DUST Search - weapon mod variations

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

I fully support this idea, though I think the heat buildup is too op to use. That mechanic is the one limiting thing on those types of weaponry, removing that would make them OP (especially using them on an Amarr Assault). A cool down bonus would be better imo and just as useful.

I'm just going to point out that if you ever want to see people stop using Triple Damage modded Viziams, you're going to have to add Heat Sinks. And 3 Complex ones on an Amarr Assault should prevent overheating altogether, or you'll still get damage mods.

Period.
I wouldn't trade out even 4% damage on my ScR for a 50% boost in mag size or a 50% boost in accuracy, or even a range boost. Because all those are worthless in an ScR. Damage and heat are the only two things worth augmenting on an ScR.

Mag size is irrelevant. You'll always overheat beforehand. I'll just use the recent magazine "nerf" as my evidence. It really wasn't even a nerf, because it had no affect on the performance of the gun.
Accuracy is already fine. Unless the mod completely removes any kick, I'll just stick with the damage mods.
More range is semi useful, but I've got a damn reflex sight! Consistently hitting people at further than 70m is already pretty damn hard, so why would I want to increase it?

Give me a heat sink that reduces buildup by 12-13% though? I'll swap out all my damage mods in a heartbeat.

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Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 226	Posted - 2014.12.24 22:25:00 - [1] - Quote Apologies if this has been brought up before, but I had this idea the other night. We currently have damage mods of 3%, 4%, 5% and 8% across light, heavy and sidearms weapons. How about weapon mods which: * increase range * decrease heat build up (of hmg or scr) * increase accuracy * increase clip size Etc etc CPU & PG usage would be the same as well increments to STD/ADV/COMPLEX i.e 3%, 5%, 8% etc. Just a rough idea. Regards.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2719	Posted - 2014.12.25 01:35:00 - [2] - Quote I fully support this idea, though I think the heat buildup is too op to use. That mechanic is the one limiting thing on those types of weaponry, removing that would make them OP (especially using them on an Amarr Assault). A cool down bonus would be better imo and just as useful. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1517	Posted - 2014.12.25 02:05:00 - [3] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I fully support this idea, though I think the heat buildup is too op to use. That mechanic is the one limiting thing on those types of weaponry, removing that would make them OP (especially using them on an Amarr Assault). A cool down bonus would be better imo and just as useful. I'm just going to point out that if you ever want to see people stop using Triple Damage modded Viziams, you're going to have to add Heat Sinks. And 3 Complex ones on an Amarr Assault should prevent overheating altogether, or you'll still get damage mods. Period. I wouldn't trade out even 4% damage on my ScR for a 50% boost in mag size or a 50% boost in accuracy, or even a range boost. Because all those are worthless in an ScR. Damage and heat are the only two things worth augmenting on an ScR. Mag size is irrelevant. You'll always overheat beforehand. I'll just use the recent magazine "nerf" as my evidence. It really wasn't even a nerf, because it had no affect on the performance of the gun. Accuracy is already fine. Unless the mod completely removes any kick, I'll just stick with the damage mods. More range is semi useful, but I've got a damn reflex sight! Consistently hitting people at further than 70m is already pretty damn hard, so why would I want to increase it? Give me a heat sink that reduces buildup by 12-13% though? I'll swap out all my damage mods in a heartbeat. Someone's gotta tell the stupids that their ideas are bad, and I guess it's my job... Armor has always been bad.
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 226	Posted - 2014.12.25 02:14:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I fully support this idea, though I think the heat buildup is too op to use. That mechanic is the one limiting thing on those types of weaponry, removing that would make them OP (especially using them on an Amarr Assault). A cool down bonus would be better imo and just as useful. I'm just going to point out that if you ever want to see people stop using Triple Damage modded Viziams, you're going to have to add Heat Sinks. And 3 Complex ones on an Amarr Assault should prevent overheating altogether, or you'll still get damage mods. Period. I wouldn't trade out even 4% damage on my ScR for a 50% boost in mag size or a 50% boost in accuracy, or even a range boost. Because all those are worthless in an ScR. Damage and heat are the only two things worth augmenting on an ScR. Mag size is irrelevant. You'll always overheat beforehand. I'll just use the recent magazine "nerf" as my evidence. It really wasn't even a nerf, because it had no affect on the performance of the gun. Accuracy is already fine. Unless the mod completely removes any kick, I'll just stick with the damage mods. More range is semi useful, but I've got a damn reflex sight! Consistently hitting people at further than 70m is already pretty damn hard, so why would I want to increase it? Give me a heat sink that reduces buildup by 12-13% though? I'll swap out all my damage mods in a heartbeat. Understood. But not everyone stacks 3 x damage mods in an Amarr assault with proto ScR although, this is an awsome build.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 474	Posted - 2014.12.25 09:28:00 - [5] - Quote I like this idea, but stacking these would ruin the game IMO. You should only be able to equip one module of the same type, no? I may not have a mic, but trust me, you NEED me in your squad if you want to win. When I'm on a roll, I'm unstoppable.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1728	Posted - 2014.12.25 09:29:00 - [6] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I like this idea, but stacking these would ruin the game IMO. You should only be able to equip one module of the same type, no? Stacking penalties bro... Likes for likes also cake.
Ablerober Mass Defect Binding Energy 228	Posted - 2014.12.25 10:08:00 - [7] - Quote TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I like this idea, but stacking these would ruin the game IMO. You should only be able to equip one module of the same type, no? Yes exactly. I'm not suggesting dedicated weapon mod slots or anything either but you would only be able to apply one weapon mod of each type, including damage mods. Obviously no-one will be able to fit one of each mod, as there will be more mods types than there are available slots.
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 475	Posted - 2014.12.25 10:42:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I like this idea, but stacking these would ruin the game IMO. You should only be able to equip one module of the same type, no? Stacking penalties bro... I said no stacking. I may not have a mic, but trust me, you NEED me in your squad if you want to win. When I'm on a roll, I'm unstoppable.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1742	Posted - 2014.12.25 10:49:00 - [9] - Quote Ablerober wrote: TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote: I like this idea, but stacking these would ruin the game IMO. You should only be able to equip one module of the same type, no? Yes exactly. I'm not suggesting dedicated weapon mod slots or anything either but you would only be able to apply one weapon mod of each type, including damage mods. Obviously no-one will be able to fit one of each mod, as there will be more mods types than there are available slots. Honestly, I don't see how that would somehow make it more balanced... It just seems like it would reduce fitting freedom more than anything. How would 3 (insert mod here) with stacking penalties be more powerful than 3 different mods without stacking penalties? The option without stacking penalties just seems like its trying to force versatility rather than niche options. I can't bring myself to agree with this under any circumstances. This is why we have stacking penalties, so that we can increase fitting freedom, without having uberpowerful specialized fits. I'd just start equipping all shield extenders in my highs on my Amassault if this were to happen because that would then become the best way to fit it. And that's just wrong, in so many ways. Likes for likes also cake.
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 30	Posted - 2014.12.25 11:20:00 - [10] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I fully support this idea, though I think the heat buildup is too op to use. That mechanic is the one limiting thing on those types of weaponry, removing that would make them OP (especially using them on an Amarr Assault). A cool down bonus would be better imo and just as useful. I think that you underestimate what a cooldown reduction mod could change Fizzer! I use 2 comp light damage mods and 1 adv sidearm dmg mod on my amarr assault, and I'd gladly take out the sidearm one for the cooldown reduction! This makes burst with charged shots much more viable and is, IMO more balance than what an heat reduction would do. Btw, the 3rd light dmg mod doesnt change a lot of things ^^

Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1744	Posted - 2014.12.25 12:27:00 - [11] - Quote Sequal's Back wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I fully support this idea, though I think the heat buildup is too op to use. That mechanic is the one limiting thing on those types of weaponry, removing that would make them OP (especially using them on an Amarr Assault). A cool down bonus would be better imo and just as useful. I think that you underestimate what a cooldown reduction mod could change Fizzer! I use 2 comp light damage mods and 1 adv sidearm dmg mod on my amarr assault, and I'd gladly take out the sidearm one for the cooldown reduction! This makes burst with charged shots much more viable and is, IMO more balance than what an heat reduction would do. Btw, the 3rd light dmg mod doesnt change a lot of things ^^ If you knew how useless cooldown speed is, and the mechanics of heat/cooldown/seize time, especially on the Scrambler Rifle, you would agree with me when I say... "A mod that reduces cooldown time by 100,000% would be less useful than a Basic Myofibril Stimulant." That useless. I would rather leave the slot empty, to save ISK, kind of useless. Its completely ******* useless, is what I'm trying to say. Absolutely irrelevant. It helps in no way shape or form to reduce the time it takes to cooldown. If I had the choice of reducing cooldown time by 3,000,000,000%, or getting a single point of armor HP, I'd choose the armor HP. I think you are grossly overestimating the use of a module like that by an infinite amount. It would be more detrimental to fit that mod than to use it... Likes for likes also cake.
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 12	Posted - 2014.12.26 13:17:00 - [12] - Quote No. A heat build up reduction will create lasers that can near AV level of damage in a pinpoint location. Lasers could become the new FoTM since the way damage is applied (exponentially. Not linear) . After 79 rounds (amarr assault lvl 5) and further heat reductions, the laser being capable to fire possibly all 100 rounds is ludicrous. The best example of what i mean is this. 2 * 10 = 20 2 ^ 10 = 1024 2 * 100 = 200 2 ^ 100 = 1.267651 * 10 ^ 30 (be aware that the lasers damage is not as simple as 2^x, this is just an example) I hope that makes some sense.


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