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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:52:00 -
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The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1399
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Posted - 2014.12.28 05:57:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers.
Armor isn't that OP, it's just that shield damaging weapons are "Too" good at killing shields. ScR has one of the highest DPS in the game and against shield it has DPS of above 1000. That in my opinion is a problem. I think efficiencies need to be worked.
ScR +10% shield/-10% armor
CR -7.5% shield/ +7.5% armor
AR +5% shield/-5%armor
EcT.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3619
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:10:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Armor isn't that OP, it's just that shield damaging weapons are "Too" good at killing shields. ScR has one of the highest DPS in the game and against shield it has DPS of above 1000. That in my opinion is a problem. I think efficiencies need to be worked. ScR +10% shield/-10% armor CR -7.5% shield/ +7.5% armor AR +5% shield/-5%armor EcT.
The ability to use damage mods is truly my issue with armor tanking vs shield tanking. Scr rifles are ridiculous..especially to shields. But couple that with the ability to use damage mods and still have over 700 hp of health....how can you compete in a cal suit?
My proposal doesn't nerf armor tanking at all...it just allows shield tankers to slightly even the score.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
481
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:16:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers.
Now you hit it. You reached maximum stupidity.
Doing so would completely kill armor tanking. Since the only worth while mods tge armor tankers have for the high slots are damage mods.
Shields on Gallente and Amarr suits are too low to make use of Extenders, Recharges or Emergizers.
Moving damage modd to low will create shiled suits to be incredibly OP more so than what you guys proclaim armor is op.
You guys will have speed, high tank, high regen and deal a lot of damage.
While armor gets high tank, slow movibilty and slow regen.
The link in my sig provides a better fix than this.
Changes to Damage mods!
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
481
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:31:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Armor isn't that OP, it's just that shield damaging weapons are "Too" good at killing shields. ScR has one of the highest DPS in the game and against shield it has DPS of above 1000. That in my opinion is a problem. I think efficiencies need to be worked. ScR +10% shield/-10% armor CR -7.5% shield/ +7.5% armor AR +5% shield/-5%armor EcT. The ability to use damage mods is truly my issue with armor tanking vs shield tanking. Scr rifles are ridiculous..especially to shields. But couple that with the ability to use damage mods and still have over 700 hp of health....how can you compete in a cal suit? My proposal doesn't nerf armor tanking at all...it just allows shield tankers to slightly even the score.
Just like CR and MDs are extremely effective against armor.
Changes to Damage mods!
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3619
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:34:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Now you hit it. You reached maximum stupidity. Doing so would completely kill armor tanking. Since the only worth while mods tge armor tankers have for the high slots are damage mods. Shields on Gallente and Amarr suits are too low to make use of Extenders, Recharges or Emergizers. Moving damage modd to low will create shiled suits to be incredibly OP more so than what you guys proclaim armor is op. You guys will have speed, high tank, high regen and deal a lot of damage. While armor gets high tank, slow movibilty and slow regen. The link in my sig provides a better fix than this.
Speaking of stupidity, if you read the thread....you will have read that I suggest that damage mods be in the high slots as well as the low slots for balance.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
1831
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:34:00 -
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Lolno.
Likes for likes also cake.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3619
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:37:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Armor isn't that OP, it's just that shield damaging weapons are "Too" good at killing shields. ScR has one of the highest DPS in the game and against shield it has DPS of above 1000. That in my opinion is a problem. I think efficiencies need to be worked. ScR +10% shield/-10% armor CR -7.5% shield/ +7.5% armor AR +5% shield/-5%armor EcT. The ability to use damage mods is truly my issue with armor tanking vs shield tanking. Scr rifles are ridiculous..especially to shields. But couple that with the ability to use damage mods and still have over 700 hp of health....how can you compete in a cal suit? My proposal doesn't nerf armor tanking at all...it just allows shield tankers to slightly even the score. Just like CR and MDs are extremely effective against armor.
You're like a nagging wife just looking for things to complain about. Your last post is such a reach.
The CR doesn't deal 20% to armor like the scr rifle does to shield. If the CR did that much damage to armor, then maybe you may have something to talk about.
The MD is an explosive, dude....but since you want to talk explosives, flux grenade will totally wipe out our shields and it doesn't even have to hit you directly. You just have to be in the blast radius. So, tell me more about how bad armor tankers have it.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3619
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Posted - 2014.12.28 06:38:00 -
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Why not though? It doesn't even hurt armor tankers
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16310
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:17:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers.
Yeah damage modules always should have been in the low slots.
However we have to put something or a few things in the high slots to allow armour tankers to do something.
Could be heatsinks? Or could be Kin Kats (since prop modules are mid slots), or any of the other biotics ones like the Cardiac Regulators, code breakers, etc.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1321
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:19:00 -
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in eve damage mods are low slot mods already. and they provide rof boosts by 10%
kincats and cardiac regs should be highslot mods. and damage mods should go low.
it should be the same in eve.
that way you have cardiac regs and platestacking for amarr. relentless hulking beasts that can run continuously
and gallante suits that are lightly armored and fast so they can close the distance for their naturally highdamage weapons.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3620
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Yeah damage modules always should have been in the low slots. However we have to put something or a few things in the high slots to allow armour tankers to do something. Could be heatsinks? Or could be Kin Kats (since prop modules are mid slots), or any of the other biotics ones like the Cardiac Regulators, code breakers, etc.
I'm not sure if this is in CCP's image but I don't have a problem with damage mods being in the high slots for armor tankers. I'd just like damage mods to be in the low slots as well. Because putting damage mods in only high OR low slots will tip the balance .
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
4058
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:21:00 -
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Sounds like some QQ armor nerds are here.
I use all suits and cal is by far the weakest, why? Because 2-3 damage mods makes a difference.. You're the fkn stupid one mate, shields can not be repped or use triage hives, when shot they completely stop recharging and has to recount the recharge time whereas armor never stops repping oh and they get DMG mods too?
DMG mods should be both high and low not one or the other.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1321
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:26:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Sounds like some QQ armor nerds are here.
I use all suits and cal is by far the weakest, why? Because 2-3 damage mods makes a difference.. You're the fkn stupid one mate, shields can not be repped or use triage hives, when shot they completely stop recharging and has to recount the recharge time whereas armor never stops repping oh and they get DMG mods too?
DMG mods should be both high and low not one or the other.
no thats not how it works in eve.
everything has a counter. it cant be allowed for everyone to use freely.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1321
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Yeah damage modules always should have been in the low slots. However we have to put something or a few things in the high slots to allow armour tankers to do something. Could be heatsinks? Or could be Kin Kats (since prop modules are mid slots), or any of the other biotics ones like the Cardiac Regulators, code breakers, etc.
thats whats always been wrong with armor tanking.
if you dont use a damage mod or shield mod theres literally nothing else for you to use in the highslots.
so it encouraged brick tanking and damage mod stacking.
if it followed the eve formula from the get go itd never have been an issue.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
4058
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Posted - 2014.12.28 07:36:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Sounds like some QQ armor nerds are here.
I use all suits and cal is by far the weakest, why? Because 2-3 damage mods makes a difference.. You're the fkn stupid one mate, shields can not be repped or use triage hives, when shot they completely stop recharging and has to recount the recharge time whereas armor never stops repping oh and they get DMG mods too?
DMG mods should be both high and low not one or the other. no thats not how it works in eve. everything has a counter. it cant be allowed for everyone to use freely.
This is dust not eve.
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killian178
59
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Posted - 2014.12.28 13:54:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Now you hit it. You reached maximum stupidity. Doing so would completely kill armor tanking. Since the only worth while mods tge armor tankers have for the high slots are damage mods. Shields on Gallente and Amarr suits are too low to make use of Extenders, Recharges or Emergizers. Moving damage modd to low will create shiled suits to be incredibly OP more so than what you guys proclaim armor is op. You guys will have speed, high tank, high regen and deal a lot of damage. While armor gets high tank, slow movibilty and slow regen. The link in my sig provides a better fix than this.
You didnt notice the part where he said in ether high or low slots huh
Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3625
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Posted - 2014.12.29 02:31:00 -
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killian178 wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Now you hit it. You reached maximum stupidity. Doing so would completely kill armor tanking. Since the only worth while mods tge armor tankers have for the high slots are damage mods. Shields on Gallente and Amarr suits are too low to make use of Extenders, Recharges or Emergizers. Moving damage modd to low will create shiled suits to be incredibly OP more so than what you guys proclaim armor is op. You guys will have speed, high tank, high regen and deal a lot of damage. While armor gets high tank, slow movibilty and slow regen. The link in my sig provides a better fix than this. You didnt notice the part where he said in ether high or low slots huh
Sometimes it's hard to read, I guess
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Kain Spero
Goonfeet
4080
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Posted - 2014.12.29 02:40:00 -
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What if instead of damage mods in the lows we got ROF mods instead?
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
4066
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:32:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:What if instead of damage mods in the lows we got ROF mods instead?
Could heavies use them? I see this being broken with an hmg but I've always liked the idea of a ROF mod.. Like when cod had double tap
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
4067
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:40:00 -
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Okay Ydubbs, I like you so I'm hijacking your thread. Instead of deciding what goes where how bout we start coming up with mods we'd like implemented and whether they should be high/low and how they should work. Like Kain says I'd like a ROF mod maybe a range or accuracy mod
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killian178
60
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Posted - 2014.12.29 03:52:00 -
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Personally, i think think should be mid range mods.
Highs for shields and cpu maybe, lows for armor and pg, then your mids coyld be more like utility, code breakers, dmg mods, new mods even.
And example would be a proto cal ass
H:3
M:1
L:1
And a cal logi might be
H:2
M:3
L:1
All pg cpu blah blah could be math crunch-itizied-¬ with much deliberating and bad languge as the forums could muster.
I just believe that might even be easier to balance, given that you could show a races specializations more and exploit them. Though room should still be left for thw crafty few, and those that like nich fits. Or is it too late and i need to go to sleep
Every commando k.o, every weapon at adv or above. Don't give a damn bout my kdr, I will kill you.
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Jathniel
G I A N T
1374
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Posted - 2014.12.29 05:19:00 -
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Low slot RoF mods for the low, and High slot damage mods for the high.
I see some interesting glass cannon scout builds coming out of this.
I see Scrambler Rifle lethality going through the roof.
This would actually make Amarr Assaults even more deadly.
I'm all for doing SOMETHING for shield suits, and I like the idea.
But if we go with allowing damage mods for highs and lows, and/or introducing RoF mods, then I can only see putting a limit on this.
If you have one type, you cannot equip the other.
Damage/RoF Mod in high slot, stops Damage and RoF mods from being added to the low slot, and vice versa. That would be the only way to prevent some really stupid game-breaking things from happening.
Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3630
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Posted - 2014.12.29 14:42:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Okay Ydubbs, I like you so I'm hijacking your thread. Instead of deciding what goes where how bout we start coming up with mods we'd like implemented and whether they should be high/low and how they should work. Like Kain says I'd like a ROF mod maybe a range or accuracy mod
Those definitely deserve their own thread because I'd like to see them too
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
6038
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Posted - 2014.12.29 14:56:00 -
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This OP gave me cancer.
However looked at objectively the OP does bring up an excellent point.
Armor tanks rock anywhere up to what +20-ish percent damage on proto suits? Only minmatar and caldari sentinels can mitigate this, even if not well.
Wheras the shield suits have to sacrifice HP and regen to achieve the same feat vs. Armor. Because most armor players utilize the weapons of shield races there is quite a large efficiency disparity from a firepower perspective.
The answer is not to allow damage mods in both slots. The answer is to make low slot shield modules more efficient or to make an alternative weapon mod that behaves differently and provides a clear advantage to shield users.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Kain Spero
Goonfeet
4092
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Posted - 2014.12.29 16:38:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Low slot RoF mods for the low, and High slot damage mods for the high.
I see some interesting glass cannon scout builds coming out of this.
I see Scrambler Rifle lethality going through the roof.
This would actually make Amarr Assaults even more deadly.
I'm all for doing SOMETHING for shield suits, and I like the idea.
But if we go with allowing damage mods for highs and lows, and/or introducing RoF mods, then I can only see putting a limit on this.
If you have one type, you cannot equip the other.
Damage/RoF Mod in high slot, stops Damage and RoF mods from being added to the low slot, and vice versa. That would be the only way to prevent some really stupid game-breaking things from happening.
I like the idea of one or the other. Alternatively you could make the efficacy of the mods sink through the floor is you have both equipped.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
1609
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:52:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers.
How would this help shield suits .?. most armor suits have one or two high slots where you might get three in a PRO suit .
The same number that a shield suit can take advantage of and the fact that Caldari suits have the same amount reversed that a armor suit has . You would actually kill shield suits unless it's a Min suit with this proposal , so you would actually see more people using Min suits to even out the deficiencies .
You already don't want Caldari to dual tank , shield extenders have delay penalties and this would make fitting damage mods and regulators a tough fix , thus cutting the damage power of the Caldari to a third of there current rate coupled with the extended delay rate from the extenders and no way to reduce it if your already lacking lows and using one regulator .
This is just one more thing to change this game for the worst .
I can't wait until the shut off the servers because some of the things that you people come up with is ..... everything that works in EVE will not work for Dust and you people just can't get that threw your heads and why would you want the same mechanics anyway for two totally different games ???
Yes same universe but totally different games .
Sometimes it's best to leave well enough alone and fix what's REALLY wrong .
Edit : Caldari already has the lowest armor rep rates .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3636
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Posted - 2014.12.30 05:02:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:What if instead of damage mods in the lows we got ROF mods instead?
I would be ok with that. So, instead of a universal mod, we get a mod that will increase dps as well in the low slot? I'm for it....+1
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3636
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Posted - 2014.12.30 05:03:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Low slot RoF mods for the low, and High slot damage mods for the high.
I see some interesting glass cannon scout builds coming out of this.
I see Scrambler Rifle lethality going through the roof.
This would actually make Amarr Assaults even more deadly.
I'm all for doing SOMETHING for shield suits, and I like the idea.
But if we go with allowing damage mods for highs and lows, and/or introducing RoF mods, then I can only see putting a limit on this.
If you have one type, you cannot equip the other.
Damage/RoF Mod in high slot, stops Damage and RoF mods from being added to the low slot, and vice versa. That would be the only way to prevent some really stupid game-breaking things from happening.
You make a good point.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
335
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Posted - 2014.12.30 05:06:00 -
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Using shields is proven to be better than using damage mods.
why would +1.5 damage per round on a 30 damage per shot rifle even make a difference at all! compared to 300 shields!
move on from the days of the old damage mods, and actually do some maths :P
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3636
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Posted - 2014.12.30 05:07:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. How would this help shield suits .?. most armor suits have one or two high slots where you might get three in a PRO suit . The same number that a shield suit can take advantage of and the fact that Caldari suits have the same amount reversed that a armor suit has . You would actually kill shield suits unless it's a Min suit with this proposal , so you would actually see more people using Min suits to even out the deficiencies . You already don't want Caldari to dual tank , shield extenders have delay penalties and this would make fitting damage mods and regulators a tough fix , thus cutting the damage power of the Caldari to a third of there current rate coupled with the extended delay rate from the extenders and no way to reduce it if your already lacking lows and using one regulator . This is just one more thing to change this game for the worst . I can't wait until the shut off the servers because some of the things that you people come up with is ..... everything that works in EVE will not work for Dust and you people just can't get that threw your heads and why would you want the same mechanics anyway for two totally different games ??? Yes same universe but totally different games . Sometimes it's best to leave well enough alone and fix what's REALLY wrong . Edit : Caldari already has the lowest armor rep rates . I see where your making it for both highs and lows but it still seems un necessary . It's fine the way it is now .
I don't even play EVE...this has nothing to do with making what works on eve, works on dust.
The option will be there...whether a guy chooses to equip those damage mods or continue with the fits they have now will rest in their hands. But at least the option will be there to even up the playing field, if the merc chooses.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3637
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Posted - 2014.12.30 05:10:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Using shields is proven to be better than using damage mods.
why would +1.5 damage per round on a 30 damage per shot rifle even make a difference at all! compared to 300 shields!
move on from the days of the old damage mods, and actually do some maths :P
Because you would get to keep those 300 shields and deal 1.7 (or higher if you stack) damage per round to their armor, while they're doing that to your shields coupled with +20% effiiciency coming from scrambler rifles.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Zepod
Titans of Phoenix
50
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Posted - 2014.12.30 07:45:00 -
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Personally, I think that you should have to choose between high HP and high DPS. However, I believe that there simply isn't enough modules worth using for Armor Tankers.
Perhaps the creation of a Heat Sink Modules would allow such a change to happen smoothly.
Kain Spero wrote:ROF mods instead?
I don't think that's a good idea as a ROF buff would make the vast majority of weapons in the game broken.
You may not like what I just said, but you know it's true...
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1456
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Posted - 2014.12.30 18:05:00 -
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No. You can run most types EWAR in low slots without sacrificing HP. You get your niche we get ours.
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2014.12.30 19:12:00 -
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Suure... only if we get codebreakers & biotics for high slots.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.30 21:47:00 -
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you want damage mods for low slots? well then give armor tanks hi slot modules that are worth using.
shield tanks have regulators, damps, kin cats, armor reps are always great to extend your HP, and more. you have to understand that armor is most common because of map design and objective based gameplay coupled with fluxes.
shields are not good if you fight for objectives or at chokes, you will just get cooked flux grenades into the face which you wont be able to evade due to the big blast radius (if cooked properly you anyway wont be able to evade it so...). defending does not work so well if your tank is nullified.
beside that, there is not much of value for combat that you can fit into hi slots. one precision enhancer at most to detect damped assaults at close range behind walls or to see proto equipment better.
if Myofibrils would e.g. additionally reduce armor plate penalty, I would instantly exchange some of the damage mods for them.
also shield tanks have room for a single damage mod while still having good hp additionally to their beastly regeneration. I dont see a problem. alot of caldari or minmatar fits include a damage mod. |
Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.31 00:48:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:you want damage mods for low slots? well then give armor tanks hi slot modules that are worth using.
shield tanks have regulators, damps, kin cats, armor reps are always great to extend your HP, and more. you have to understand that armor is most common because of map design and objective based gameplay coupled with fluxes.
shields are not good if you fight for objectives or at chokes, you will just get cooked flux grenades into the face which you wont be able to evade due to the big blast radius (if cooked properly you anyway wont be able to evade it so...). defending does not work so well if your tank is nullified.
beside that, there is not much of value for combat that you can fit into hi slots. one precision enhancer at most to detect damped assaults at close range behind walls or to see proto equipment better.
if Myofibrils would e.g. additionally reduce armor plate penalty, I would instantly exchange some of the damage mods for them.
also shield tanks have room for a single damage mod while still having good hp additionally to their beastly regeneration. I dont see a problem. alot of caldari or minmatar fits include a damage mod.
Good point
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Bojo The Mighty
Condor Squad
5358
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Posted - 2014.12.31 02:48:00 -
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Request: Speed Mods and Profile Dampeners in High slots
See that.....that's what you just did
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2014.12.31 11:29:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Suure... only if we get codebreakers & biotics for high slots.
I am all for that.
Not only that, but I'll up the ante for you; a weapon mod in the high slot that reduces kick/dispersion.
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Gyn Wallace
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
173
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Posted - 2014.12.31 15:32:00 -
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Why do we even have a hard distinction between high and low slots, instead of a CPU/PG or efficiency penalty?
Tweaking the penalty would let Ratatti increase or decrease the degree of racial distinction at will. Races or shield vs. armor tanking becoming too distinct? Lower the penalty. Instead of 200% CPU/PG cost for fitting a high slot module in a low slot (or vice versa), it drops to 180% CPU/PG penalty. If one suit becomes FOTM, drop its CPU/PG...
Racial distinctions in Dust are basically Barbie-dolls-in-space-fashion-nonsense anyway. /ducks
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.01.01 01:04:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Low slot RoF mods for the low, and High slot damage mods for the high.
I see some interesting glass cannon scout builds coming out of this.
I see Scrambler Rifle lethality going through the roof.
This would actually make Amarr Assaults even more deadly.
I'm all for doing SOMETHING for shield suits, and I like the idea.
But if we go with allowing damage mods for highs and lows, and/or introducing RoF mods, then I can only see putting a limit on this.
If you have one type, you cannot equip the other.
Damage/RoF Mod in high slot, stops Damage and RoF mods from being added to the low slot, and vice versa. That would be the only way to prevent some really stupid game-breaking things from happening.
I think you could just make an increase in stacking penalties for offensive mods, make them a little more CPU / PG hungry, and call it good.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
754
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Posted - 2015.01.01 01:28:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:The biggest advantage that an armor tanked suit has to shield tankers is the ability to use dmg mods without sacrificing their primary hp. Allow damage mods to be used in either low or high slots and that will bring about some balance between shield and armor tankers. Now you hit it. You reached maximum stupidity. Doing so would completely kill armor tanking. Since the only worth while mods tge armor tankers have for the high slots are damage mods. Shields on Gallente and Amarr suits are too low to make use of Extenders, Recharges or Emergizers. Moving damage modd to low will create shiled suits to be incredibly OP more so than what you guys proclaim armor is op. You guys will have speed, high tank, high regen and deal a lot of damage.
You can only pick two.
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Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
754
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Posted - 2015.01.01 01:30:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:What if instead of damage mods in the lows we got ROF mods instead?
Yes, how useful would it be with the mule kick of the rail rifles?
/sarcasm
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Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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