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Edau Skir2 duna corp 93	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:45:00 - [1] - Quote I just entered a game of dom in pub match, and found 7-8 of the players on my team messing around behind the redline, just running in circles and shooting each other. People like this ruin the game! Why is it allowed to happen? Any other game server would kick them for this, so why are they allowed to ruin everyone else's fun on this? Half a team against an entire enemy team is nothing more than an isk drain. Something seriously needs doing about this, as well boosters and afk'ers. The tacnet inactivity timer isn't working anymore, clearly. Maybe the activity parameters should be widened. Running in circles does not count as "Activity" in my book.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 429	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:48:00 - [2] - Quote They need to add a minimum WP cap to reach per battle. I'd go for 200 in Dom/Skirm, and 100 for AMB. If you dont reach this cap, you earn 0 ISK, 0 SP. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Edau Skir2 duna corp 93	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:53:00 - [3] - Quote 200's too low. You just throw uplinks and continue to act like a tool. It's 25wp for a team spawn, so 8 isn't too much of a stretch. Maybe if they don't get a kill/assist or a hack in a certain time parameter, they get ejected.
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 36	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:54:00 - [4] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: They need to add a minimum WP cap to reach per battle. I'd go for 200 in Dom/Skirm, and 100 for AMB. If you dont reach this cap, you earn 0 ISK, 0 SP. Id say 50wp cuz if you come in late but still willing to try then thats fine. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 241	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:55:00 - [5] - Quote Sometimes you need a break, and a good LAV race makes it fun. Especially when you message the other team before you start the race. Too much serious and you end up like Chakotay Rivet blowing up the minmatar local chat with crap every second of the day Pffft....... Proto Suits lol Adv Omni Merc is the way to go
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 241	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:56:00 - [6] - Quote Union118 wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: They need to add a minimum WP cap to reach per battle. I'd go for 200 in Dom/Skirm, and 100 for AMB. If you dont reach this cap, you earn 0 ISK, 0 SP. Id say 50wp cuz if you come in late but still willing to try then thats fine. however if i join late and still end up on the top of my teams leaderboard i should not be shorted ISK like they usually do. Pffft....... Proto Suits lol Adv Omni Merc is the way to go
Edau Skir2 duna corp 94	Posted - 2014.12.14 10:59:00 - [7] - Quote No, if you wanna race, play a racing game. Those of us on the team actually bothering to be of any use are losing isk because of this stupidity. We're not there to make you money, or for your amusement, we're there to play a game. We're also losing sp because we can never get any kills. 8 on 1 isn't fun in any way. Simple solution is, if you don't want to play Dust properly, then get the hell off it and play something else.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 429	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:00:00 - [8] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: 200's too low. You just throw uplinks and continue to act like a tool. It's 25wp for a team spawn, so 8 isn't too much of a stretch. Maybe if they don't get a kill/assist or a hack in a certain time parameter, they get ejected. I completely agree with you that 200 would be low , but some scrubs in this forum will say that a higher cap would break new player's experience just to keep on AFKing battles. At least throwing uplinks is useful. Some players aren't killers, so the kill/assist thing isn't right.. Nor the hack, heavies are likely to never hack anything so it wouldn't be fair Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3432	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:01:00 - [9] - Quote SIncerely i hate more spawn campers. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 241	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:01:00 - [10] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: No, if you wanna race, play a racing game. Those of us on the team actually bothering to be of any use are losing isk because of this stupidity. We're not there to make you money, or for your amusement, we're there to play a game. We're also losing sp because we can never get any kills. 8 on 1 isn't fun in any way. Simple solution is, if you don't want to play Dust properly, then get the hell off it and play something else. Bro, just a game. Also I dont do it unless I have already determined that my team is worthless... ...or that i know that the other team is going to spam proto Pffft....... Proto Suits lol Adv Omni Merc is the way to go

Edau Skir2 duna corp 94	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:04:00 - [11] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: Nor the hack, heavies are likely to never hack anything so it wouldn't be fair Really? I hack in a heavy all the time. Then again, with some of the inept bluebs I always seem to have to play with, I don't really have a choice.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 429	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:07:00 - [12] - Quote Union118 wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: They need to add a minimum WP cap to reach per battle. I'd go for 200 in Dom/Skirm, and 100 for AMB. If you dont reach this cap, you earn 0 ISK, 0 SP. Id say 50wp cuz if you come in late but still willing to try then thats fine. Nonono, if you joined so late that you didn't do 200WP, then that means you weren't usefull for your team (even tho it's only because of Scotty). People must deserve their ISK. I'm pissed of getting only 250k isk after a 15min battle which costs me 600k because half of my team was AFK or useless scrubs. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 241	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:07:00 - [13] - Quote I think the bigger issue is that there is so little train for the new players. The ones that stay are kinda clueless. We need more activity from training corps Pffft....... Proto Suits lol Adv Omni Merc is the way to go
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 429	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:09:00 - [14] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Sequal Rise wrote: Nor the hack, heavies are likely to never hack anything so it wouldn't be fair Really? I hack in a heavy all the time. Then again, with some of the inept bluebs I always seem to have to play with, I don't really have a choice. If people were actually playing, you should never have the time to hack first in a heavy suit^^ That's what I meant. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Immortal John Ripper 26522	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:17:00 - [15] - Quote ccp should kick people who camp the red line period. Alt of Jadek.
General John Ripper 26524	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:17:00 - [16] - Quote ccp should kick people who camp the red line period. Alt of Jadek.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 429	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:26:00 - [17] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: ccp should kick people who camp the red line period. There are other places where you can camp and hide for the whole game. And it would kick the entire team out if you get redlined. Bad idea. Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 585	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:33:00 - [18] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: ccp should kick people who camp the red line period. This is actualy good idea. But only if there would be warning message + time counter. To OP. Right now we can do nothing about this. If you don't have/wanna lose isks, then run something cheaper and don't take few vs one fights. Unless you have isks, and you don't mind to lose 1-2m isks in domination [isks makes us more aggressive]. And by doing this, you can play for few actualy. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1058	Posted - 2014.12.14 11:44:00 - [19] - Quote If a reporting system were implemented, add a new tier of radial dial commands (R2 button, then R3) with a Report option. Let the community police itself. Aim a the player and report them just like throwing a squad command. When a player is reported by x separate players, then ban them for 24 hrs. When a player is reported y separate players, then ban them for 48 hrs. When a player is reported z separate players, then ban them for 1 week. etc. This system could be abused: 1. Shunning an individual from the community 2. Shunnin a specific profile of player from the community a. Fighting back against FW saboteurs b. Getting all snipers banned from the game c. Etc. This could turn into a huge ban war. If a reporting system may not be the best option, how would you recommend to solve the problem of AFKers? ISK Trader channel: blitz
Edau Skir2 duna corp 95	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:02:00 - [20] - Quote Afk'ers are a tricky one. I don't understand how the tacnet doesn't expire for them. Clearly they're at the screen moving occasionally, otherwise they would be booted

abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 87	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:07:00 - [21] - Quote ...So says the guy in duna corp about others messing up his game...
Edau Skir2 duna corp 95	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:18:00 - [22] - Quote abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...So says the guy in duna corp about others messing up his game... Somebody show him the love of IG, please Who has been in the corp for 4 days and has yet to squad up with anyone from the corp. So shut your judgemental hole, and give a constructive response to the issue at hand.
abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 87	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:21:00 - [23] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: abdullah muzaffar wrote: ...So says the guy in duna corp about others messing up his game... Somebody show him the love of IG, please Who has been in the corp for 4 days and has yet to squad up with anyone from the corp. So shut your judgemental hole, and give a constructive response to the issue at hand. I suggest you join Immortal Guides, you'll realize there is a fun side to ths game too. Theyll also be more than happy to teach you, just dont let duna keep on farming you
Edau Skir2 duna corp 95	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:26:00 - [24] - Quote I don't need teaching, the game's self explanatory at this point. I'm not overly fussed about losing 20k isk a game, it's small change.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 60	Posted - 2014.12.14 14:41:00 - [25] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: 200's too low. You just throw uplinks and continue to act like a tool. It's 25wp for a team spawn, so 8 isn't too much of a stretch. Maybe if they don't get a kill/assist or a hack in a certain time parameter, they get ejected. Yea so idk if you play dust but there's a lack of uplinks In most matches. So if he threw some uplinks out thank him. He was probably the only one on your team that did.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1115	Posted - 2014.12.14 14:43:00 - [26] - Quote CCP can track self-harm: this is evidenced by the fact that self-inflicted damage being repped does not reward WP. With that in mind, we should implement the following: If someone gets 0 kills; 0 deaths (not considering suicides as a death); 0 assists; and/or 0 war points, the character gets 0 ISK and 0 SP for the battle. While that isn't perfect, it would mean that the AFKer has to do something to influence the battle. Perhaps the requisites could include partitioning the battle into time: so the battle is divided by four and each segment has the same qualifications, and you are only rewarded for your participation in each segment when you meet the requirements. So, if someone wanted to AFK, hacked the homebase or an installation nearby before going off to spin in the redline, they'd only receive payment/SP for the first 1/4 of the battle, since in the second, third and fourth segments would check their qualifications and find them lacking. Some food for thought. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Dubya Guy Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 99	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:03:00 - [27] - Quote What the OP describes might not be "AFK". If it was, it was very active AFK. As others stated, these could be noobs practicing or more experienced folks just blowing off steam and horsing around. The former could be improved by more training opportunities, or awareness of training corps. The latter I predict will happen more and more with the proliferation of free fittings. I think scaling the ISK and SP payouts to severely nerf the low WP end would be the best way to reduce all-battle-long screwing around. But it won't prevent folks from giving up half way through what seems to be a lost battle. It could also harm those noobs who are actually trying but just stink. So, more training opportunities + a different scaling for ISK and SP in Pub matches. My vote. FPS = First Person Support. Kills win battles but it's kinda hard to kill if you're dead and out of ammo.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1524	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:08:00 - [28] - Quote CCP has already changed the payment structure to reduce this happening and like this is a F2P game , people will do what they want and only CCP can do so much . To ban people seem a bit drastic . People have liberty and rights to do what they choose and while I'm not condoning AFKing , it's only so much that can be done and CCP has already placed the mechanic that will no longer give out ISK's or SP if your WP's are needing , so you basically get what you earn now instead of reaping a bonus because the team you were on won . You just got placed in a match with people who prob normally do this until they get what will cause them to cease . They are having a harder time and with that , they will realize that they can no longer sit around and watch someone else do the " heavy lifting " , while they sit back and " count the money and SP's " . CCP did a great job with that because they paid attention to post like this one and others and could do what they could to stem the tide . Just do what YOU can and everything else will fall into place . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 156	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:24:00 - [29] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: I just entered a game of dom in pub match, and found 7-8 of the players on my team messing around behind the redline, just running in circles and shooting each other. People like this ruin the game! Why is it allowed to happen? Any other game server would kick them for this, so why are they allowed to ruin everyone else's fun on this? Half a team against an entire enemy team is nothing more than an isk drain. Something seriously needs doing about this, as well boosters and afk'ers. The tacnet inactivity timer isn't working anymore, clearly. Maybe the activity parameters should be widened. Running in circles does not count as "Activity" in my book. Some players still care about their precious KDR, and will hide until the end of the game instead of trying to play.You think that if ISK were an issue then they could use blueprints, These are probably the same players who use proto suits against new mercs to make themselves feel special.The Downward spiral continues (free fall is more like it), try to have fun with what little time is left.
VAHZZ 487	Posted - 2014.12.14 15:35:00 - [30] - Quote Calm your tatas OP, you're acting like the plague is new. Stop worrying about them and help your team. They'll get what they deserve. ~ Proud Sniper Scout

Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 618	Posted - 2014.12.14 16:07:00 - [31] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: I don't need teaching, the game's self explanatory at this point. I'm not overly fussed about losing 20k isk a game, it's small change. I don't care about how much you lose. It's just that over the long run, you're feeding ISK to a KDR-obsessed tanker who does nothing but farm infantry for easy ISK and cowers behind his minions once he takes a single hit. A truly pathetic person he is. As for the AFK system...yeah, too many factors involved. We can't be kicking people whose roles are not especially WP-centric. Public Announcement: Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.
Edau Skir2 duna corp 97	Posted - 2014.12.15 00:14:00 - [32] - Quote thehellisgoingon wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: 200's too low. You just throw uplinks and continue to act like a tool. It's 25wp for a team spawn, so 8 isn't too much of a stretch. Maybe if they don't get a kill/assist or a hack in a certain time parameter, they get ejected. Yea so idk if you play dust but there's a lack of uplinks In most matches. So if he threw some uplinks out thank him. He was probably the only one on your team that did. You must play some pretty limited matches. I often have a hard time choosing a specific place to spawn because there are so many in the same place. As for the whole thing about the corp I'm in, if I ever feel as if I'm not being appreciated, I'll leave. Duna corp is the fourth corp I've been in since I started playing last month. Trial and error I suppose
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5061	Posted - 2014.12.15 01:00:00 - [33] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: 200's too low. You just throw uplinks and continue to act like a tool. It's 25wp for a team spawn, so 8 isn't too much of a stretch. Maybe if they don't get a kill/assist or a hack in a certain time parameter, they get ejected. It's not lol that's either 8 spawns, 2 objective hacks, 4 installation hacks, 4 kills, 8 assists, 40 equipment destructions, or other pitiful actions, and yet, for some people that are legitimately trying, can not fulfill this criteria because of either: A) tough enemy team, B) lousy friendly team, C) joining a late match to a stomp, D) LAAAG, or E) all of the above.
Yeeeuuuupppp B.A.L.A.M.O.R.Y. G.L.O.R.Y. 746	Posted - 2014.12.15 02:00:00 - [34] - Quote Stop crying. They play how they want. See you on the flip side brother PSN: GMANCASH Put in zee work ya khunt
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10478	Posted - 2014.12.15 02:58:00 - [35] - Quote Or... Eve Online has a behavior detection algorithm where the Tranquility Server can determine on its own if you are suspected of botting. If suspected, you are flagged and reported to CCP by the system where they can later determine directly if you have been botting and how extensive you botting activities are. Dust should get the same thing since we are somehow connected to the same server. However, considering we are connected via Sony's PlayStation Network, I don't know how that would work out. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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