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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1246
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:33:00 -
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Caldari scout 45m+ range brought to about 5 (spend 2.5 mil sp to get a range bonus and have it taken away by your second bonus to cloaks)
Gallante scout, 10% precision is pointless when you only have 2m scan range
Amarr Scout- 25% precision is pointless when you have 2m scan range
Minmatar Scout- No point in 25% Nova Knife damage bonus when it takes forever to decloak and charge. You might as well go put pizza roles in the oven while you wait. P.S. Also, no situational awareness on a scout with 2.5 hp is a recipe for disaster.
Oh wait, a scout without situational awareness is a recipe for disaster.
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Chocolate Juice
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6432
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:38:00 -
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I think at the very least 1.10 will significantly reduce the number of slayer scouts, if not the number of scouts in total.
Hopefully after we are neutered CCP will look into bringing us back up to par.
It just sucks it couldn't have been done differently.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6162
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:40:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Someone who gets it.
Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1247
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:41:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I think at the very least 1.10 will significantly reduce the number of slayer scouts, if not the number of scouts in total.
Hopefully after we are neutered CCP will look into bringing us back up to par.
It just sucks it couldn't have been done differently.
Yeah, CCP does way too many nerfs without seeing how it works out.
Chocolate Juice
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2493
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:42:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Someone who gets it.
Agreed.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1247
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Posted - 2014.12.08 21:45:00 -
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I hope Rattati looks at this thread and realizes the consequences of his decisions.
Chocolate Juice
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6432
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Posted - 2014.12.08 22:00:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:I hope Rattati looks at this thread and realizes the consequences of his decisions.
Pretty sure he is already aware of the sentiment among a lot of people.
I am hoping that he has plans he hasn't told us about yet that will bring these changes into a greater overall, balanced context.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1248
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:32:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I think at the very least 1.10 will significantly reduce the number of slayer scouts, if not the number of scouts in total.
Hopefully after we are neutered CCP will look into bringing us back up to par.
It just sucks it couldn't have been done differently.
true
Chocolate Juice
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
8656
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:34:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Someone who gets it.
How to fix it though?
It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate.
If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1248
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:55:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range.
I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun.
Chocolate Juice
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3858
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
You raise a very good point and I think tha--
*falls over dead with a knife in my back*
"That little shit Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1248
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Posted - 2014.12.08 23:59:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. You raise a very good point and I think tha-- *falls over dead with a knife in my back*
At least 90% of the scout population are terrible at using nova knives.
Chocolate Juice
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2309
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Posted - 2014.12.09 00:17:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range. I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun.
Cloak should be like Eve cloak in that there is a substantive delay between decloak and activating/locking things.
I'm talking 10 seconds minimum, then give Scouts a bonus which cuts it down somewhat (thinking 5 seconds at absolute minimum).
This will stop "Decloak with a shotgun in your face" gameplay. It will make the cloak useful for positioning and not faceganking.
Dust514/Legion should be a(n):
[_] Arcade Lobby Shooter
[X] Sci-fi Military Sim
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Mejt0
Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap
565
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Posted - 2014.12.09 00:17:00 -
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All these cloak/scouts [as a role] nerfs, only nerfed EWAR/NK scouts.
Rifle bricktanked scouts play as always.
Cloak nerf didn't affect SG scouts [the biggest problem here]
We will see how far will CCP go with nerfing cloak/scouts.
Cuz right now it's like : SG scout is a big problem, so lets nerf cloak,ewar. Briliant idea.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6439
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Posted - 2014.12.09 00:25:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:
Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.
Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range. I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun. Cloak should be like Eve cloak in that there is a substantive delay between decloak and activating/locking things (Which should mean in Dust that you will keep your armband for activating a cloak up without the ability to switch to anything until your timer is done). I'm talking 10 seconds minimum, then give Scouts a bonus which cuts it down somewhat (thinking 5 seconds at absolute minimum). This will stop "Decloak with a shotgun in your face" gameplay. It will make the cloak useful for positioning and not faceganking. Also, just to clarify, the delay shouldn't start until you are visible.
While I think there should be a delay, 10 seconds is WAAAAY too long for a FPS.
You could get yourself in position, and have the entire dynamic of an area change in 10 seconds.
While I think there should be a delay, 2 to 3 seconds max is more than enough delay in an FPS.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Sinboto Simmons
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
6595
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Posted - 2014.12.09 00:40:00 -
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Honestly I think I'll just swap my cloak for nanohives on most of my sets, as a Minja it's not like it's helping me much anyway.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
Born of the Brutor tribe
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