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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
751
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:11:00 -
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Quick question for all the Logibro's out there. Back around Alpha or Bravo hotfix, there was discussion of all Logis getting 4 equip slots at proto. I know the Amarrs had an issue because it meant giving up their sidearm, but what about the OTHER logi classes? Was the Amarr sidearm argument so upsetting the entire discussion was put on the back burner? I remember most of the conversations and the only sticking point people had was the Amarr Logi losing its sidearm. Was the whole plan scrapped because of that one point of dissention?
I'm sorry, but it is pretty ridiculous my Cal Logi at proto level only has 3 equip slots. All proto Logi suits should have 4 equipment slots other than the Amarr, which willingly sacrificed their 4th in favor of the sidearm.
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1417
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:15:00 -
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I think Cal logi should get a sidearm for compensation. This might increase the amount of Cal logis on the field
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
751
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:25:00 -
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Yeah, that's just it. I don't WANT a sidearm. I have no desire for a sidearm. I don't ever use a sidearm. Give me 4 equipment slots. If we do the sidearm, then we risk going back to the days of the slayer logi. If we are trying to keep Logis as the support role, give them extra slots to allow them to support.
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hfderrtgvcd
1553
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:36:00 -
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your cal logi has more module slots than all the other logis. If you lose a low then you can have a fourth equipment.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1397
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Posted - 2014.12.16 01:37:00 -
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The bottom line on this is that the Cal Logi needs to change - either sidearm or 4th equipment slot. I can work with either option tbh.
The sidearm gives me flexibility to run AV, pseudo Assault, support weapon (mass driver). The additional equipment gives me many more Logi build options and increases my value to the team.
My vote is for a 4th equipment slot but I can work with both options, however, the CPU/PG MUST get a serious buff.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
751
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Posted - 2014.12.16 02:05:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:The bottom line on this is that the Cal Logi needs to change - either sidearm or 4th equipment slot. I can work with either option tbh.
The sidearm gives me flexibility to run AV, pseudo Assault, support weapon (mass driver). The additional equipment gives me many more Logi build options and increases my value to the team.
My vote is for a 4th equipment slot but I can work with both options, however, the CPU/PG MUST get a serious buff.
Agree completely with everything you said. The last part is a given, but I will reiterate. We need that buff, absolutely.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
751
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Posted - 2014.12.16 02:06:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:your cal logi has more module slots than all the other logis. If you lose a low then you can have a fourth equipment.
For me, personally? Done. As a Cal I want to keep my 5 high slots but I am willing to sacrifice a low for the extra equipment slot.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5087
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Posted - 2014.12.16 03:18:00 -
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Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
752
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Posted - 2014.12.16 03:43:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
What's so hard to understand?
A low slot that basically HAS to be fitted with a CPU generator or there isn't enough CPU to make a suit worth anything. Yeah, great bonus.
Get rid of the 4th low, seriously buff the CPU/PG, and give us a 4th equipment slot. Without the CPU generator in the 4th low, it is basically impossible to run complex mods/ proto equipment without filling 1/2 of the suit with basic and standard crap.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Jack 3enimble
Titans of Phoenix
619
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Posted - 2014.12.16 03:56:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Joel II X wrote:Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
What's so hard to understand? A low slot that basically HAS to be fitted with a CPU generator or there isn't enough CPU to make a suit worth anything. Yeah, great bonus. Get rid of the 4th low, seriously buff the CPU/PG, and give us a 4th equipment slot. Without the CPU generator in the 4th low, it is basically impossible to run complex mods/ proto equipment without filling 1/2 of the suit with basic and standard crap.
Most scrubs that are against this tend to forget that the Cal logi was robbed of 60 CPU because of their crying
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
753
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:06:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Joel II X wrote:Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
What's so hard to understand? A low slot that basically HAS to be fitted with a CPU generator or there isn't enough CPU to make a suit worth anything. Yeah, great bonus. Get rid of the 4th low, seriously buff the CPU/PG, and give us a 4th equipment slot. Without the CPU generator in the 4th low, it is basically impossible to run complex mods/ proto equipment without filling 1/2 of the suit with basic and standard crap. Most scrubs that are against this tend to forget that the Cal logi was robbed of 60 CPU because of their crying
You know what.. I didn't even know that. However, that makes a lot of sense. Back when I had just joined Dust and was still trying to "Git gud", I didn't have a corp or wasn't on the forums for about 6 months. The first 2 things I proto'd out were Cal Logi and Sniper rifle. Then after one of the old updates (can't remember which one, I suddenly couldn't use half my fits and couldn't figure out why. I just remembered the CPU was way over. I figured it was because I was running 5 complex damage mods and they upped the CPU cost of them. (yes, I was THAT noob). LOL
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.12.16 11:50:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
What's so hard to understand?
The extra low slot is basically just a random isk sink since you either put a CPU mod there or run almost all advanced gear on you proto fit. And the amarr logi is still 1 slot less than the other logis.
Play with the suit before you make comments. Or at least theory craft.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
288
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Posted - 2014.12.16 11:51:00 -
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You mean people actually use the Cal. logi? o.O
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.12.16 11:53:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:You mean people actually use the Cal. logi? o.O
*try to |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2652
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:05:00 -
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Cal Logi needs another looking at. The nerfs that were put in place to stop cal logis being slayers are no longer necessary, IMO, and the Cal Logi is still being considered guilty of an offense that is no longer valid. |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
General Tso's Alliance
289
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:35:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:You mean people actually use the Cal. logi? o.O *try to
That's better c:
G.L.O.R.Y Soldier,
I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1313
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:39:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Yeah, that's just it. I don't WANT a sidearm. I have no desire for a sidearm. I don't ever use a sidearm. Give me 4 equipment slots. If we do the sidearm, then we risk going back to the days of the slayer logi. If we are trying to keep Logis as the support role, give them extra slots to allow them to support.
i dont even want a sidearm on assault suits.
they need to up the slot total from 5 to 8 like eve has.
and rebalance accordingly.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
1313
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Posted - 2014.12.16 16:41:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Cal Logi needs another looking at. The nerfs that were put in place to stop cal logis being slayers are no longer necessary, IMO, and the Cal Logi is still being considered guilty of an offense that is no longer valid.
the only reason that was an issue was because at the time it was designed to be a caldari assault suit,
it had better slots, better fitting, better shield delay and a regulator bonus.
all those things should be on the cal assault.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Ku Shala
The Generals
1074
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:24:00 -
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maybe some hp on the call logi I mean brick tanked it has like 600ehp at advanced I see scouts with more than that
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Caldari Loyalist
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4943
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:49:00 -
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The problem is that the Amarr not losing it's sidearm somehow made slot rebalancing literally impossible and they scrapped the whole thing when that turned out to be incredibly unpopular. Because reasons. And CCP.
It's not that hard though. Start here:
- Cal logi needs one less low, one more EQ, and about 1/2 the CPU back.
- Amarr logi needs about 4-6 more PG. Probably needs another slot somewhere at PRO because the progression from ADV -> PRO makes no sense as the ADV gained the sidearm around 1.3 with no other changes so it's simply a way better suit, comparatively speaking.
The other two have pretty reasonable slots so I don't see that being the main issue. Other things that need to be done with the logi suits are more complex than slots alone, but it's a good place to start.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
646
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:51:00 -
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Give my Cal its CPU/PG gain and sidearm at no loss of other slots/fitting.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
646
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:55:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Joel II X wrote:Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
What's so hard to understand? A low slot that basically HAS to be fitted with a CPU generator or there isn't enough CPU to make a suit worth anything. Yeah, great bonus. Get rid of the 4th low, seriously buff the CPU/PG, and give us a 4th equipment slot. Without the CPU generator in the 4th low, it is basically impossible to run complex mods/ proto equipment without filling 1/2 of the suit with basic and standard crap. Most scrubs that are against this tend to forget that the Cal logi was robbed of 60 CPU because of their crying You know what.. I didn't even know that. However, that makes a lot of sense. Back when I had just joined Dust and was still trying to "Git gud", I didn't have a corp or wasn't on the forums for about 6 months. The first 2 things I proto'd out were Cal Logi and Sniper rifle. Then after one of the old updates (can't remember which one, I suddenly couldn't use half my fits and couldn't figure out why. I just remembered the CPU was way over. I figured it was because I was running 5 complex damage mods and they upped the CPU cost of them. (yes, I was THAT noob). LOL
Way to go, scrub. Your actions are part of exactly why the frame is gimped so drastically. You have no right to break **** and then cry about it being broken. This is why we don't have nice things. Penta-stacking Damage Mods on a Logi to snipe with. smh
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4943
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Posted - 2014.12.16 17:59:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Give my Cal its CPU/PG gain and sidearm at no loss of other slots/fitting.
lolwut? It already has more slots than every other suit. It gains FOUR slots from ADV -> PRO and already has two more slots than the Amarr, including the same number of low slots on a shield tanked suit!
So you want more highs, the same lows, the same EQ, AND a sidearm? Sounds legit.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
646
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:09:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Give my Cal its CPU/PG gain and sidearm at no loss of other slots/fitting. lolwut? It already has more slots than every other suit. It gains FOUR slots from ADV -> PRO and already has two more slots than the Amarr, including the same number of low slots on a shield tanked suit! So you want more highs, the same lows, the same EQ, AND a sidearm? Sounds legit.
ReRead, literary comprehension godfather, keep it as is except the the additional CPU/PG and the added sidearm.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4943
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:15:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Give my Cal its CPU/PG gain and sidearm at no loss of other slots/fitting. lolwut? It already has more slots than every other suit. It gains FOUR slots from ADV -> PRO and already has two more slots than the Amarr, including the same number of low slots on a shield tanked suit! So you want more highs, the same lows, the same EQ, AND a sidearm? Sounds legit. ReRead, literary comprehension godfather, keep it as is except the the additional CPU/PG and the added sidearm.
I can read. I do not know of any other way to interpret "no loss of other slots".
You are suggesting gaining a sidearm and losing nothing.
On the suit that already has the most slots.
Result: an even larger slot advantage.
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
647
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Posted - 2014.12.16 18:35:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Give my Cal its CPU/PG gain and sidearm at no loss of other slots/fitting. lolwut? It already has more slots than every other suit. It gains FOUR slots from ADV -> PRO and already has two more slots than the Amarr, including the same number of low slots on a shield tanked suit! So you want more highs, the same lows, the same EQ, AND a sidearm? Sounds legit. ReRead, literary comprehension godfather, keep it as is except the the additional CPU/PG and the added sidearm. I can read. I do not know of any other way to interpret "no loss of other slots". You are suggesting gaining a sidearm and losing nothing. On the suit that already has the most slots. Result: an even larger slot advantage.
My Bad, I reread and realized I thought you were accusing me of asking for additional slots along with the sidearm and CPU/PG. Additional slots not being the one for the sidearm.
YES, give my CalLogi its sidearm and a CPU/PG buff making it the highest slot counted Logi. IF theres a problem with that from any of the residents of LogiPrime then I'm open to giving all of them an additional slot also to compensate, I'm sure they could use them.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4943
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Posted - 2014.12.16 20:35:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Give my Cal its CPU/PG gain and sidearm at no loss of other slots/fitting. lolwut? It already has more slots than every other suit. It gains FOUR slots from ADV -> PRO and already has two more slots than the Amarr, including the same number of low slots on a shield tanked suit! So you want more highs, the same lows, the same EQ, AND a sidearm? Sounds legit. ReRead, literary comprehension godfather, keep it as is except the the additional CPU/PG and the added sidearm. I can read. I do not know of any other way to interpret "no loss of other slots". You are suggesting gaining a sidearm and losing nothing. On the suit that already has the most slots. Result: an even larger slot advantage. My Bad, I reread and realized I thought you were accusing me of asking for additional slots along with the sidearm and CPU/PG. Additional slots not being the one for the sidearm. YES, give my CalLogi its sidearm and a CPU/PG buff making it the highest slot counted Logi. IF theres a problem with that from any of the residents of LogiPrime then I'm open to giving all of them an additional slot also to compensate, I'm sure they could use them.
Well, more slots for the other logis may or may not be needed, it all depends on the overall redo. If that happens and the slot counts across the different races are even, then sure, go for it.
However, I don't see any logic in creating an even greater imbalance between overall slot counts.
If you want an additional EQ slot or a sidearm I'm 100% fine with that but you should have to give up a low to do it. There's no other way to make that fair if the total slot counts of the other suits remain the same.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
2279
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:34:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:your cal logi has more module slots than all the other logis. If you lose a low then you can have a fourth equipment.
If I get more CPU so I don't have to fit ancpu mod just to be competitive I'll lose the low.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
761
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Posted - 2014.12.16 22:15:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Joel II X wrote:Amarr loses an equipment slot for a sidearm, and the Caldari loses one for an extra low slot.
What's so hard to understand? A low slot that basically HAS to be fitted with a CPU generator or there isn't enough CPU to make a suit worth anything. Yeah, great bonus. Get rid of the 4th low, seriously buff the CPU/PG, and give us a 4th equipment slot. Without the CPU generator in the 4th low, it is basically impossible to run complex mods/ proto equipment without filling 1/2 of the suit with basic and standard crap. Most scrubs that are against this tend to forget that the Cal logi was robbed of 60 CPU because of their crying You know what.. I didn't even know that. However, that makes a lot of sense. Back when I had just joined Dust and was still trying to "Git gud", I didn't have a corp or wasn't on the forums for about 6 months. The first 2 things I proto'd out were Cal Logi and Sniper rifle. Then after one of the old updates (can't remember which one, I suddenly couldn't use half my fits and couldn't figure out why. I just remembered the CPU was way over. I figured it was because I was running 5 complex damage mods and they upped the CPU cost of them. (yes, I was THAT noob). LOL Way to go, scrub. Your actions are part of exactly why the frame is gimped so drastically. You have no right to break **** and then cry about it being broken. This is why we don't have nice things. Penta-stacking Damage Mods on a Logi to snipe with. smh
Like I said, that was back when I had no f'n clue what I was doing. I learned from my mistakes after I got onto the forums and into a corp that helped me out. For the first 6 months I had no clue what I was doing. I will admit, however, that it was a blast and worked damn well.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
2285
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Posted - 2014.12.17 06:01:00 -
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Cal Logi needs 4 equipment slots, OR a sidearm, a PG/CPU buff, and to lose a low slot.
It should mirror its assault brethren in slot layout, save the sidearm and equipment slots.
Do not go gentle into that good night;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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