DUST Search - Scouts whose bonuses are negated by the Cloak

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR.

Someone who gets it.

How to fix it though?

It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate.

If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range.

I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun.

Cloak should be like Eve cloak in that there is a substantive delay between decloak and activating/locking things (Which should mean in Dust that you will keep your armband for activating a cloak up without the ability to switch to anything until your timer is done).

I'm talking 10 seconds minimum, then give Scouts a bonus which cuts it down somewhat (thinking 5 seconds at absolute minimum).

This will stop "Decloak with a shotgun in your face" gameplay. It will make the cloak useful for positioning and not faceganking.

Also, just to clarify, the delay shouldn't start until you are visible.

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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:33:00 - [1] - Quote Caldari scout 45m+ range brought to about 5 (spend 2.5 mil sp to get a range bonus and have it taken away by your second bonus to cloaks) Gallante scout, 10% precision is pointless when you only have 2m scan range Amarr Scout- 25% precision is pointless when you have 2m scan range Minmatar Scout- No point in 25% Nova Knife damage bonus when it takes forever to decloak and charge. You might as well go put pizza roles in the oven while you wait. P.S. Also, no situational awareness on a scout with 2.5 hp is a recipe for disaster. Oh wait, a scout without situational awareness is a recipe for disaster. Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Chocolate Juice
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6432	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:38:00 - [2] - Quote I think at the very least 1.10 will significantly reduce the number of slayer scouts, if not the number of scouts in total. Hopefully after we are neutered CCP will look into bringing us back up to par. It just sucks it couldn't have been done differently. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6162	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:40:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Someone who gets it. Amarr FW blue dots suck. If you suck :please go and bother Minmatar or Gallente. You'll even win some matches there.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1247	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:41:00 - [4] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I think at the very least 1.10 will significantly reduce the number of slayer scouts, if not the number of scouts in total. Hopefully after we are neutered CCP will look into bringing us back up to par. It just sucks it couldn't have been done differently. Yeah, CCP does way too many nerfs without seeing how it works out. Chocolate Juice
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2493	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:42:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Someone who gets it. Agreed.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1247	Posted - 2014.12.08 21:45:00 - [6] - Quote I hope Rattati looks at this thread and realizes the consequences of his decisions. Chocolate Juice
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6432	Posted - 2014.12.08 22:00:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: I hope Rattati looks at this thread and realizes the consequences of his decisions. Pretty sure he is already aware of the sentiment among a lot of people. I am hoping that he has plans he hasn't told us about yet that will bring these changes into a greater overall, balanced context. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:32:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I think at the very least 1.10 will significantly reduce the number of slayer scouts, if not the number of scouts in total. Hopefully after we are neutered CCP will look into bringing us back up to par. It just sucks it couldn't have been done differently. true Chocolate Juice
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8656	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:34:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:55:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range. I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun. Chocolate Juice
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3858	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. You raise a very good point and I think tha-- falls over dead with a knife in my back "That little shit Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1248	Posted - 2014.12.08 23:59:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. You raise a very good point and I think tha-- falls over dead with a knife in my back At least 90% of the scout population are terrible at using nova knives. Chocolate Juice
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2309	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:17:00 - [13] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range. I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun. Cloak should be like Eve cloak in that there is a substantive delay between decloak and activating/locking things. I'm talking 10 seconds minimum, then give Scouts a bonus which cuts it down somewhat (thinking 5 seconds at absolute minimum). This will stop "Decloak with a shotgun in your face" gameplay. It will make the cloak useful for positioning and not faceganking. Dust514/Legion should be a(n): [_] Arcade Lobby Shooter [X] Sci-fi Military Sim
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 565	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:17:00 - [14] - Quote All these cloak/scouts [as a role] nerfs, only nerfed EWAR/NK scouts. Rifle bricktanked scouts play as always. Cloak nerf didn't affect SG scouts [the biggest problem here] We will see how far will CCP go with nerfing cloak/scouts. Cuz right now it's like : SG scout is a big problem, so lets nerf cloak,ewar. Briliant idea. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6439	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:25:00 - [15] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Moral of story: The shotgun is the root of all problems. The cloak nerfs haven't stopped shotgunning and brick tanked scouts but instead nerfed the real scouts who used EWAR. Someone who gets it. How to fix it though? It has a niche as a high alpha weapon. If that's OP, then it needs lower alpha, but RoF to compensate. If you're not careful, you'll just turn it into a weapon that's similar to a rifle, but with tiny range. I personally would just make the cloak delay only go toward the shotgun. Cloak should be like Eve cloak in that there is a substantive delay between decloak and activating/locking things (Which should mean in Dust that you will keep your armband for activating a cloak up without the ability to switch to anything until your timer is done). I'm talking 10 seconds minimum, then give Scouts a bonus which cuts it down somewhat (thinking 5 seconds at absolute minimum). This will stop "Decloak with a shotgun in your face" gameplay. It will make the cloak useful for positioning and not faceganking. Also, just to clarify, the delay shouldn't start until you are visible. While I think there should be a delay, 10 seconds is WAAAAY too long for a FPS. You could get yourself in position, and have the entire dynamic of an area change in 10 seconds. While I think there should be a delay, 2 to 3 seconds max is more than enough delay in an FPS. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6595	Posted - 2014.12.09 00:40:00 - [16] - Quote Honestly I think I'll just swap my cloak for nanohives on most of my sets, as a Minja it's not like it's helping me much anyway. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe

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