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Banjo Robertson
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.12.07 16:24:00 -
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So lets talk about some plasma cannon variants.
I love this damn thing, really fun to run around in that new LP commando suit with the PLC, or an ISK commando suit with two PLC, but I'd love to see some new variants for the weapon.
So, what kind of variants have been used for other weapons? Assault, Breach, Burst, Charge, Tactical have been used for weapons before.
Lets look at the stats of the current plasma cannon.
GameData wrote:
Allotek Plasma Cannon
1501.5 Direct Damage
313.5 Splash damage (plasma cannon, use splash attack!)
3.5 meter blast radius
0.6 second charge up time
clip size 1
max ammo 9
3.5 second reload speed
117 CPU
0 pg
What we don't know: the 'size' of the plasma ball that is used for hit detection, and the speed that the plasma ball travels. We will just say the ball is size A cubic meters, and it travels at V meters per second. We could calculate the speed from in game testing, but I think using a variable to represent the speed is enough for now.
So, what could we do to this thing to make it different?
Forge Gun is probably the best to compare the Plasma Cannon to, its Assault variant has more splash damage, and a shorter charge up time, and fires when the charge is full which the PLC already does. And its Breach has higher direct damage, and longer charge up time.
Mass Driver is another weapon we can look at, its Assault variant has higher splash radius but lower damage, Breach has higher direct damage but lower radius and splash damage
So the Assault Plasma Cannon could have: lower direct damage, higher splash damage or lower splash damage, shorter charge up time, or larger splash radius. I even think a shorter reload speed as a possiblity to represent an Assault PLC.
The Breach Plasma Cannon could have: higher direct damage, longer charge up time, smaller splash radius, smaller splash damage. I think it could also have a longer reload speed, or even the ability to hold the charge instead of firing right away.
The Burst Plasma Cannon is a little more difficult to guess at, as the two weapons with Burst variants are very much not like the PLC. I think this could be given a clip size of 2, and fire in a way similar to the Kubo plasma cannon. The direct damage could be lowered, maybe even the splash damage.
The Charge Plasma Cannon might be too similar to the Breach, but lets say it could hold its charge until you are ready to fire. Maybe the size of the projectile gets increased so that it gets direct hits easier.
The Tactical Plasma Cannon is another tricky one. Perhaps the charge up time or reload speed would be lowered, and the speed of the projectile is increased.
Any thoughts? Should a new variant 'template' be used for plasma cannon? Or should a variant name that already exists be used in a way not consistant with the current variants to just make for an interesting variant?
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2674
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Posted - 2014.12.07 16:29:00 -
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To be honest man, I dont feel that the plasma cannon needs any variants right now.
Anything that deals with reduced direct damage but increased splash / increased projectile count would be stepping on the toes of the Mass Driver.
Reducing the charge up time is also not needed in my opinion.
I actually cant think of a variation that would actually be worth a damn to be honest. We have the kubo cannon if you want something extra tasty. How about the game actually drops me some kubos CCP!!!
That being said however I would LOVE for CCP to use the plasma cannon as a base for a HEAVY weapon for the gallente and turn it into a plasma mortar type thing. This is something CCP Rattati has said he wants to do.
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Dauth Jenkins
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2014.12.07 18:39:00 -
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the tac would be interesting if it was a variant made for hitting targets farther away. If it flew faster, and with less arc, but did less direct damage and had a smaller splash radius, it would be quite usefull as a mid range anti shield AV weapon.
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--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4944
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Posted - 2014.12.07 18:47:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:To be honest man, I dont feel that the plasma cannon needs any variants right now.
Yup.
It's like asking for a Burst Laser Rifle, as of now. |
Dingleburt Bangledack
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Posted - 2014.12.07 18:51:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:To be honest man, I dont feel that the plasma cannon needs any variants right now. Yup. It's like asking for a Burst Laser Rifle, as of now.
While I can wholeheartedly agree with both of you, I won't lie... A Breach PLC would make me feel funny in my pants...  |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:28:00 -
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We are getting the Plasma Mortar. It is a heavy variant of the Plasma Cannon.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.18 04:54:00 -
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Assault Plasma Cannon - Less parabolic trajectory, more projectile speed, less Direct Damage, less splash damage, same splash radius and two shots before reload.
Breach Plasma Cannon - Fires like old plasma Cannon (More parabolic trajectory, less projectile speed) immensely more direct damage, same splash damage, more splash radius and single shot only.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
Random Gunz
806
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Posted - 2015.01.18 05:33:00 -
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Would like 3 billion Kubo's plc's, not variants. PLC is unique, let's leave it that way
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2015.01.18 05:58:00 -
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Variants are fun. Variants increase diversity. Diversity is good.
Anybody who does not want more variants of weapons is categorically mad, does not have the best interests of the game at heart , and is thus deserving of a severe case of hemorrhoids.
Do want an assault plasma cannon.
*blah blah, [insert drivel about such a thing stepping on the toes of the mass driver], blah blah, I am a moron, blah blah*
Oh, like how we have four racial rifles and a bunch of variants therein? Don't want toe stepping? Apply that consistently. Remove weapon variants from all weapons, specifically rifles. After all, variants are there for some 'ol toe steppage: their reason for being.
THAT'LL MAKE THE GAME MORE FUN! YEAH! LESS VARIETY, LESS VARIATION!*
*caps because screw you
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2285
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:33:00 -
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GÇóTactical Plasma CannonGÇó
High flight speed Plasma Cannon with considerably less damage. One focused on speed and range rather than direct damage or splash.
DPS is much lower.
Anti infantry capabilities different. Not worse. Better at killing lighter suits, but not as good at Commando or Sentinel killing, though.
More like an anti-tank gun or anti-materiel rifle than the Plasma Cannon we know.
GÇóDamage: 775/890.154/1052.54
GÇóProjectile Speed: 650 m/s
GÇóProjectile Drop: 8 m/s-¦ (this means it will have dropped about 2.0-2.5m by the time it reaches its 300m absolute range)
GÇóSplash Damage: 110
GÇóSplash Radius: 1.0m
GÇóAutodetonation Range: 300m
GÇóReload Speed: Same
GÇóSpool Time: 0.6 seconds (Same)
GÇóAssault Plasma CannonGÇó
Multishot Plasma Cannon that is more similar to the Mass Driver.
More splash and the like, but with drastically reduced damage per shot.
The end result is sort of like a Bolt Pistol with projectile drop/speed and a huge splash. Huh.
GÇóDamage: 200/235/270
GÇóMax RoF: 100
GÇóDirect DPS: 333.33/391.66/450
GÇóSplash Damage: 130/153.27/176.54
GÇóSplash Radius: 5.0m/5.25m/5.5m
GÇóSplash DPS: 222.22/255.45/294.23
GÇóSpool Time: 0.6s per shot
GÇóMag Size: 4
GÇóDamage Per Mag: 800/940/1100 (520/613.08/706.16 Splash)
GÇóReload Speed: Same
GÇóAccuracy and Projectile Speed/Drop is identical to base Plasma Cannon.
GÇóCPU: Same.
GÇóPG: Same.
GÇóBreach Plasma CannonGÇó
Essentially the old Plasma Cannon, but without the bugs, and a lot more damage per shot. For those of us that miss the old Plasma Cannon, but still like the performance of the current one.
GÇóDamage: 2105/2482/2860
GÇóSpool Time: 0.6s
GÇóReload Speed: Same
GÇóProjectile Speed and Drop Speed is reverted to the old stats, whatever those may be.
GÇóCPU: Same
GÇóPG: Same
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1918
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:38:00 -
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Rattati made a post long ago when he first started playing around with weapons: at first he made a HMG that fired forge gun rounds, he and logibro laughed cause this thing was clearly overpowered.
Then he and logibro made a burst plasma cannon... He and logibro both said they refuse to speak of that weapon. It was a thing of pure evil, but it was an insidious corrupting form of evil - it leads on to think that it might potentially be balanceable... But that's what it wants you to think, for it truly is a thing of pure evil. The burst plasma cannon now lies chained to a stone slab locked in a deep dark dungeon, guarded by monster things like hmgs that fire forge gun rounds, raging that it shall never be free to corrupt dust. For while the forge-hmgs are clearly beings of evil, they aren't the same type of subtle insidious evil that is the burst plc.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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LUGMOS
Quafe Premium
1601
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Posted - 2015.01.18 07:28:00 -
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I've been using the PLC because its a beast, and once you get to know it, it reks all who stand against you.
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