we're just mercenaries, yet somehow we get military ranks. It would be one thing if the corporations we belonged to gave us ranks (since corps are essentially private militaries), but everyone just gets these ranks from seemingly nowhere. Military ranks denote some sort of hierarchical command structure, yet mercs don't necessarily operate with any command structure. We get ranks like "Brigadier", yet we're not in charge of brigades. I'm willing to pretend that there is some organization in New Eden that gives us these ranks (probably CONCORD), but the names need to change: The term "Loyalty Ranks" is an odd name since "loyalty" usually means something related to faction warffare (like the Loyalty Store, and Loyalty Points). In the lore, what does the "Loyalty" in "Loyalty Rank" referring to anyway? Instead of "loyalty ranks", it should just be called "Mercenary Rating". The rank titles should be changed to something that does not denote responsibilities that we don't have. The ranks should just reflect our experience and abilities. Example: MERCENARY RANKS 1) Recruit Tier 1 2) Recruit Tier 2 3) Combatant Tier 1 4) Combatant Tier 2 5) Advanced Tier 1 6) Advanced Tier 2 7) Veteran Tier 1 8) Veteran Tier 2 9) Interstellar Threat (perhaps CONCORD thinks you're too dangerous and powerful a merc, and keep an eye on you) 10) Legendary More interesting and varied names can be done than the examples I gave, but you get the point. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3102	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:23:00 - [2] - Quote Mercenary bands do use ranks like this. Sorry, but no go on this. Now, if you come up with something better than "tier" plus number, I might reconsider. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Miokai Zahou WarRavens Capital Punishment. 433	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:34:00 - [3] - Quote I like my rank leave it alone. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11853	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:34:00 - [4] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Mercenary bands do use ranks like this. Sorry, but no go on this. Now, if you come up with something better than "tier" plus number, I might reconsider. Mercenary ranks do have ranks like this, I know that, but you're missing the point. Even if you haven't part of a mercenary corp in Dust, you still have the ranks, that doesn't make sense. Even if you are part of of mercenary corp in Dust, the ranks are totally irrelevant to your position in the corp, someone with the rank of general could be the lowest ranking member of the corp, which makes the word "general" meaningless. I'm fine with corporation members having titles like these if those ranks are provided internally by the corporation's CEO or directors, but this is not currently how it works. Futhermore, I already explained that my suggestions were just examples. I'm not even sure you fully read my original post because I covered your complaints. No one should be titled things like general unless they're in charge of leading an army. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16337	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:36:00 - [5] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: I like my rank leave it alone. I don't like your rank so change it. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16338	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:39:00 - [6] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Mercenary bands do use ranks like this. Sorry, but no go on this. Now, if you come up with something better than "tier" plus number, I might reconsider. No they don't. Prove to me where an Amarrian, Minmatar, Caldari, or Gallente mercenary band uses these ranks in context within New Eden. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3535	Posted - 2014.12.29 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote Loyalty ranks are just a pointless aur-meter and since they are like that it's probably better to stay like they are now. If they turn it into a lore based ranking system, than they should change their meter and actually RANK a merc. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1831	Posted - 2014.12.30 00:10:00 - [8] - Quote these are loyalty ranks to the game not to any corp/faction etc. All Hail Legion
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11856	Posted - 2014.12.30 00:14:00 - [9] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: these are loyalty ranks to the game not to any corp/faction etc. Which is breaking it's own lore. Changing some names and titles around won't hurt anything, and will make things more internally consistent. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6637	Posted - 2014.12.30 00:36:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Mercenary bands do use ranks like this. Sorry, but no go on this. Now, if you come up with something better than "tier" plus number, I might reconsider. No they don't. Prove to me where an Amarrian, Minmatar, Caldari, or Gallente mercenary band uses these ranks in context within New Eden. I think he meant real life. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 508	Posted - 2014.12.30 00:47:00 - [11] - Quote Nice change to the title. When the talks of adding Loyalty Ranks to the game came along I asked myself "Loyal to what? To CCP? Our corp? FW?" So changing Loyalty Rank to Mercenary Rank seems to make more sense. Changes to Damage mods!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1831	Posted - 2014.12.30 01:05:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: these are loyalty ranks to the game not to any corp/faction etc. Which is breaking it's own lore. Changing some names and titles around won't hurt anything, and will make things more internally consistent. but a change to a name/title doesn't change what the loyalty rank is for. you could call them all scrub 1-15 and it will be no different to private upto whatever lvl15 is or whatever names you come up with. ifs its just a name change your after then perhaps they should just call them level1-15 and be done with it All Hail Legion
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11857	Posted - 2014.12.30 01:06:00 - [13] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: these are loyalty ranks to the game not to any corp/faction etc. Which is breaking it's own lore. Changing some names and titles around won't hurt anything, and will make things more internally consistent. but a change to a name/title doesn't change what the loyalty rank is for. you could call them all scrub 1-15 and it will be no different to private upto whatever lvl15 is or whatever names you come up with. ifs its just a name change your after then perhaps they should just call them level1-15 and be done with it What do you think I was after? Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 748	Posted - 2014.12.30 01:13:00 - [14] - Quote I'd rather see both somehow. I like the loyalty ranks (although I wish they were race specific.) But I wouldn't mind seeing something like this too. I'd like it if AFK-ing and quitting matches early caused your rank to suffer greatly Who cares what some sniper has to say
Miokai Zahou WarRavens Capital Punishment. 434	Posted - 2014.12.30 01:46:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I like my rank leave it alone. I don't like your rank so change it. But to what I ask? I like my rank as is because it shows the dedication I've placed into this game which can be reflected in kill feeds and my increased rewards. Don't worry though I'll be reaching rank 12 soon anyway. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3636	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:41:00 - [16] - Quote notr necessary....military ranks are fine the way they are. Much more important things to change, fix, update than the names of the levels we've earned. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11863	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:44:00 - [17] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: True Adamance wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I like my rank leave it alone. I don't like your rank so change it. But to what I ask? I like my rank as is because it shows the dedication I've placed into this game which can be reflected in kill feeds and my increased rewards. Don't worry though I'll be reaching rank 12 soon anyway. I don't know why you're so hung up on the specifics. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11863	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:45:00 - [18] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: notr necessary....military ranks are fine the way they are. Much more important things to change, fix, update than the names of the levels we've earned. Right, like changing a few names takes thaaaat much time and resources that it would detract from more important work Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9008	Posted - 2014.12.30 04:53:00 - [19] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: notr necessary....military ranks are fine the way they are. Much more important things to change, fix, update than the names of the levels we've earned. Right, like changing a few names takes thaaaat much time and resources that it would detract from more important work Seriously, if CCP can make changes to things that absolutely no one complained about or wanted they can make a small change to something like this that doesn't take a lot and the community also wants it . CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 2053	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:05:00 - [20] - Quote You all have it wrong, this 'rank' is actually your rank in the Icelandic / Chinese cooperative military recruitment program codenamed 'Dust 514'. Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9010	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:07:00 - [21] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: You all have it wrong, this 'rank' is actually your rank in the Icelandic / Chinese cooperative military recruitment program codenamed 'Dust 514'. All hail the glorious leader CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 118	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:25:00 - [22] - Quote 1. petty criminal 2. on the run molester 3. thrill seeker 4. broke down drunk ex military 5. murderer 6. 3rd world SOF "wanna be" 7. TIER 1 pretender
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9010	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:27:00 - [23] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: 1. petty criminal 2. on the run molester 3. thrill seeker 4. broke down drunk ex military 5. murderer 6. 3rd world SOF "wanna be" 7. TIER 1 pretender 8. CCP Management CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3638	Posted - 2014.12.30 05:54:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: not necessary....military ranks are fine the way they are. Much more important things to change, fix, update than the names of the levels we've earned. Right, like changing a few names takes thaaaat much time and resources that it would detract from more important work I'm not a coder or developer....I don't know the process of actually coming up with an approved list from community or CCP. Neither do I know what it takes to simply change the names in the game. I'm just saying...title of our ranks is such an insignificant request to make. Edit: Rereading the post, realize this was just a suggestion for the community to discuss. At first read, I thought it was a suggestion for CCP to think about now. So....never mind my post. But will still add.....if list is going to change then make it something cool rather than "Rank 1, Rank 2, Intern 1, Intern 2, etc". Military ranks are good, which is why I don't mind what it is now. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
The-Errorist 938	Posted - 2014.12.30 07:42:00 - [25] - Quote I support this initiative. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill AKA Enkouyami (Main PSN).
Zepod Titans of Phoenix 50	Posted - 2014.12.30 07:49:00 - [26] - Quote I say we change it to Contributor Rank You may not like what I just said, but you know it's true...
H0riz0n Unlimit Dead Man's Game 280	Posted - 2014.12.30 11:46:00 - [27] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Lore-wise they are pretty stupid. We're not part of a military, we're just mercenaries, yet somehow we get military ranks. It would be one thing if the corporations we belonged to gave us ranks (since corps are essentially private militaries), but everyone just gets these ranks from seemingly nowhere. Military ranks denote some sort of hierarchical command structure, yet we mercs don't necessarily operate with any command structure. We get ranks like "Brigadier", yet we're not in charge of brigades. I'm willing to pretend that there is some organization in New Eden that gives us these ranks (probably CONCORD), but the names need to change: The term "Loyalty Ranks" is an odd name since "loyalty" usually means something related to faction warffare (like the Loyalty Store, and Loyalty Points). In the lore, what does the "Loyalty" in "Loyalty Rank" referring to anyway? Instead of "loyalty ranks", it should just be called "Mercenary Rating". The rank titles should be changed to something that does not denote responsibilities that we don't have. The ranks should just reflect our experience and abilities. Example: MERCENARY RATINGS 1) Recruit Tier 1 2) Recruit Tier 2 3) Combatant Tier 1 4) Combatant Tier 2 5) Advanced Tier 1 6) Advanced Tier 2 7) Veteran Tier 1 8) Veteran Tier 2 9) Interstellar Threat (perhaps CONCORD thinks you're too dangerous and powerful a merc, and keep an eye on you) 10) Legendary More interesting and varied names can be done than the examples I gave, but you get the point. On Trello for voting. EDIT: I'm going to try to make this more clear. Ranks should be for organizations you fight for, or belong to. That means ranks they should be provided by your corp, or the faction you fight for in Faction Warfare. Furthermore, ranks should reflect your responsibilities. Ranks like "Brigadier", "Colonel", and "General" for example are for people with the responsibility of leading significant chunks of an army. Loyalty Ranks DO NOT come from your supported faction, and DO NOT come from your corporation. Loyalty ranks DO NOT reflect your responsibilities. This is why I want to turn loyalty ranks into a rating system of how dangerous or experienced you are. till it remains a stat of who spend more money in dust i cant care less of loyalty rank, if it turbs in something useful maybe i can suggest something The KTM DuKe lives here, send a message after the "beep".One of the few vehiculist remained in dust 514
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 20588	Posted - 2014.12.30 11:58:00 - [28] - Quote While we're at it, can we fix the system so a -ú10 AUR pack isn't worth more loyalty rank points than 5,000 battles? Sometimes, one just has an overwhelming urge to throw a potato at someone.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11881	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:32:00 - [29] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: While we're at it, can we fix the system so a -ú10 AUR pack isn't worth more loyalty rank points than 5,000 battles? Agreed Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+


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