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Nathanes Blackfort
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.21 19:07:00 -
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So, I'm not so bad at the game, I've gotten a lot better lately and I've started to get more into the game (in the past I made a lot of negative posts against Dust, I still find the community a little toxic but that's the same on every forum everywhere.) Recently I've been using the Breach and Tactical AR's (they just feel nice to use I suppose, I've done a lot of damage with them and actually done well for once!) and I've also started actually doing with with the starter dropsuits.
What completely baffles me though is that I still manage to get into games where people have similar gear to me. This one guy just a few minutes ago, wielding what I think was either a Minmatar or Amarr Medium dropsuit, dunno which, along with an SB Rail Rifle. This guy is just melting everyone with that and a standard Submachine gun. I noticed a lot of players on my time were a mix of both standard to advanced gear, but this one guy went 22-0 or something, topping their team. Any clue on what the hell he was using? As much as it pains me to say his skill level was on pair of a damn aimbot, the guy barely missed, never died, etc. Still a total **** though. Either way, when I use the rail rifle it's just... worthless. I most often run out of ammo long before I can kill an enemy, and more often than not I can never, ever finish off an enemy especially at medium range.
What's even more frustrating was I was damaging the Heavy's more than I was this one guy. How the hell did this guy have so much health? |
Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.21 20:10:00 -
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Guess he might have been good, or was running a well fit suit. The RR is deadly in the right hands, it is easy to use, kills quickly before the recoil is noticeable and has a great scope. Not much I can say, there are some skilled players here that are specialized in one weapon/suit and can easily dominate the "jack of all trades" despite them being at a disadvantage on paper. For example, I'm specialized on the LR/AScR, on paper these two weapons aren't the best, but I can take down the majority of players due to the fact I have mastered this one combo, instead of focusing on multiple roles.
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doc lowroar
Random Gunz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.12.21 22:54:00 -
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A sad fact is a certain percentage of success is due to internet connection . Work to get that proficiency 5 , and a damage mod also if you haven't already.
"Wherever you go, there you are" -BB
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.12.21 23:05:00 -
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Do you have all your passive skills maxed?
A lot of those skills make new players running the same gear as vets a big mismatch.
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"James thunderbolted in his pants."
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:12:00 -
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Nathanes Blackfort wrote:So, I'm not so bad at the game, I've gotten a lot better lately and I've started to get more into the game (in the past I made a lot of negative posts against Dust, I still find the community a little toxic but that's the same on every forum everywhere.) Recently I've been using the Breach and Tactical AR's (they just feel nice to use I suppose, I've done a lot of damage with them and actually done well for once!) and I've also started actually doing well with the starter dropsuits.
What completely baffles me though is that I still manage to get into games where people have similar gear to me. This one guy just a few minutes ago, wielding what I think was either a Minmatar or Amarr Medium dropsuit, dunno which, along with an SB Rail Rifle. This guy is just melting everyone with that and a standard Submachine gun. I noticed a lot of players on my time were a mix of both standard to advanced gear, but this one guy went 22-0 or something, topping their team. Any clue on what the hell he was using? As much as it pains me to say his skill level was on pair of a damn aimbot, the guy barely missed, never died, etc. Still a total **** though. Either way, when I use the rail rifle it's just... worthless. I most often run out of ammo long before I can kill an enemy, and more often than not I can never, ever finish off an enemy especially at medium range.
What's even more frustrating was I was damaging the Heavy's more than I was this one guy. How the hell did this guy have so much health? TBH most of this sounds like you ran across a good player with a well fit suit, did you catch his name by chance?
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
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Posted - 2014.12.22 22:24:00 -
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it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black
you have set a trend amongst the community. they are trying to mimic your success..
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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Mahal Daj
Mahal Tactical Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:17:00 -
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There could be a number of reasons:
1. Player skill: Dust rewards practice, it's a game of nuance 2. Team support: the player may have been supported by coordinated players 3. Passive skills: can increase everything from raw damage to weapon handling 4. Equipment: he may have been using damage mods or eWar 5. Practice: not just with the game, but with the specific fitting 6. Rout: the opposite of having a coordinated team, your team is simply not available to help 7. Target selection: an armor-strong weapon works best against Amarr and Gallente 8. A Logi: they can make a squad punch harder and faster 9. A Sniper: they can prepare a squad with info and weaken targets before engaging
Based on your description of the match, it's likely that they player was a high SP, long term player, with a squad of combatants, logis, and intelligence officers. They couldn't have gotten that many kills without restocks, which supports my theory.
Have patience, and you too will mount the summit of what you can do in Dust...
See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.24 16:47:00 -
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The Rail Rifle is a deadly weapon only when you learn to master its recoil. Also the Rail Rifle skill will help to mitigate a quarter of it at profiency V.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.25 20:27:00 -
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Some people just possess the fine motor skills and reaction time that makes the superior at FPS games.
Your best bet against people like this are to out-think them -- engage them in a situation which tilts the odds in your favor -- by bringing a suit that matches up well against them, or bringing friends with the intent to outnumber them....engaging them from two directions typically gets the job done.
Lastly, never underestimate the power of core skills. What I mean by that is the starter suit of a player with the core skill tree completely filled will be much more powerful than the starter suit of someone with 5m SP. |
Nathanes Blackfort
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:51:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Some people just possess the fine motor skills and reaction time that makes the superior at FPS games.
Your best bet against people like this are to out-think them -- engage them in a situation which tilts the odds in your favor -- by bringing a suit that matches up well against them, or bringing friends with the intent to outnumber them....engaging them from two directions typically gets the job done.
Lastly, never underestimate the power of core skills (and weapon skills). What I mean by that is the starter suit of a player with the core skill tree (or any particular weapon) completely filled will be much more powerful than the starter suit of someone with 5m SP.
This is nonsense though. On any other FPS/3rdPS my reacton times are top notch. I take a note to be as aware as I possibly can. Yet on this game I swear the game's mechanics can't keep up with my reactions, like CQC is just horrendous for me because the aiming is so clunky and the on-screen frames per second are so bad I can't hit enough shots. I don't have any friends that play this game because they all think it's trash lmao
A lot of my skill trees are near max though. I haven't gotten it at max because... well I really can't stay on this game for any long periods of time. It gets insanely tedious and boring. |
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Nathanes Blackfort
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:57:00 -
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Mahal Daj wrote:There could be a number of reasons:
1. Player skill: Dust rewards practice, it's a game of nuance 2. Team support: the player may have been supported by coordinated players 3. Passive skills: can increase everything from raw damage to weapon handling 4. Equipment: he may have been using damage mods or eWar 5. Practice: not just with the game, but with the specific fitting 6. Rout: the opposite of having a coordinated team, your team is simply not available to help 7. Target selection: an armor-strong weapon works best against Amarr and Gallente 8. A Logi: they can make a squad punch harder and faster 9. A Sniper: they can prepare a squad with info and weaken targets before engaging
Based on your description of the match, it's likely that they player was a high SP, long term player, with a squad of combatants, logis, and intelligence officers. They couldn't have gotten that many kills without restocks, which supports my theory.
Have patience, and you too will mount the summit of what you can do in Dust...
I've been play this game for two years. Don't tell me to have patience. It isn't getting better, practice really doesn't seem to exist (I can't practice something that isn't my fault i.e shocking frames per second.)
I'm all for some strategy and intelligence to an FPS but when people start applying it to something like Dust it just starts to bore me, when every player I meet sounds like they smoke pot and probably wouldn't have any intelligence outside the game. Snipers never do a thing but get the odd kill or hit, and being a general pain in the ass, and being one is too boring because you have to invest in a dropship if you hope to get the best vantage point. In any case I don't see practice playing a role in it at all, it seems you're either good at it or you aren't and I just can't be bothered to investing any more time into such a broken game.
If you can actually give solid evidence of Dust rewarding practice then show me. But to me I just think it's a total load of rubbish. |
Nathanes Blackfort
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:59:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black
you have set a trend amongst the community. they are trying to mimic your success..
What are you even talking about
I don't have any success I haven't even become the pot yet lmao
Please don't use philosophical phrases so carelessly. |
Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
213
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:25:00 -
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I'm wondering about collision detection. I've had a few weird events.
Certainly dust has had weird collision detection in the distant past - I remember I had it down to a fine art where I'd strafe back and forth and do little bursts, carving the other guy down that way because nothign would work. They fixed that way back, but maybe something new has come and you get the occasional 'chosen one' - the one who scotty can't quite figure is there when it comes to bullets.
Hard to pin down what is happening in a regular fight though, of course. No controlled conditions. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides Learning Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:25:00 -
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Nathanes Blackfort wrote:I noticed a lot of players on my time were a mix of both standard to advanced gear, but this one guy went 22-0 or something, topping their team. Any clue on what the hell he was using? If he is good enough to get a hit every time and head shots more than not, then he can do this with just about any weapon or suit.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Mahal Daj
Mahal Tactical Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.04.05 15:24:00 -
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Nathanes Blackfort wrote:Mahal Daj wrote:There could be a number of reasons:
1. Player skill: Dust rewards practice, it's a game of nuance 2. Team support: the player may have been supported by coordinated players 3. Passive skills: can increase everything from raw damage to weapon handling 4. Equipment: he may have been using damage mods or eWar 5. Practice: not just with the game, but with the specific fitting 6. Rout: the opposite of having a coordinated team, your team is simply not available to help 7. Target selection: an armor-strong weapon works best against Amarr and Gallente 8. A Logi: they can make a squad punch harder and faster 9. A Sniper: they can prepare a squad with info and weaken targets before engaging
Based on your description of the match, it's likely that they player was a high SP, long term player, with a squad of combatants, logis, and intelligence officers. They couldn't have gotten that many kills without restocks, which supports my theory.
Have patience, and you too will mount the summit of what you can do in Dust...
I've been play this game for two years. Don't tell me to have patience. It isn't getting better, practice really doesn't seem to exist (I can't practice something that isn't my fault i.e shocking frames per second.) I'm all for some strategy and intelligence to an FPS but when people start applying it to something like Dust it just starts to bore me, when every player I meet sounds like they smoke pot and probably wouldn't have any intelligence outside the game. Snipers never do a thing but get the odd kill or hit, and being a general pain in the ass, and being one is too boring because you have to invest in a dropship if you hope to get the best vantage point. In any case I don't see practice playing a role in it at all, it seems you're either good at it or you aren't and I just can't be bothered to investing any more time into such a broken game. If you can actually give solid evidence of Dust rewarding practice then show me. But to me I just think it's a total load of rubbish. I mean I can't even find the time in-game to practice any setups because tbh I haven't got a clue what I'm doing, so all of my setups are pretty average/standard. Plus when I'm trying to use one and it just goes wrong I end up hopping onto another setup with a different weapon, and I find myself constantly having to switch up what I'm doing to keep up with the battle.
fair enough, I didn't mean to insult you, and I didn't know your SP, so I was trying to be generally helpful. Based on this response however, I might suggest that you pick one suit and stick with it through ~two weeks of playing, and see if you're able to do better. I find that when I'm constantly reacting to situaitons with different suits, I'm not able to react as well as when I use the same suit and modules (switch up weapons if you'd like). Once you know exactly how fast you can run, how well you can hide, and how far you can jump, it's easier to bring the same unholy stomp on people that aren't switching suits and know the limits of their exact fit.
note: obviously some things (ie forge guns) may override this advice for certain situations.
all the best,
-daj
See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
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