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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:35:00 -
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I always run MinLogi fits, repping, reviving, and resupplying teammates as the moment needs for it. Sometimes I even go through harms way, dying often, only to receive sub-par commendation at best from the EOM rewards. And this is even when I rack up +3000 WP, with a 0/5-6 KDR. Are my risk vs. reward antics worth it? I don't know. Sometimes I can't help but feel like it doesn't.
So is it acceptable to charge a small fee for logistics/medic support for the team? I'm really on the fence about this.
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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:43:00 -
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Although I see your points and understand them clearly, I can't help but feel like we don't get the merit we deserve, especially for dedicated logibros (not those tourists who still manage to spam equipment and change to a slayer fit, barely contributing for the team to get cheap WP on the side.)
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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:51:00 -
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I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win.
Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job.
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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 15:54:00 -
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Michael Epic wrote:Vektus Alvoraan wrote:I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that i was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win.
Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. V I D E O G A M E
Vidya monies, m8 AKA Isk
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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:06:00 -
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Guns for Glory wrote:Vektus Alvoraan wrote:I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win.
Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Pay the heavies for protecting you and letting you get SP!
It's not the SP that I refer to when I mean "not getting ample reward". It's the ISK. Lately I've been getting crap in pub payments even when I'm burning through suits like hot cupcakes, keeping the heavies killing and assaults assaulting, dying a lot in the process. I don't care about the SP rewards in the least. I am always the support character in every game I play, because I enjoy doing that the most. And in Dust, it USED to greatly reward team support. So for the most part, if the pool reward wasn't as unfair as it is right now, I wouldn't even be typing this.
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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:13:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Requiring a fee to join someone's squad makes you an asshat. Does your corporation offer some kind of logi bonus? Ask them if they provide an ISK incentive to squad with corpmates a logi. Alot of people like to be personal mercenaries, not some corporation owned stooge. If i wanted to belong to an military organization i would play a game like Battlefield. Here, I work for myself, and part of being autonomous is that, as an independent contractor, i reserve the right to charge for my services. LUGMOS wrote:Vektus Alvoraan wrote:I never really implied to DEMANDING payment. I simply stated (and I might've worded it out wrong) that I was wondering if it is okay to ask for a tip for going the extra mile for the team in securing a win.
Think of it like the barber fish. They join in on a flock of larger fish and provide services, such a cleaning their gills and removing bacteria from the fish's body, essentially maintaining them in top condition. The larger fish, in return, give them food, but only if the barber fish goes the extra mile, indicating to the larger fish that he deserves a tip for not doing a mediocre job. Except in the fish scenario, the bigger fish doesnt directly give it food (ISK), but instead indirectly feeds it by giving it what it gets from its job. The Barber Fish only eats the grime it cleans, AKA the WP from supporting. That's its pay, not a direct feeding. Except, this is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game, and Im not going to stand behind someone for 20 mins with a rep tool going just so that they have have a better shooter game where they die less. Atleast not for free. Its not fun, its not profitable. However, for a fee, thats a different story. Cause heres the thing. if im in game and I have absolutely nothing else to do, ok, Chiron logi comes out. But because im doing it on my own time, and reserve the right to pursue a more profitable less risky job at any moment I choose, you dont know when your logi will disappear. So your whole parasite analogy is wrong, as I dont rely on repping heavies for my survival. Its a choice, not an obligation. And if you want some dedication, you are going to pay for it instead of just counting on me to be a good guy and take losses for you. Im not a damn charity, this is supposed to be a profitable venture in the EVE universe. Profitable for me. Remember that.
You damn near brought a tear to my bleeding logi heart (and wallet). 10/10
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Vektus Alvoraan
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:30:00 -
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SteelheadPep wrote:I will admit running a Logi is expensive,and takes alot of SP to skill into all of the different equipment areas, but that is the nature of that fitting.Im sure you can find someone to pay for your logi services, but a team player does not. Have been a logi from open beta and will ask the squad im in what they want, usually come in with Amar with uplinks, then switch to Mini for reps, of Gal for scans, all suits have pen and rep (usually double beam).If you are with a good squad/ team everyone makes out. Im able to run proto in Gal,Mini,andAmar if asked. Squad leads don't want to here someone asking about extra playment to do their part, so take it from an old logi and do your job and do what is needed to help your squad, that sould be payment enough.
Take it from me my friend, I have been a dedicated Logistics unit since closed beta, and I wouldn't suggest the things I've brought
up on this thread for no good reason. Back in the day we logibros used to be payed well for a job well done in sticking our necks out for the good of the team. But unfortunately those days are long gone, and times are tough.
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