DUST Search - The E-war Logi

Vitantur Nothus wrote:

Current Logi Precision
45 dB - Base
41 dB - Max Passives
32 dB- 1 Cmp Precision
27 dB - 2 Cmp Precision
24 dB - 3 Cmp Precision
22 dB - 4 Cmp Precision
22 dB - 5 Cmp Precision

Current Logi Scan Range
15.0 m - Base
22.5 m - Max Passives
32.6 m - 1 Cmp Range
45.4 m - 2 Cmp Range
57.0 m - 3 Cmp Range
64.3 m - 4 Cmp Range
67.4 m - 5 Cmp Range

Future Logi Precision / Range
Complicated Big smile

Unit_Type Unit_Name Ct_Precision Ct_Range Short(m) Mid(m) Long(m) Short(dB) Mid(dB) Long(dB)
MedFrameLogi0081938204153
MedFrameLogi1081938163242
MedFrameLogi2081938132735
MedFrameLogi3081938122431
MedFrameLogi4081938112229
MedFrameLogi5081938112228
MedFrameLogi0192243204153
MedFrameLogi1192243163242
MedFrameLogi2192243132735
MedFrameLogi3192243122431
MedFrameLogi4192243112229
MedFrameLogi5192243112228
MedFrameLogi02102449204153
MedFrameLogi12102449163242
MedFrameLogi22102449132735
MedFrameLogi32102449122431
MedFrameLogi42102449112229
MedFrameLogi52102449112228
MedFrameLogi03112653204153
MedFrameLogi13112653163242
MedFrameLogi23112653132735
MedFrameLogi33112653122431
MedFrameLogi43112653112229
MedFrameLogi53112653112228
MedFrameLogi04112855204153
MedFrameLogi14112855163242
MedFrameLogi24112855132735
MedFrameLogi34112855122431
MedFrameLogi44112855112229
MedFrameLogi54112855112228
MedFrameLogi05112856204153
MedFrameLogi15112856163242
MedFrameLogi25112856132735
MedFrameLogi35112856122431

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KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6115	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:12:00 - [1] - Quote SO i've noticed logis have pretty decent SCan Precision. I've been looking specially the AMARR and the GAL (gal for the active scanners) With NO Precision enhancers they already have 40.5 db, meaning they already see all heavies pretty well and Assaults unless they are dampened. And with 1 cx precision enhancer they have 32.4db, meaning they can detect most undampened scouts if not all. They have (at level 5 passives) 22.5mtrs Scan range and with only 1 Cx Range amp they have 32.6Mtrs range. I've been thinking of double prec enhanced Amarr Logi with 1 cx range amp or a GAl Logi With triple Profile DAmpeners and double proto active scanners.... (planned equipment, at least 1proto scanner, 1 proto uplink and 1 adv nanohive) So, my question is, anyone has tried using E-war, specifically scanning, on logis? Any ideas? Is this really stupid? Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 616	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:27:00 - [2] - Quote Just use a gal logi with 3 active scanners to ruin the oppositions day. Nothing is more punishing then beeing scanned in ambush and then chased by 16 people. The passive bonuses are not really worth it so you might want to put damage mods in your highslots so if some 1 gets close you could drop him rather quickly. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1562	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:29:00 - [3] - Quote It's not stupid as if your playstyle is really supportive, few meters behind your slayer friends, then it makes sense to give up some HP to give wallhack to friends. I've tried a rep-slave logi with scans but currently the HP sacrifice to detection amount ratio is not good enough. in 1.9, the HP trumps. That might change. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6115	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:30:00 - [4] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Just use a gal logi with 3 active scanners to ruin the oppositions day. Nothing is more punishing then beeing scanned in ambush and then chased by 16 people. The passive bonuses are not really worth it so you might want to put damage mods in your highslots so if some 1 gets close you could drop him rather quickly. I guess thats a way to see it. Not very Visionary but surely effective. The Gal Logi would be the most effective in this case i assume... Ty for the contribution. :) Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Duke Noobiam The Dukes of Death 275	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:41:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO i've noticed logis have pretty decent SCan Precision. I've been looking specially the AMARR and the GAL (gal for the active scanners) With NO Precision enhancers they already have 40.5 db, meaning they already see all heavies pretty well and Assaults unless they are dampened. And with 1 cx precision enhancer they have 32.4db, meaning they can detect most undampened scouts if not all. They have (at level 5 passives) 22.5mtrs Scan range and with only 1 Cx Range amp they have 32.6Mtrs range. I've been thinking of double prec enhanced Amarr Logi with 1 cx range amp or a GAl Logi With triple Profile DAmpeners and double proto active scanners.... (planned equipment, at least 1proto scanner, 1 proto uplink and 1 adv nanohive) So, my question is, anyone has tried using E-war, specifically scanning, on logis? Any ideas? Is this really stupid? I've run two complex range extenders and two complex precision modules on a proto min logi when I was in squad repping heavies. It was effective, best passive ewar outside the scouts and I was still able to have two plates and two shield extenders. That said, the whole passive scan meta is going to change in 1. 10 and at first glance it looks like it will be better for logies than right now BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6118	Posted - 2014.12.05 23:28:00 - [6] - Quote Well , my objective is to plant a couple of Proto links. And camp by them until they are depleted. (new game style, Blue/Uplink CAmping) Let the whole team spawn safely at a good position with cover. Thats why im considering damp or Scan as options to increase detection of threats and protect my beautiful uplinks... How nice am i? Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 714	Posted - 2014.12.05 23:33:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Well , my objective is to plant a couple of Proto links. And camp by them until they are depleted. (new game style, Blue/Uplink CAmping) Let the whole team spawn safely at a good position with cover. Thats why im considering damp or Scan as options to increase detection of threats and protect my beautiful uplinks... How nice am i? Just throw an RE on top of it. Then when the SG/ NK guys go to destroy it, they kill themselves in the process. Always good for some LOL's. Of course, with a proto uplink that is too expensive and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4898	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:35:00 - [8] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Well , my objective is to plant a couple of Proto links. And camp by them until they are depleted. (new game style, Blue/Uplink CAmping) Let the whole team spawn safely at a good position with cover. Thats why im considering damp or Scan as options to increase detection of threats and protect my beautiful uplinks... How nice am i? Just throw an RE on top of it. Then when the SG/ NK guys go to destroy it, they kill themselves in the process. Always good for some LOL's. Of course, with a proto uplink that is too expensive and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. uses Flux Grenades sees two +5 chuckles
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1026	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:58:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: SO i've noticed logis have pretty decent SCan Precision. I've been looking specially the AMARR and the GAL (gal for the active scanners) With NO Precision enhancers they already have 40.5 db, meaning they already see all heavies pretty well and Assaults unless they are dampened. And with 1 cx precision enhancer they have 32.4db, meaning they can detect most undampened scouts if not all. They have (at level 5 passives) 22.5mtrs Scan range and with only 1 Cx Range amp they have 32.6Mtrs range. I've been thinking of double prec enhanced Amarr Logi with 1 cx range amp or a GAl Logi With triple Profile DAmpeners and double proto active scanners.... (planned equipment, at least 1proto scanner, 1 proto uplink and 1 adv nanohive) So, my question is, anyone has tried using E-war, specifically scanning, on logis? Any ideas? Is this really stupid? I would wait til 1.10, then re-assess. I've tried seeing what it's like to run a Gal Assault as a scout (a "Scout-Heavy" if you will, the opposite of Assault-Lite). The range is what screws you over. EWAR is nothing without range. I can put two PDs and two PEs easily on an ADV GalAssault and match scouts easy at that EWAR level with more HP, but the 10m base range makes it pretty crap. The scout at 20m has a massive advantage. 1.10 is throwing that out the window, and if I've understood the patch notes correctly, ranges are generally going to be bloody tiny - 4 / 10 / 20 for most suits. The logi will be slightly better than any other class, scout included, but not by much. Range Amps are also taking a massive hit, 45% down to 15%. I really hope I've misinterpreted it all, but at the ranges they're slating, my negative side is telling me EWAR will be mostly pointless. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 715	Posted - 2014.12.06 01:45:00 - [10] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Thokk Nightshade wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Well , my objective is to plant a couple of Proto links. And camp by them until they are depleted. (new game style, Blue/Uplink CAmping) Let the whole team spawn safely at a good position with cover. Thats why im considering damp or Scan as options to increase detection of threats and protect my beautiful uplinks... How nice am i? Just throw an RE on top of it. Then when the SG/ NK guys go to destroy it, they kill themselves in the process. Always good for some LOL's. Of course, with a proto uplink that is too expensive and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. uses Flux Grenades sees two +5 chuckles Yes, but you use common sense. I don't know how many times I've been randomly running around and a +50 Kill pops up on my screen. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1015	Posted - 2014.12.06 05:28:00 - [11] - Quote Current Logi Precision 45 dB - Base 41 dB - Max Passives 32 dB- 1 Cmp Precision 27 dB - 2 Cmp Precision 24 dB - 3 Cmp Precision 22 dB - 4 Cmp Precision 22 dB - 5 Cmp Precision Current Logi Scan Range 15.0 m - Base 22.5 m - Max Passives 32.6 m - 1 Cmp Range 45.4 m - 2 Cmp Range 57.0 m - 3 Cmp Range 64.3 m - 4 Cmp Range 67.4 m - 5 Cmp Range Future Logi Precision / Range Complicated Unit_Type, Unit, Ct_Precision, Ct_Range, Short(m), Mid(m), Long(m), Short(dB), Mid(dB), Long(dB) MedFrameLogi0081938204153 MedFrameLogi1081938163242 MedFrameLogi2081938132735 MedFrameLogi3081938122431 MedFrameLogi4081938112229 MedFrameLogi5081938112228 MedFrameLogi0192243204153 MedFrameLogi1192243163242 MedFrameLogi2192243132735 MedFrameLogi3192243122431 MedFrameLogi4192243112229 MedFrameLogi5192243112228 MedFrameLogi02102449204153 MedFrameLogi12102449163242 MedFrameLogi22102449132735 MedFrameLogi32102449122431 MedFrameLogi42102449112229 MedFrameLogi52102449112228 MedFrameLogi03112653204153 MedFrameLogi13112653163242 MedFrameLogi23112653132735 MedFrameLogi33112653122431 MedFrameLogi43112653112229 MedFrameLogi53112653112228 MedFrameLogi04112855204153 MedFrameLogi14112855163242 MedFrameLogi24112855132735 MedFrameLogi34112855122431 MedFrameLogi44112855112229 MedFrameLogi54112855112228 MedFrameLogi05112856204153 MedFrameLogi15112856163242 MedFrameLogi25112856132735 MedFrameLogi35112856122431
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4705	Posted - 2014.12.06 06:00:00 - [12] - Quote I currently use 2 complex precisions on my ak.0 and have caught a few clackers running around. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6128	Posted - 2014.12.08 14:54:00 - [13] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Current Logi Precision 45 dB - Base 41 dB - Max Passives 32 dB- 1 Cmp Precision 27 dB - 2 Cmp Precision 24 dB - 3 Cmp Precision 22 dB - 4 Cmp Precision 22 dB - 5 Cmp Precision Current Logi Scan Range 15.0 m - Base 22.5 m - Max Passives 32.6 m - 1 Cmp Range 45.4 m - 2 Cmp Range 57.0 m - 3 Cmp Range 64.3 m - 4 Cmp Range 67.4 m - 5 Cmp Range Future Logi Precision / Range Complicated Unit_Type Unit_Name Ct_Precision Ct_Range Short(m) Mid(m) Long(m) Short(dB) Mid(dB) Long(dB) MedFrameLogi0081938204153 MedFrameLogi1081938163242 MedFrameLogi2081938132735 MedFrameLogi3081938122431 MedFrameLogi4081938112229 MedFrameLogi5081938112228 MedFrameLogi0192243204153 MedFrameLogi1192243163242 MedFrameLogi2192243132735 MedFrameLogi3192243122431 MedFrameLogi4192243112229 MedFrameLogi5192243112228 MedFrameLogi02102449204153 MedFrameLogi12102449163242 MedFrameLogi22102449132735 MedFrameLogi32102449122431 MedFrameLogi42102449112229 MedFrameLogi52102449112228 MedFrameLogi03112653204153 MedFrameLogi13112653163242 MedFrameLogi23112653132735 MedFrameLogi33112653122431 MedFrameLogi43112653112229 MedFrameLogi53112653112228 MedFrameLogi04112855204153 MedFrameLogi14112855163242 MedFrameLogi24112855132735 MedFrameLogi34112855122431 MedFrameLogi44112855112229 MedFrameLogi54112855112228 MedFrameLogi05112856204153 MedFrameLogi15112856163242 MedFrameLogi25112856132735 MedFrameLogi35112856122431 So 2 comp ranges and 2 comp precisions should do it huh...? (looks @ Cal Logi) Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4857	Posted - 2014.12.08 15:11:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Current Logi Precision 45 dB - Base 41 dB - Max Passives 32 dB- 1 Cmp Precision 27 dB - 2 Cmp Precision 24 dB - 3 Cmp Precision 22 dB - 4 Cmp Precision 22 dB - 5 Cmp Precision Current Logi Scan Range 15.0 m - Base 22.5 m - Max Passives 32.6 m - 1 Cmp Range 45.4 m - 2 Cmp Range 57.0 m - 3 Cmp Range 64.3 m - 4 Cmp Range 67.4 m - 5 Cmp Range Future Logi Precision / Range Complicated Unit_Type Unit_Name Ct_Precision Ct_Range Short(m) Mid(m) Long(m) Short(dB) Mid(dB) Long(dB) eyes start to bleed So 2 comp ranges and 2 comp precisions should do it huh...? (looks @ Cal Logi) Yeah, Cal logi might be the way to go for eWar considering the crazy amount of slots it has. Currently I run just I complex precision mod on all my Amarr logis. Works reasonably well. The way I see it, the tradeoff to see actual damped scouts is not worth it in terms of the other things I need to do, particularly since there will always be some I will never see no matter what. I take my max passives and the one mod to keep the lazy scouts at bay. That said, this patch has so much going on between bandwidth and eWar that it's a definite possibility I will just scrap my entire fittings list and start over from a blank slate. (The godfather of tactical logistics)


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