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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.14 05:19:00 -
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Many Caldari mercenaries have said that their suits as well as their weapons are innefective for the battle fields of Dust. I have respectfully disagreed on many occasions, but it seems that this myth has gone on to be considered fact by many Caldari Loyalists.Though this is not what dissapoints me.
What dissapoints me is what I see on the battlefield.
I see Caldari Assault's who are using their Rail Rifles like SMG's only to be slaughtered by people with actual SMG's. I have witnessed Caldari Assault's who are obviously brick tanking and are not using regulators nor energizers and who are then quickly disposed of following only one engagement where a better fitted player would have easily been able to recover all of their shields following an engagement and been prepared for the next.
I see Caldari players choosing to close the gap between themselves and the enemy rather than expanding the range so as to make better use of their weapon at range.
Now I understand that new players may have trouble grasping the concept that not all Assaults are created for the same purposes or that they do not understand that every race has a range where they excel. I have compassion and understanding for these players.
Though, I am utterly aghast to veterans, both known and unknown, who continue to hold on to these false beliefs and who fail to use the correct tactics when engaging enemies. It is a terrible affliction whom many do not seem to realize. None of the standard rifles were created equal. They all have their uses and it is time that the veterans of this game start to acknowledge this reality.
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Henrietta Unknown
Kirjuun Heiian
615
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Posted - 2014.12.14 05:38:00 -
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Trust me, the so-called veterans only stick to the CalAssault if they knew how to wield it well for the time they have played this game, and would most likely have combat-proper fittings. I know there are a few, but definitely not as abundant as masters of the other assaults.
The main body you're going for are the amateurs that see the Cal Medium Frame on the PSN store and think it fights like a GalAssault, or basically like in every popular FPS.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2665
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Posted - 2014.12.14 05:45:00 -
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many people who call themselves "vets" are people who do it based on time they have been around DUST solely.
A true Vet is one that has experienced everything DUST has had to offer... They know how to run counter fits and how to make use of any weapon, vehicle or item in the game. |
Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.12.14 06:11:00 -
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many people who call themselves "Scotsmen" are people who do it based on where they were born solely.
A true Scotsman is one that has experienced everything Scotland has to offer... They know the best pubs and have perfected the pouring of a pint. Plus, they drink whiskey instead of that swill called water.
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Super Sniper95
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
455
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Posted - 2014.12.14 06:51:00 -
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Just becuse I use a Duvolle AR on my Assault ck.0 doesnt mean I dont know how to fit it, it means I remember the time where the CalAssault were the only assault and want to bring that old memories.
Hand-Eye Coordination Prof 5... Deal with it.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6385
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Posted - 2014.12.14 07:01:00 -
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Super Sniper95 wrote:Just becuse I use a Duvolle AR on my Assault ck.0 doesnt mean I dont know how to fit it, it means I remember the time where the CalAssault were the only assault and want to bring that old memories.
You misunderstood me. I did not mean I am dissapointed with people who choose to modify their suits for a different play style. I meant that I am dissapointed with people who fit their suits for a certain play style and yet use a completely different play style while playing.
A good example is Caldari Assault's who brick tank shields and armor and then choose to fight in CQC with their Rail Rifles. Yet they usually fail because they tried to use a long range weapon in short ranges, failed to use recharges/regulators, completely disregarded the shortcomings of shields and did not even comprehend the benefits of using a shield dropsuit.
This is what I am dissapointed in. The fact that many veteran players continue to fall into this is unnerving.
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Super Sniper95
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
456
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Posted - 2014.12.14 07:15:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Super Sniper95 wrote:Just becuse I use a Duvolle AR on my Assault ck.0 doesnt mean I dont know how to fit it, it means I remember the time where the CalAssault were the only assault and want to bring that old memories. You misunderstood me. I did not mean I am dissapointed with people who choose to modify their suits for a different play style. I meant that I am dissapointed with people who fit their suits for a certain play style and yet use a completely different play style while playing. A good example is Caldari Assault's who brick tank shields and armor and then choose to fight in CQC with their Rail Rifles. Yet they usually fail because they tried to use a long range weapon in short ranges, failed to use recharges/regulators, completely disregarded the shortcomings of shields and did not even comprehend the benefits of using a shield dropsuit. This is what I am dissapointed in. The fact that many veteran players continue to fall into this is unnerving.
Hmm yeah I see your point, yeah armor tanked calassaults, 300 shields amarr/gallente assaults, people sometimes dont really get dropsuits building, but even people using the arr at closer ranges do win sometimes, because the arr it was meant for some quick charge for quicker shots, making it good for CQC, am I right?
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
8825
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:21:00 -
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Seeing Caldari Assaults with 300 shields and 400 armor sickens me.
They are slow as hell and are an easy target and still seem to think that hp > all.
Idiots....all of them. Every single last one of them.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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General John Ripper
26486
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:29:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:many people who call themselves "vets" are people who do it based on time they have been around DUST solely.
A true Vet is one that has experienced everything DUST has had to offer... They know how to run counter fits and how to make use of any weapon, vehicle or item in the game.
I am not a vet because.... **** sniping.
Alt of Jadek.
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Immortal John Ripper
26522
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:29:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:many people who call themselves "vets" are people who do it based on time they have been around DUST solely.
A true Vet is one that has experienced everything DUST has had to offer... They know how to run counter fits and how to make use of any weapon, vehicle or item in the game.
I am not a vet because.... **** sniping.
Alt of Jadek.
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
585
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Posted - 2014.12.14 11:17:00 -
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People add armor to Cal Assault because AR,ScR totaly annihilate them.
Even if Cal will fight at range with RR, he won't kill amarr assault with ScR considering both of them use cover. It would be fight w/o win.
Cuz amarr will poke him with charged ScR, and Cal will kill him if he will try to run.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2633
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Posted - 2014.12.14 11:28:00 -
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In most pub matches, I run a hyper-aggressive in-your-face Cal Scout with a ARR and often just dual scrambler pistols. I wonder what the OP thinks of me. 
Of course I could gain distance and play cat and mouse with them, but I just have more fun closing the distance and out strafing/shooting them -- and I try to use the superior speed of the shield tanked suit to my advantage.
There are many ways to skin a cat, and I'm not afraid to die.
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5022
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Posted - 2014.12.14 11:34:00 -
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I recently specced into the Cal Assault and put Extenders, rechargers and kincts onto it.
Good or bad?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
480
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Posted - 2014.12.14 11:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3568
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Posted - 2014.12.14 13:57:00 -
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Using a shield suit doesn't mean that you have to camp at distances. Shield suits are great for cover, that's it. If one chooses to use the rail rifle because of the great reload bonus (lulz) then they may want to fight at distances. But shield suits doesn't mean that you have to fight at distances.
...in the same manner that armor suits doesn't mean that you have to fight at close range. There is nothing built in armor that gives you resistance in close quarters. Or, resistance at distance in shield suits. You die based on what weapon your enemy is using in regards to your suit and what you are using in relation to theirs.
The issue is the fact that you can do more with armor as far as survivability and offense than you can with shields which makes them more effective suits. Plus, the hp mods are better for armor than they are for shields, etc
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6398
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Posted - 2014.12.14 14:36:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Using a shield suit doesn't mean that you have to camp at distances. Shield suits are great for cover, that's it. If one chooses to use the rail rifle because of the great reload bonus (lulz) then they may want to fight at distances. But shield suits doesn't mean that you have to fight at distances.
...in the same manner that armor suits doesn't mean that you have to fight at close range. There is nothing built in armor that gives you resistance in close quarters. Or, resistance at distance in shield suits. You die based on what weapon your enemy is using in regards to your suit and what you are using in relation to theirs.
The issue is the fact that you can do more with armor as far as survivability and offense than you can with shields which makes them more effective suits. Plus, the hp mods are better for armor than they are for shields, etc
I never said that shield users have to be restricted to long range or that armor tankers must fight in CQC. The Minmatar and Amarr are proof of this. Though the Caldari are best at long range and the Gallente are best at CQC.
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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
238
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Posted - 2014.12.14 14:52:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:many people who call themselves "Scotsmen" are people who do it based on where they were born solely.
A true Scotsman is one that has experienced everything Scotland has to offer... They know the best pubs and have perfected the battering of a mars bar in the local chippy. Plus, they drink whiskey instead of that swill called water.
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1859
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:00:00 -
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As an avid caldari purist i too believe that caldari suits,wepons, vehicles and equipment are actually quite good if used to their strengths most folks i see complaining about caldari teck simply don't really know how to fit shield based suits and vehicles.
Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Quasar Storm
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
367
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:08:00 -
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If you don't have Caldari Shields, You're doing it wrong.
ADS & Tank pilot.
Drifting on Stormy Seas.
The "Eh" Team
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Denchlad 7
Dead Man's Game
1393
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:11:00 -
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Quoting myself:
Quote:However, build a CQC fit for it and its outclassed by Armor, which makes sense, as shield fits are designed for longer ranges. And the issue here is the majority of fights are CQC, due to the nature of the sockets where objectives are. I still find my Shield suits better in Ambush, as there is a higher chance of open-field combat.
The Caldari Assault and Caldari suits in general are for ranged combat. Yes, they can CQC, but they will never be the best.
The 550 Shield 400 Armor Caldari Assaults make me wince. As they always get mauled.
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19/19 Level 5, 19/19 Proficiency 3.
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Henrietta Unknown
Kirjuun Heiian
616
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:33:00 -
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It's a mentality. No matter how well one fits the CalAssault, he/she will fail as long as he/she continues to play like any of the other three races. It requires discipline to take cover earlier than your enemy after sustaining a dent to shield, and then patience and efficiency to wait for regen and then pop out when the enemy is vulnerable.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
3909
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:41:00 -
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I found out that a breach could out damage my Kali at 40m. I still use cal ass with about 279 armor cuz let's face it the 3rd regulator doesn't make much a difference. But I like the min bonus since I use smg that's the suit I tend to use.
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Henrietta Unknown
Kirjuun Heiian
618
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:57:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:I found out that a breach could out damage my Kali at 40m. I still use cal ass with about 279 armor cuz let's face it the 3rd regulator doesn't make much a difference. But I like the min bonus since I use smg that's the suit I tend to use.
A third regulator is indeed pointless. Swap it out for a reactive or a kincat.
You're talking about MinAss right?
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.14 15:59:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I found out that a breach could out damage my Kali at 40m. I still use cal ass with about 279 armor cuz let's face it the 3rd regulator doesn't make much a difference. But I like the min bonus since I use smg that's the suit I tend to use.
A third regulator is indeed pointless. Swap it out for a reactive or a kincat. You're talking about MinAss right?
Cal but yes on my min assault I do the same
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:00:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I found out that a breach could out damage my Kali at 40m. I still use cal ass with about 279 armor cuz let's face it the 3rd regulator doesn't make much a difference. But I like the min bonus since I use smg that's the suit I tend to use.
A third regulator is indeed pointless. Swap it out for a reactive or a kincat. You're talking about MinAss right?
He meant the Caldari Assault.
Heimdallr69, I'd reccomend making use of either biotics, ferroscale or reactives and possibly dampeners or a code breaker if you feel the need.
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
2024
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Posted - 2014.12.14 16:10:00 -
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I like running a full shield tank on my cal assault, but honestly breach ars are so prevalent now, and good that I do much more running than fighting. Three or four shots and my main tank is gone, then running away to let it recharge and then another three or four shots.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
2933
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:18:00 -
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I always see the posts like "If you use the Caldari Assault like you should, it is great! Stay far away and don't fight toe to toe." The thing is that the "don't fight toe to toe" is more to do with the weapon rather than the Caldari Assault. You could use a Gallente Assault with the same mentality using a Rail, Combat, or Scrambler Rifle for the range but if someone gets 'up in yo grill' you still have that armor chassis to keep you alive. It isn't as if the Caldari Assault has some magic about it that makes it better at range than other suits.
Hell, my Caldari Scout fit is built with that in mind. Shields and Dampeners with an Assault Rail Rifle. I sneak into people's backs at 20 meters and open fire at range. If I get caught, I Cloak and Sprint away if I the range engagement is completely unfavorable (IE, I won't win). So why would I use my Prototype Caldari Assault if it is best to play with this type of mentality when I could use my Prototype Scout, lose some HP, but gain a massive amount of speed, be far more difficult to scan, and gain the ever useful Cloak? It is like saying "The Minmatar Commando is like a bad Minmatar Assault"; why not just use the Minmatar Assault?
The problem with this reasoning of "It works great, you have to play differently" is that most other suits don't really work like that. An Assault to everyone else is the guy that charges but Caldari Assaults are 'meant to be played differently.' It doesn't make too much since to have one suit want to play so *vastly* different compared to the rest of the racial choices. Again, how you fight with the Caldari Assault is more to do with the weapon of choice rather than the suit's stats.
I think all the Assault suits are fairly rough but can get by. It is like the Scouts of old: little reason to use them compared to the other suits available. Caldari Assault, at least in my opinion, is the suit that is most hurt by the Assault's shortcomings in being a bad role. Like Scouts before, I really think that Assaults need some massive shake up in order to make them a more appealing choice.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
3914
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:23:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I found out that a breach could out damage my Kali at 40m. I still use cal ass with about 279 armor cuz let's face it the 3rd regulator doesn't make much a difference. But I like the min bonus since I use smg that's the suit I tend to use.
A third regulator is indeed pointless. Swap it out for a reactive or a kincat. You're talking about MinAss right? He meant the Caldari Assault. Heimdallr69, I'd reccomend making use of either biotics, ferroscale or reactives and possibly dampeners or a code breaker if you feel the need.
I run complex ferro, it puts you around 279 armor or something.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4927
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:25:00 -
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Peope who really know how to fit a CalAss drive me nuts, because there are so many fools who just brick it.
I come around the corner to finish them off only to find they are back to 100% shields in the time it took me to reload, and I've regen, oh, 10-15% of my armor at best... Doesn't end well for me.
(Also, OP, I'm sure a lot of people got used to RR ez mode and expect to still be able to do well in CQC.)
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Meeko Fent
True Illuminate
2294
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:34:00 -
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I run my CalSalt with whatever gun I want. Which is not a RR.
The Standard CalSalt works well w/ a brick or regen fit. I wouldn't fit a RR, but I see that if you play well with it then it's worth it.
I like ScRs and CRs over the RR or AR.
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2Berries
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
436
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:36:00 -
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Anyone who uses a RR for CQC is doing it wrong, not just a caldari thing.
Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
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NextDark Knight
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
732
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:02:00 -
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Sadly,, I adjusted my caldari fit to the new meta.. I loaded it with kincats so I can run in and try and hack the point.
If some one spawns in I run away from the objective as fast as I can then try and kill them and run back..
Not sure why EVERYONE forced the caldari into this role but it's literally one of the stupidest things ever. Try CQC a frontline suit with a CK.0 and you get OWNED.
You can check the server been trying to use the RR again.. but sadly it's just not a fun gun anymore. ARR feels like a AR. Just sad..
Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
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Jacques Cayton II
Titans of Phoenix
1224
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:27:00 -
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I love the rr and arr also love my cal suits. Yes even my cal logi
We fight for the future of the State not our
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
587
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:53:00 -
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The other thing is that armor suits feel better when you're fighting in CQC, or with multiple targets.
In some maps there's just not enough cover for Caldaris.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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sir RAVEN WING
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
1853
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Posted - 2014.12.15 07:07:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Seeing Caldari Assaults with 300 shields and 400 armor sickens me.
They are slow as hell and are an easy target and still seem to think that hp > all.
Idiots....all of them. Every single last one of them.
This is true.
Every fiber of my soul wishes to kill the people who do that.
I shield tank
I speed tank
but I will never armour tank.
These may be my final days, but I will live as I would any other day
My loyalty to the State is undying.
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Lac Nokomis
Dust Brazil's KDR
18
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Posted - 2014.12.15 09:14:00 -
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I run a Kincat, C-Reg and a Ferroscale
then
energizers, extenders and a Precision Enhancer or 2.
Only reason I don't run a regulator is... Well... BaRs exist and I find I have ALOT more patience with my gun play if I'm able to compulsively sprint around while in cover.
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The Eristic
Dust 90210
659
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:30:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:many people who call themselves "Scotsmen" are people who do it based on where they were born solely.
A true Scotsman is one that has experienced everything Scotland has to offer... They know the best pubs and have perfected the pouring of a pint. Plus, they drink whiskey instead of that swill called water.
But there is no true Scotsman. ;^)
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
4223
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Posted - 2014.12.15 12:54:00 -
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I like my CalLogi with Duvolle.
Only skilled into it a few months ago, and I enjoy it.
Used to wonder why people'd hang out on the forums but wouldn't play the game...
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