DUST Search - Weapon Optimal Ranges PLEASE

MrShooter01 wrote:

Oh cool I have a place to post this now

I too am annoyed at the lack of optimal range information aside from the rare dev post/blog discussing balance changes (THEY DON'T EXACTLY HIDE THIS **** IN EVE ONLINE)

So during **** matches where my team is getting roflstomped I got the idea to reverse engineer the optimal range by watching the efficiency change on some starter fit sniper blueberry and writing it all down on a notepad

I'm missing some stuff like the HMG, snipers, and projectile launching things(MD, PLC, flaylock, etc), the formatting is ugly, and some numbers may be inaccurate due to my "assistants" squirming around, but its the most effort I felt like putting into it right now so deal with it

OPTIMAL RANGES
(plasma) Assault Rifle: 45m, Breach 48ish (may have been nerfed recently) Tactical 65m, burst 55m

Scrambler Rifle: 75m, Assault SR ~55m
Rail Rifle: std 73 assault 70m
Combat Rifle: ~66m, assault ~52m

SMG: breach/std 28m, assault ~30m
magsec ~43m

ion pistol ~20m
bolt pistol ~47m
Scrambler pistol: 30m

Laser Rifle: Maximum damage occurs between 60m and 100m, half-ish damage between 0 and 60m, rapid drop to crap damage beyond 100

Shotguns: 4m breach 5m

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zzZaXxx The Exemplars 708	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:04:00 - [1] - Quote Where oh where on God's green internet can I find them??????????????????
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3503	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:12:00 - [2] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Where oh where on God's green internet can I find them?????????????????? CCP doesn't like optimal range so you won't ever find these values. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 708	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:20:00 - [3] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Where oh where on God's green internet can I find them?????????????????? CCP doesn't like optimal range so you won't ever find these values. WWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14118	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:33:00 - [4] - Quote For some reason the SDE doesn't contain optimal ranges, only effective. So unless you can find old balancing threads, you won't find them. I know that the Duvolle has 40m optimal and 70m effective. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3504	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:40:00 - [5] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Where oh where on God's green internet can I find them?????????????????? CCP doesn't like optimal range so you won't ever find these values. WWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! CCP like sto balance with effective range, although imo Effective range doesn't mean crap for gallente weapons. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8977	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:56:00 - [6] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: Where oh where on God's green internet can I find them?????????????????? CCP doesn't like optimal range so you won't ever find these values. WWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! CCP like sto balance with effective range, although imo Effective range doesn't mean crap for gallente weapons. Seriously we might as well be given more optimal range and then absolutely no falloff range. It's not like we'd miss it CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 1235	Posted - 2014.12.27 19:33:00 - [7] - Quote Oh cool I have a place to post this now I too am annoyed at the lack of optimal range information aside from the rare dev post/blog discussing balance changes (THEY DON'T EXACTLY HIDE THIS ** IN EVE ONLINE) So during matches where my team is getting roflstomped I got the idea to reverse engineer the optimal range by watching the efficiency change on some starter fit sniper blueberry and writing it all down on a notepad I'm missing some stuff like the HMG, snipers, and projectile launching things(MD, PLC, flaylock, etc), the formatting is ugly, and some numbers may be inaccurate due to my "assistants" squirming around, but its the most effort I felt like putting into it right now so deal with it OPTIMAL RANGES** (plasma) Assault Rifle: 45m, Breach 48ish (may have been nerfed recently) Tactical 65m, burst 55m Scrambler Rifle: 75m, Assault SR ~55m Rail Rifle: std 73 assault 70m Combat Rifle: ~66m, assault ~52m SMG: breach/std 28m, assault ~30m magsec ~43m ion pistol ~20m bolt pistol ~47m Scrambler pistol: 30m Laser Rifle: Maximum damage occurs between 60m and 100m, half-ish damage between 0 and 60m, rapid drop to crap damage beyond 100 Shotguns: 4m breach 5m
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1656	Posted - 2014.12.27 22:01:00 - [8] - Quote Google and Dust Wiki are your friends. CCP hates you, and Rattati secretly wants to own your soul in order to siphon all the ideas from it. Why are you still reading this useless bit of text? The only part you needed to know was in the first four words. Seriously, GTFO and PTFO! ... if PSN will let you sign in anyways~ I want to punch.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1644	Posted - 2014.12.28 02:25:00 - [9] - Quote Try awesome Mr Musta Tornius' list! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886 Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2787	Posted - 2014.12.28 03:04:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: For some reason the SDE doesn't contain optimal ranges, only effective. So unless you can find old balancing threads, you won't find them. I know that the Duvolle has 40m optimal and 70m effective. Which is sad... Because games like Planetside 2 has verry very detailed gun information... TO the point of people doing reviews on the weapon going over every statistic... To what ranges... Average TTK.. everything. Then you come to DUST and it doesn't even give you the bonus damage values from the weapon.. Here is an Example of a Planetside gun Review... Would be nice in DUST. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2IH-KydIQ0
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4055	Posted - 2014.12.28 03:20:00 - [11] - Quote Send in a support ticket then make a post for us =ƒÿ£ Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 710	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:00:00 - [12] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Try awesome Mr Musta Tornius' list! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40886 Completely outdated and worthless, but thanks. EDIT: Though the tips on how to see for yourself the optimal range by aiming at a turret and backing up is very useful.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 710	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:03:00 - [13] - Quote Someone please do the turret thing with all rifles and sidearms and post it here. CCP shouldn't make us go through this but the community would benefit a lot from this knowledge.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 710	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:10:00 - [14] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: OPTIMAL RANGES Tactical Assault Rifle: 65m, Scrambler Rifle: 75m Let's confirm that this is true because right now the TAR looks better on paper but 10m more optimal range is huge. Seems a bit odd though because the SCR's effective range (96m) is only 6m more than the TAR's (90m).
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5261	Posted - 2014.12.28 06:16:00 - [15] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: Oh cool I have a place to post this now I too am annoyed at the lack of optimal range information aside from the rare dev post/blog discussing balance changes (THEY DON'T EXACTLY HIDE THIS ** IN EVE ONLINE) So during matches where my team is getting roflstomped I got the idea to reverse engineer the optimal range by watching the efficiency change on some starter fit sniper blueberry and writing it all down on a notepad I'm missing some stuff like the HMG, snipers, and projectile launching things(MD, PLC, flaylock, etc), the formatting is ugly, and some numbers may be inaccurate due to my "assistants" squirming around, but its the most effort I felt like putting into it right now so deal with it OPTIMAL RANGES** (plasma) Assault Rifle: 45m, Breach 48ish (may have been nerfed recently) Tactical 65m, burst 55m Scrambler Rifle: 75m, Assault SR ~55m Rail Rifle: std 73 assault 70m Combat Rifle: ~66m, assault ~52m SMG: breach/std 28m, assault ~30m magsec ~43m ion pistol ~20m bolt pistol ~47m Scrambler pistol: 30m Laser Rifle: Maximum damage occurs between 60m and 100m, half-ish damage between 0 and 60m, rapid drop to crap damage beyond 100 Shotguns: 4m breach 5m Vanilla Shotgun optimal is 5m, too, and I'm pretty sure the ARR has a bit less optimal than that, but I'm not too sure.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 713	Posted - 2014.12.29 05:55:00 - [16] - Quote bump

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