I honestly can't remember the last time I played in a good game of Dust. Every match is a stomp, but not even the stomps of old where the stompees would at least put up a bit of a fight. They just AFK or redline snipe. It is equally unsatisfying whether you're on the stomper team or the stompee team.

It's a sad situation since the actual balance of the weapons and suits is as good as it has been. CCP simply provide blueberries with no incentive to leave the redline if their team is losing. The game is designed so you hemorrhage ISK if you attack the points on a losing team, but get the big bucks for hiding back at the MCC. This makes no sense whatsoever from a lore perspective and is an atrocious design for an FPS. Such a waste when the core game is actually in a pretty good place.

Six months or a year ago you would OFTEN have games with players on the losing side with 20+ kills, and with most of the players within 50m of the point. The game was horribly balanced, but at least people played it. But now you never see more than three or four of the 'losing' team near the point, and typically no one has more than 10 kills on the losing side. Teams just give up they moment they go behind, if not before. If you're on the 'winning' team it is a struggle to find anyone to shoot at. The map is so empty, and games drag on forever. You sometimes used to have games like this, but not every single game (in Domination at least).

PS - I realize this is GD, so this thread will inevitably fill up with terrible players telling me about how I could be as great as them if only I did the moronic things they do...

PPS - no, you can't have my ISK, scrub

I find it's only like 1 game per night, out of maybe 10 games.

I went 36-5 yesterday which was OK, it was domination, the objective flipped, they had a lot of heavies but everyone else on their team was in a MLT suit. I was in a <500hp lolfit which probably didn't help me dying.

Other than that we got redlined the next game, next game we redlined them and they camped on the roof.

I find skirmish to be unplayable due to the size of the map. You're right though dude, it's boring.

I don't see games like that anymore

PPS - no, you can't have my ISK, scrub

AWww. I wanted iskies....u.u

But i know where you are coming from.

I play solo most of the time and to be honest is not only the new players that dont have incentive to leave the redline....


After loosing several good fits in a battle, if i notice thee is NO ONE, and i mean NO ONE pushing, i'll go ahead and snipe ( this is actually a new thing for me, its my first week sniping in all of my history of DUST).
The thing is, fighting HARD even while being protostomped was one of my main characteristics. NEver give up. ALways fight.etc... blabla..

But lately i find myself ALONE in a 400+600 mts square area. ALONE.
Like. If i use my amarr scout i see at least 6-9 red berries surrounding me at all times...Can i hack something? F*** no, i'll get killed from behind. CAn i kill enemies? Sure. I have to be REALLY pacient and wait for a single red dot to go through, hopefully not a sentinel with 1600 EHP. Sometimes i shouldnt even try to kill anybody because they are all running in 3-6 man squads with proto gear and even if i get to kill one or two of them its 100% guaranteed im going to die...


So as a veteran in Dust514, that can use Proto gear, Pushing and droping uplinks could lead to the blues appearing at the uplinks and following me.
But now... even if i drop 5 uplinks and stay near them so that reds wont spawn camp my scrubs, the blues wont appear. Its just me there, sitting by the uplinks, Polishing my SCR/RR....waiting to be found by a squad of scouts....and being done in by them.

and in Faction war, its even worse. Because no matter how much WP you get. How many f**** you kill and how much you hacked, in the end, you will get 200LP.

2 0 0 LP.

Pushing alone. in Pubs, in FW. Training noobs. Giving them money for skillbooks.... I went from 150 million to 800.000 ISK.

So please. Dont be too hard on me if after 2-5 deaths i start sniping behind the redline....(and ask for you isk XD)

Yep, you used to be able to drop some links and coax the blues into pushing. This doesn't help anymore.

Probably because of the jackasses that put out all the high uplinks that lead to the blues getting farmed as they jump down. Again, ****** playerbase using gimmicks to get WP without actually participating in the FPS.

Put your team on your back and carry it.

Maybe reduce the frequency of 4-5 point maps for skirmish? 3 objectives is already quite a stretch with 16 players.

This has nothing to do with anything and if you don't like highly placed spawns then say so and use that propaganda as such instead of using this topic to spread such propaganda .

You people are trying to vanilla this game up like COD or BF while taking and knocking every aspect of strategic game play out of this .

Some lay spawns in strategic places , they might be high but so what .?. get off your @$$ and do something about it like combat it instead of trying to have these methods banned and from your comment it sounds like your in favor of such .

This has nothing to do with the state of pub matches and why there so crappy now , the problem is matchmaking or lack there of and the fact that players don't want to go up against q-synced squads or mixed proto squads of players who's intentions are nothing but stomping the opposite team because they know that the computer will place them against random players .

That's the REAL problem .

Don't like high spawns then this is not the thread for that , you have your soap box from others who like to see things in there face and that's the only way to handle things for them other then changing there own tactics and actually clearing up those spawns .

If you did I just don't think that you would have made the statement that you did .

Witch hunter .

I like skirmish better than domination by a LONG shot.

I have more 8-7 domination matches that my team won with 95% shields remaining on the MCC than I want to recall.

In a dom the actual MCC game is - at least to me - irrelevant. The enjoyment comes from the fact that everyone on each team knows exactly which direction to go for a fight.

If the matchmaking doesn't have a hickup there will be a fight somewhere between the objective and the losing side's redline - and all active players will be involved in that one fight.

Gameplay-wise it's a bit like an ambush - except without the 'smart' spawn and a redline to fall back into when the teams are uneven.

Conceptually I like skirmish more than domination too, but there really is no way of covering 5 objectives in a meaningful manner when a third of the team is AFKing or sniping. Even a map like manus peak would be more fun with 24 players per side to increase the density of action.

I think we need something new, some like a map without redlines, some like a "tunnel" where the people cant camp, without high buildings where the people just think about their own KDr's, a map where the people have clear what to do. Underground pipes or some like that.