DUST Search - Caldari Scout hit box issue (True issue or myth?

Vesta Opalus wrote:

Valor Goat wrote:

Vesta Opalus wrote:

CrotchGrab 360 wrote:

Valor Goat wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ
Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here.

i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team.

Proves that its broken or proves that its fine? There was alot of misses on both scout suits and no breakdown on hits and misses that should not have happened vs. misses and hits that should have happened.

Nor is there any way in this video to really correlate the results on each suit since the distances/angles/hit points (where the bullet hits on the model) were not identical on each test.

All this video seems to show is that both suits are hard to hit when they are moving, since the guy missed quite a bit for both.

Im not even sure if OP thinks this video proves it one way or the other or if its just provided for discussion.

Discussion. Not really sure of what I've seen.

Yeah thats what it sounded like, just wasnt sure.

As far as Im concerned I havent noticed anything special about the cal scout, all the scouts seem to be incredibly hard to hit while in motion. I think the problems most people see is that the hit detection in this game gets worse as your target gets faster and your fps gets lower.

This whole broken hitbox on calscout meme seems like just a bunch of whining with zero solid evidence.

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Valor Goat 17	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:11:00 - [1] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. 1EE7
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1613	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:30:00 - [2] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team. DUST VIDEOS
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 471	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:41:00 - [3] - Quote Programming can be a tricky thing. The hit box may be fine, appears to be in the vid, but there could be other bugs in the code or issues with the servers and even hit detection. What I do know is I have run both caldari and minmatar in the same match and even though the minmatar is faster it doesn't evade like the caldari with both shield tanking. Would like to see a vid on minmatar hit box, could it be bugged??? So mad I could eat a chimichanga, swallow a marble, chug a quafe, bend over, fart, and drop an amarian from 100 meters..
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 221	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:48:00 - [4] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team. Proves that its broken or proves that its fine? There was alot of misses on both scout suits and no breakdown on hits and misses that should not have happened vs. misses and hits that should have happened. Nor is there any way in this video to really correlate the results on each suit since the distances/angles/hit points (where the bullet hits on the model) were not identical on each test. All this video seems to show is that both suits are hard to hit when they are moving, since the guy missed quite a bit for both. Im not even sure if OP thinks this video proves it one way or the other or if its just provided for discussion.
Valor Goat 18	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:58:00 - [5] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team. The strafing mechanic is common to all suits so it has nothing to do with a suit's hitbox itself. And than we're talking about hits, not damage registered. 1EE7
Valor Goat 18	Posted - 2014.12.04 18:59:00 - [6] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team. Proves that its broken or proves that its fine? There was alot of misses on both scout suits and no breakdown on hits and misses that should not have happened vs. misses and hits that should have happened. Nor is there any way in this video to really correlate the results on each suit since the distances/angles/hit points (where the bullet hits on the model) were not identical on each test. All this video seems to show is that both suits are hard to hit when they are moving, since the guy missed quite a bit for both. Im not even sure if OP thinks this video proves it one way or the other or if its just provided for discussion. Discussion. Not really sure of what I've seen. 1EE7
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 495	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:03:00 - [7] - Quote Without being on the enemy team this test only shows the existance of a the caldari scout hit box. You have to be on the enemy team to check if damage consistently registers on it. TRIGGER WARNING: Anecdotal evidence inboud I only have the basic caldari light frame, not even the scout. There's been times where i dang near stood still in the suit and survived 1 vs 1 agaisnt heavies. That for me was the purest indicator something was up. Stuff i can't survive in my similarly fit minmatar scout, or assault i can with the caldari. The relatively speed and high hp regen does play a factor, people miss alot, and even if you take some damage ,with a basic energizer you get bout 75 shield regen a second. Also alot of people use anti armor weapons, RR and CBRs, which have a damage penalty vs shields as well. Still you need to test it out as in a blue vs red environment. Message me in game if you want to test some ideas out. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 222	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:04:00 - [8] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team. Proves that its broken or proves that its fine? There was alot of misses on both scout suits and no breakdown on hits and misses that should not have happened vs. misses and hits that should have happened. Nor is there any way in this video to really correlate the results on each suit since the distances/angles/hit points (where the bullet hits on the model) were not identical on each test. All this video seems to show is that both suits are hard to hit when they are moving, since the guy missed quite a bit for both. Im not even sure if OP thinks this video proves it one way or the other or if its just provided for discussion. Discussion. Not really sure of what I've seen. Yeah thats what it sounded like, just wasnt sure. As far as Im concerned I havent noticed anything special about the cal scout, all the scouts seem to be incredibly hard to hit while in motion. I think the problems most people see is that the hit detection in this game gets worse as your target gets faster and your fps gets lower. This whole broken hitbox on calscout meme seems like just a bunch of whining with zero solid evidence.
Valor Goat 18	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:28:00 - [9] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Valor Goat wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. i guess it proves it somewhat but he wasn't strafing nor was he on the enemy team. Proves that its broken or proves that its fine? There was alot of misses on both scout suits and no breakdown on hits and misses that should not have happened vs. misses and hits that should have happened. Nor is there any way in this video to really correlate the results on each suit since the distances/angles/hit points (where the bullet hits on the model) were not identical on each test. All this video seems to show is that both suits are hard to hit when they are moving, since the guy missed quite a bit for both. Im not even sure if OP thinks this video proves it one way or the other or if its just provided for discussion. Discussion. Not really sure of what I've seen. Yeah thats what it sounded like, just wasnt sure. As far as Im concerned I havent noticed anything special about the cal scout, all the scouts seem to be incredibly hard to hit while in motion. I think the problems most people see is that the hit detection in this game gets worse as your target gets faster and your fps gets lower. This whole broken hitbox on calscout meme seems like just a bunch of whining with zero solid evidence. Yeah that's the main thing here, looking at projectile weapons users (and anti-armor weapons users in general) whining about it with also zero proofs and whatnot is seriously irritating. Agreed on the rest. 1EE7
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1141	Posted - 2014.12.04 19:48:00 - [10] - Quote I see that the Gallente scout got hit more, but that may be because the person with the AR was firing differently. Cal scout = fires where the scout is at the second he's running Gal scout = Fires ahead of the scout while he is running. Also the Gal scout melee'd before being shot... This just seems like someone wants calscouts hitbox buffed/nerfed RPG!. The Ultimate Forum Passing-Time MetaGame!

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2432	Posted - 2014.12.04 20:39:00 - [11] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: This just seems like someone wants calscouts hitbox buffed/nerfed +1 I didn't see any proof of a hitbox issue in that video.
Mex-0 204	Posted - 2014.12.04 20:45:00 - [12] - Quote I'm waiting for a scrub to say "LOL it's broken he didn't take any damage" Meh, I give up on FW.
Valor Goat 19	Posted - 2014.12.04 20:48:00 - [13] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I see that the Gallente scout got hit more, but that may be because the person with the AR was firing differently. Cal scout = fires where the scout is at the second he's running Gal scout = Fires ahead of the scout while he is running. Also the Gal scout melee'd before being shot... This just seems like someone wants calscouts hitbox buffed/nerfed Who? I don't and the guy in the video brought that up just to prove if it was a true issue or not. 1EE7
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 511	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:06:00 - [14] - Quote These broken hitbox speculations are getting annoying. Not directing anger towards the OP though, just saying this in general.
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 674	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:26:00 - [15] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. You need to run your tests on the c/1-series. The std and pro scouts hitboxes are fine. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Valor Goat 23	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:30:00 - [16] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. You need to run your tests on the c/1-series. The std and pro scouts hitboxes are fine. I did not make the vid. Nor I'm saying Caldari scouts' hit box is broken for those who thought it. Also, here is the second vid with the cal scout being on opposite team https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8C2LYxh03Q 1EE7
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 176	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:52:00 - [17] - Quote That video was much more interesting, at 2.19, you can clearly see the scout took two hits but lost no HP... The rest of the time there is no hits at all, the question is is that acceptable or not? This can be done with other suits than the Cal scout, strafing allows you to get through bullets without hits being recorded as long as you're not a heavy. To me the 2 hits not doing damage are what make people think the Cal scout hitbox is broken. Also the tests should be ran with CR and ACR as the assault rifle has probably the best hit detection in the game, it is less sensitive to strafing/bad hitboxes
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1364	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:58:00 - [18] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3urK2QX58fQ Thought this vid didn't receive enough attention and comments so I'm bringing this here. Actually,to me,it seemed as if the shot was too slow. He shot at the scout,only to have the round land behind it. Projectile speed needs to be increased. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2436	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:19:00 - [19] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: These broken hitbox speculations are getting annoying. Not directing anger towards the OP though, just saying this in general. Kind of like the myth that MKB has some inherent strafing advantage. Things like this have a life of their own that defies logic, except perhaps that it's easier to blame a broken game rather than one's own lack of gun game.
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 590	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:46:00 - [20] - Quote Note #1: Mid range and Long range engagements have not seen anomalies in Calscout hitboxes. Even my Rail Rifle chews through their shields fine. Bugged hit box "sensation" comes from close range engagements, or at least in my experience. It's much harder to track any strafing scout in CQC. I've run Cal Scout, even have proto, and it is impacted by lag as much as any other suit (I've seen a Min Assault lag out in strafe, was some DJINN guy) (meanwhile I can get hit by an HMG'er when he's not even facing me, due to lag). Public Announcement: Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.



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