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Valor Goat 106	Posted - 2014.12.12 19:38:00 - [1] - Quote The first reason behind this is for the high PG cost of complex shield extenders, RR and ARR, mandatory for Caldari Assaults. The second reason is that the Caldari Assault (at maxed core skills) has a CPU of 527 and a PG 80: You might think that the CPU/PG ratio is fine because CPU is best for shields but the problem comes when you compare it to those of the other assault suits. Let's compare Caldari assault CPU and PG with those of the other assault suits (numbers are for CCP) Caldari Assault CPU \| PG 527 \| 80 Gallente Assault 499 \| 92 the caldari assault compared to the amarr assault gets +28 CPU at the cost of 12 PG = +5.5% CPU \| -15% PG Amarr Assault 484 \| 97 the caldari assault compared to the amarr assault gets +42 CPU at the cost of 17 PG = +8% CPU \| -21.3% PG Minmatar Assault 515 - 85 the caldari assault compared to the minmatar assault gets+11 CPU at the cost of 5 PG = +2% CPU \| -16% (WOW) Now, you can clearly see that the comparison numbers are unbalanced. The way to fix this is to either increase the CPU to a percentage closer to the percentage of the PG it "loses", or just give it more PG (as implied above I would personally prefer this as the extenders and the ARR eat all the PG, making me have to use a PG extender to fit darn a kin cat). 1EE7
BL4CKST4R Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3459	Posted - 2014.12.12 19:39:00 - [2] - Quote Max out weapon fitting optimization and more CPU for the suit supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Middas Betancore Kang Lo Directorate 290	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:03:00 - [3] - Quote Pg is the cal suits "weakness" I find gotta get that pg optimisation, run more dmg mods and regen mods "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
Ku Shala The Generals 1056	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:08:00 - [4] - Quote its only the proto suit that hurts the advanced is in an ok place, pg mods in high slots for no cpu would be nice too, its harder with laser weapon fitting, try some weapon optimisations you dont see much on the std and advanced but proto weapons makes a difference if you have the sp to spare *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Valor Goat 106	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Max out weapon fitting optimization and more CPU for the suit I have it already but it's still at 8-10 PG with both optimization and Caldari assault fitting reduction bonus on rail weapons (-25%). That's the same/higher than the CR PG cost (with no bonuses applied on it, whereas the caldari weapon considered is at -50% of its original PG). Just wow at the balance. 1EE7
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4212	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:12:00 - [6] - Quote Stop using PG intensive low slot mods. Maybe use a energizer in your highs. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Valor Goat 106	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:13:00 - [7] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: Pg is the cal suits "weakness" I find gotta get that pg optimisation, run more dmg mods and regen mods Yup, you either run more than 1 regen mod (which is not viable as much because it leaves you only with -530 shields HP), or you use PG upgrades, losing a low slot to get your fitting quality close to other assaults'. 1EE7
Ku Shala The Generals 1056	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:13:00 - [8] - Quote what fit are you trying to run Goat? *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Ozaquintus Kinsho Swords Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:17:00 - [9] - Quote I have to agree here, we need a little buff in the next patch. Not so much so that CalAss becomes OP though. The State needs help in these cold days. Will we uplift other animals to sapience? Or condemn them to impunity?
Valor Goat 106	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:19:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Stop using PG intensive low slot mods. Maybe use a energizer in your highs. Guys, the problem is not the fit one wants to be able to make, the problem is the low PG in Caldari Assault in general, adding another disadvantage for players to spec into Caldari assaults. 1EE7

Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13770	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:19:00 - [11] - Quote Would gladly trade some CPU for PG on my Gal Assault. I tend to have an excessive amount left over. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 405	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:22:00 - [12] - Quote Just leave the damn suit alone. Its fine the way it is. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Valor Goat 106	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:24:00 - [13] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Just leave the damn suit alone. Its fine the way it is. Numbers say otherwise... 1EE7
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4212	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Stop using PG intensive low slot mods. Maybe use a energizer in your highs. Guys, the problem is not the fit one wants to be able to make, the problem is the low PG in Caldari Assault in general, adding another disadvantage for players to spec into Caldari assaults. Just made a suit at Proto fits. Proto rail and MagSec Proto flux 3 complex extenders 1 complex energizer 1 complex dmg mod 2 complex shield regulators 1 complex reactive plate 1 compact hive 800 ehp( 530 shields and 270 armour) 50 shield repair a second with a 3 second delay 4.5 armour repair a second 3 PG to spare. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Valor Goat 107	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:36:00 - [15] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Stop using PG intensive low slot mods. Maybe use a energizer in your highs. Guys, the problem is not the fit one wants to be able to make, the problem is the low PG in Caldari Assault in general, adding another disadvantage for players to spec into Caldari assaults Just made a suit at Proto fits. Proto rail and MagSec Proto flux 3 complex extenders 1 complex energizer 1 complex dmg mod 2 complex shield regulators 1 complex reactive plate 1 compact hive 800 ehp( 530 shields and 270 armour) 50 shield repair a second with a 3 second delay 4.5 armour repair a second 3 PG to spare. Your point? Did you read that? 1EE7
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4212	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:40:00 - [16] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Stop using PG intensive low slot mods. Maybe use a energizer in your highs. Guys, the problem is not the fit one wants to be able to make, the problem is the low PG in Caldari Assault in general, adding another disadvantage for players to spec into Caldari assaults Just made a suit at Proto fits. Proto rail and MagSec Proto flux 3 complex extenders 1 complex energizer 1 complex dmg mod 2 complex shield regulators 1 complex reactive plate 1 compact hive 800 ehp( 530 shields and 270 armour) 50 shield repair a second with a 3 second delay 4.5 armour repair a second 3 PG to spare. Your point? Did you read that? For what? As in, what do you need more PG for? If you get more PG then you have to lose CPU and guess what, I have a feeling most Caldari assaults will be angry at that since they run CPU intensive mods and not armour mods as I suspect you are doing. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Valor Goat 107	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:46:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Stop using PG intensive low slot mods. Maybe use a energizer in your highs. Guys, the problem is not the fit one wants to be able to make, the problem is the low PG in Caldari Assault in general, adding another disadvantage for players to spec into Caldari assaults Just made a suit at Proto fits. Proto rail and MagSec Proto flux 3 complex extenders 1 complex energizer 1 complex dmg mod 2 complex shield regulators 1 complex reactive plate 1 compact hive 800 ehp( 530 shields and 270 armour) 50 shield repair a second with a 3 second delay 4.5 armour repair a second 3 PG to spare. Your point? Did you read that? For what? As in, what do you need more PG for? If you get more PG then you have to lose CPU and guess what, I have a feeling most Caldari assaults will be angry at that since they run CPU intensive mods and not armour mods as I suspect you are doing. I need the PG for make the CPU/PG ratio of the CalAssault on par with other assaults'. We should get more PG without losing any CPU or viceversa because of the said bad ratio. Plus I want people who spec into Caldari assaults actually able to get a good fit without having every CPU/PG optimizations at 5 1EE7
Songs of Seraphim Murphys-Law 119	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:02:00 - [18] - Quote You gotta get those optimization skills up, man. Right now I can fit everything proto on my Caldari assault, with the exception of an equipment slot. Raging alcoholic. Quafe is life. Quafe is love.
Valor Goat 107	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:15:00 - [19] - Quote Songs of Seraphim wrote: You gotta get those optimization skills up, man. Right now I can fit everything proto on my Caldari assault, with the exception of an equipment slot. lol7.3m/s EDIT: Again, stfu about fits and get the true point of my proposed PG buff 1EE7
hfderrtgvcd 1503	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:38:00 - [20] - Quote how does your "ratio" prove anything? The cal assault has the least pg but it has the most cpu. Thats because shields extenders use more cpu than armor plates and armor plates use more pg than shield extenders. Its working as intended. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 594	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:40:00 - [21] - Quote All Cal suits proto here. Key to succes is to run at least 2 complex regulators in the low slots. Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 587	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:42:00 - [22] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: how does your "ratio" prove anything? The cal assault has the least pg but it has the most cpu. Thats because shields extenders use more cpu than armor plates and armor plates use more pg than shield extenders. Its working as intended. For the fact that it has by far the least PG but by a little the most CPU. This is not balanced. Take a bow
Songs of Seraphim Murphys-Law 120	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:55:00 - [23] - Quote I think the issue here is trying to fit KinCats without totally gimping the suit. You can't put a complex KinCat an have the suit viable to save your life. Although, I have Rail Rifle optimization 4... I can see newbros having fitting issues... Raging alcoholic. Quafe is life. Quafe is love.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8809	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:02:00 - [24] - Quote You just want to fit everything on your suit. Even I can't do that and I have +60 mil SP. I have to Sacrifice with just an Advanced Needle in my equipment because there's nothing else I can fit besides needles lower than proto on my suit and that's with using the Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle. Sometimes you just can't fit everything you want. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8809	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:02:00 - [25] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: All Cal suits proto here. Key to succes is to run at least 2 complex regulators in the low slots. Finally, A Caldari that knows how to fit his own suit. Those are rare. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.


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