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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.26 22:02:00 -
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So today I went and changed from my normal PLC+Flaylock Assault to dual PLC Galmando, and many lolz were had.
I downed a Python in one match and couldn't down a Sica in the same one.
What surprised me was that I two hit the Python... Now mind you I only have lvl 3 in Galmando and was using a G-1 with basic PLCs, but really? Two hits?
Now, that same match, I put two rounds into this guys shields on the first encounter, which took his shields out. However, I found him again later on and something different happened. I put one round into his shields, after which he turned his hardener on with half his shields left. It took another two hits to break his shields, and after that, I shot one into his armor, taking out half of it. He then runs off, but it would have taken 5 hits to down him. I suspect he was using dual hardeners and maybe a shield extender, so there's that.
LAVs also take two hits to kill, at least Sagas do. So are Assault drop ships supposed to be flying LAVs?
Needless to say, this was most likely an anomaly, as normally, I wouldnt have been able to land two consecutive shots on an assault drop ship with a competent pilot.
I don't know what to think of this. I just wanted to share for some interesting discussion.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 22:20:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:So today I went and changed from my normal PLC+Flaylock Assault to dual PLC Galmando, and many lolz were had. I downed a Python in one match and couldn't down a Sica in the same one. What surprised me was that I two hit the Python... Now mind you I only have lvl 3 in Galmando and was using a G-1 with basic PLCs, but really? Two hits? Now, that same match, I put two rounds into this guys shields on the first encounter, which took his shields out. However, I found him again later on and something different happened. I put one round into his shields, after which he turned his hardener on with half his shields left. It took another two hits to break his shields, and after that, I shot one into his armor, taking out half of it. He then runs off, but it would have taken 5 hits to down him. I suspect he was using dual hardeners and maybe a shield extender, so there's that. LAVs also take two hits to kill, at least Sagas do. So are Assault drop ships supposed to be flying LAVs? Needless to say, this was most likely an anomaly, as normally, I wouldnt have been able to land two consecutive shots on an assault drop ship with a competent pilot. I don't know what to think of this. I just wanted to share for some interesting discussion.
It's fair balance for the dropships at least...... not so much for the HAV which is blood well broken and a shameless EHP *****.
Plasma Cannon's especially on a Gal Mando completely negate Shield Hardener resistance bonuses entirely. That means with a weapon that can do somewhere in the region of 1000 damage modified by your suit bonus, then by damage mods, then by efficiency bonuses, not to mention potential of hitting the engine pod weak points...... on a vehicle with roughly 2500 shield and 960 armour.......
Not surprised.
Thing about Shield HAV that is ungodly broken and I'll point this out about the Sica...... is that a Sica can have 9300 EHP and fit all proto modules.
1x Particle Cannon 1x Complex Extender 1x Complex Hardener 1x Complex 120mm Armour Plate 1x Complex PG Extender
from a total of 9346 EHP vs explosive AV options and roughly 8950 unmodified. I brought this up in Feed back forums for discussion with devs so don't start a whole bunch of new threads about this.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.27 01:14:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Stuff about god Sicas Lucky for me he wasn't running a blaster. He couldn't hit **** with a missile launcher.
Also, I had no idea you could do that with a Sica. That is completely BS as it makes Gunnlogis only marginally better, unless you add another hardener, but I'm not sure that is possible. Also, I can't fitnall proto modules on a militia suit if I wanted to, and militia suits also don't have only one slot difference...
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 01:16:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:True Adamance wrote:Stuff about god Sicas Lucky for me he wasn't running a blaster. He couldn't hit **** with a missile launcher. Also, I had no idea you could do that with a Sica. That is completely BS as it makes Gunnlogis only marginally better, unless you add another hardener, but I'm not sure that is possible. Also, I can't fitnall proto modules on a militia suit if I wanted to, and militia suits also don't have only one slot difference...
I brought this up and I hope Rattati reads it.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2014.11.27 02:46:00 -
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A decent fit (extender /hardner or booster/ afterburner) Python has, roughly 2200 shields 950armor.
a Sica without any HP modules 2650 shields 1500 base armor.
that might help.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.11.27 02:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:LUGMOS wrote:True Adamance wrote:Stuff about god Sicas Lucky for me he wasn't running a blaster. He couldn't hit **** with a missile launcher. Also, I had no idea you could do that with a Sica. That is completely BS as it makes Gunnlogis only marginally better, unless you add another hardener, but I'm not sure that is possible. Also, I can't fitnall proto modules on a militia suit if I wanted to, and militia suits also don't have only one slot difference... I brought this up and I hope Rattati reads it. Rat doesn't acknowledge vehicles unless its about killing them easier....soooo....good luck with that
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:03:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:LUGMOS wrote:True Adamance wrote:Stuff about god Sicas Lucky for me he wasn't running a blaster. He couldn't hit **** with a missile launcher. Also, I had no idea you could do that with a Sica. That is completely BS as it makes Gunnlogis only marginally better, unless you add another hardener, but I'm not sure that is possible. Also, I can't fitnall proto modules on a militia suit if I wanted to, and militia suits also don't have only one slot difference... I brought this up and I hope Rattati reads it. Rat doesn't acknowledge vehicles unless its about killing them easier....soooo....good luck with that
Indeed I want MLT and Standard HAV to be easier to kill.
Having 9-10K EHP should be the territory of Marauders.
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Lloyd Orfay
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:45:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:So today I went and changed from my normal PLC+Flaylock Assault to dual PLC Galmando, and many lolz were had. I downed a Python in one match and couldn't down a Sica in the same one. What surprised me was that I two hit the Python... Now mind you I only have lvl 3 in Galmando and was using a G-1 with basic PLCs, but really? Two hits? Now, that same match, I put two rounds into this guys shields on the first encounter, which took his shields out. However, I found him again later on and something different happened. I put one round into his shields, after which he turned his hardener on with half his shields left. It took another two hits to break his shields, and after that, I shot one into his armor, taking out half of it. He then runs off, but it would have taken 5 hits to down him. I suspect he was using dual hardeners and maybe a shield extender, so there's that. LAVs also take two hits to kill, at least Sagas do. So are Assault drop ships supposed to be flying LAVs? Needless to say, this was most likely an anomaly, as normally, I wouldnt have been able to land two consecutive shots on an assault drop ship with a competent pilot. I don't know what to think of this. I just wanted to share for some interesting discussion.
Yeah.
Current AV/Vehicle balance is a product of heavy incompetence. Then again, what isn't in this game?
My Isk payout gets lower and lower the more I play, even though I'm getting better. Smells like success.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:45:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:A decent fit (extender /hardner or booster/ afterburner) Python has, roughly 2200 shields 950armor.
a Sica without any HP modules 2650 shields 1500 base armor.
that might help.
That is what scared me. I believe the pilot of the drop ship had a gunner, and I'm not sure how much you have to sacrifice for that. I think he was just using no extenders, or I hit the weak spot.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:58:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:A decent fit (extender /hardner or booster/ afterburner) Python has, roughly 2200 shields 950armor.
a Sica without any HP modules 2650 shields 1500 base armor.
that might help.
That is what scared me. I believe the pilot of the drop ship had a gunner, and I'm not sure how much you have to sacrifice for that. I think he was just using no extenders, or I hit the weak spot.
There's noting wrong with the Shield tanks based HP values. One vehicle represents the pinnacle of Armour and Shielding on a slow moving ground vehicle the other is supposed to represent the medium armoured and shielded nimble movements of an aerial troop transport or medium attack vehicle.
Issue lies in Shield tank fitting capacity and what it allows for.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:There's noting wrong with the Shield tanks based HP values. One vehicle represents the pinnacle of Armour and Shielding on a slow moving ground vehicle the other is supposed to represent the medium armoured and shielded nimble movements of an aerial troop transport or medium attack vehicle.
Issue lies in Shield tank fitting capacity and what it allows for. Oh no, I can definitely agree with you here. I can't make a Dual tanked Soma or Madrugar if I wanted to, and the same should go for Sica and Gunnlogi. Im not exactly sure what it is that allows for this, I think it is the fact that the Gunnlogi has more fitting capacity, as I don't tank often, I don't know off the top of my head.
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