what happens when they ban an innocent customer that got banned because there would be no clear line of how urgent his matter was to go AFK for.. is it ok to not crap my pants or save a dying old person from a well just so you can ride my coat tail in a match i waited 5 minutes to que for?

I have better solution, 10WP or no payout at the end of game screen, that will take away AFKers motivation for AFKing, they may even be able to extend the timer before you're kicked. (I know how it feels to have to do something important and come back to a 'you have been kicked' screen)

What they need to do is have the afker if standing stil be kicked. If a moving afker that has no kills or death. They get no isk or exp. Thoes who try will get WP unless killed multiple times for tring but sill getting bit of exp n isk

Why not take away all SP and ISK (+ any Salvage) for people who have less than 10 WP at the EOM screen?

Ive never seen other games with an AFK problem like this one. Clearly though, the problem is obviously the players. Instead of looking at the reason they are AFKing, lets just punish punish punish. Thats always works. Treat the symptom instead of the problem and everything gets fixed, right?

Let me let you in on a little secret. No matter how many hair brained punishments you come up with, people will find workarounds, because you haven't fixed the real problem; Matchmaking and game balance. Allow me to elaborate:


Lets say a new player joins the game. Has a good time in the academy, since its not full of squad stompers desperate for vindication. Then, academy finishes...now what? Gets put into a match full of jerks. People that call in orbitals in the redline to shoot down the LAV you were going to use to get out of your starting base. I suspect these people being life by spawning on wet gym locker floors. Anyway though, whats this new player supposed to do? Here are the options:

1. Quit the game and play something else (most popular)

2. Squad up and lower yourself down to their level (2nd most popular choice)

3. AFK farm SP and ISK so that you have access to and can afford stuff better than militia gear (Popular enough thats its problematic. I suspect solo players who arent here looking for socialization do this the most)

4. Throw yourself in suicidal charges in militia gear so thjat the squads that have already made the match unpleasant can go ahead and pad their numbers a little more (Its a damn wonder why people dont log in to do this for 2 hours strait).



Say what you want, use whatever excuses you want (i got beat down and abused so now its my turn to do it to others ,ect). Fact is, until this is a game where a casual person can log in for a few hours and have fun without having to squad up with undesirables or play a role they dont want for endless hours....this problem will persist.

So you can either fix the problem, or waste time fixing the symptoms each time they manifest themselves in a new way. Anyone whos ever held a job knows damn well that its possible to look busy without actually doing anything useful. It will take 2 minutes to adapt AFK tactics to a fix that took 2 months to invent. Stop wasting time.

Believe it or not, AFK farming never existed until ISK and SP rewarding system was changed with the implementation of "time in game" being one of the factors.

As it stands, Scotty often put us into matches are either already half-way through (usually on the losing team) or almost finished and players that just recently came in deserve some compensation for having to go through the trouble of waiting for a match only to be put into a bad one or an almost-finishing one. That's what the current system was suppose to be for. To compensate you for the trouble of waiting only to see your patience wasted on a match that is almost over or with a team that's already losing.

AFKers, unfortunately, have been exploiting that since its implementation. We could take away the "time in game" factor from the rewarding equation, but that will only punish players who I just described above.

My proposal is to implement a tracking system similar to what Eve Online has for tracking bots and macros. The server would keep an eye out for players who seem to be AFKing, flag them, track their progress, and then ban them if they continue with the pattern of behavior exhibited by AFK players. Eve Online's Tranquility server does this without any problem and this is the same server that manages millions of transactions every day, billions of clicks, thousands of weapons at one time, and application of bonuses. I'm pretty sure Tranquility can handle it.

Regardless, I'm not going to leave a match just to be put into another and get the same scenario. Imma sit my ass down, spin in circles, and get some isk & sp. This isn't a new issue, this has been a rising issue in DUST for almost 1 1/2 years now.

CCP can fix this **** or they can allow afk farming. If you want players to participate more, find the issue why most of them don't ptfo. For me, it's proto stomping. I play pubs to make isk not get my ass stomped by squads who run proto on purpose... *cough* *cough* General TSO's Alliance members *cough* Rise of Legion Members *cough* are prime suspects of doing this. There are other alliances and corporation that do this, but from my experience I usually face them that do it.

There are others but this isn't a issue that hasn't just come out of the rise for nothing. Fix Proto Stompers/squads I won't have a reason to AFK anymore in pub matches.

I've seen newbies get 0WP plenty of times. If they're just out of battle academy and are using starter fits, they might frequently get 0WP and plenty deaths. They shouldn't be punished.

Not going to happen. AFK can't be "fixed" without full reconstruction of ISK/SP payout system. At this time CCP just can't fix it

There is a lot more reasons why the won't fix AFK Everyone should understand, that AFKers run for SP, they pay for boosters and etc, if they can't AFK - CCP lose profits



With current SP system there is no good solution, only bad and epic bad

A very neutral question:
Isn't it a 50/50 chance for you to be in a team WITH afkers as well as being in a team WITHOUT afkers?


If the answer is yes, then using isk or stat loss as an argument is invalid.




Try a better argument,
like afkers tend to make the battles not as good.
Even that is not really true as afking effectively means that on average the result is just smaller effective player count per side.

I've been on a side with no afkers against a side with 5. We cloned them by killing the afkers (between 3 of us we killed over 100 mercs). We definitely would have lost otherwise - they held the objective most of the match.

It's not only annoying, but can be game changing.

All players pay for time in battle should go to the regular battle pool which is divided up strictly on WP

Remove passive in battle SP and increase normal passive SP slightly

Make battle payouts 3 SP per WP



AFKing now rewards nothing and newbies can still grow.

What about when you get placed in a match that basically over and you have no chance to gain WP's , like being placed in a match at the end right before the MCC blowing up screen , or when you only have like 3 mins before the match ends and the team your placed on is redlined which gives you no opportunity to gain any WP's ???

I don't like AFKing either but half the time I can understand why this happens when facing stacked opponents and that player is overwhelmed and underequipped but I get placed into the end of matches like a third of my matches and that's not a understatement and the fact that I could get banned for that would be a problem .

simple fix would be player does not receive the end of match payment unless they have 50 war points or more. done. thats it.. it was simple and painless.. and since the afkers will not be getting sp or isk they will stop trying to afk farm.. meaning higher number of active players in a match

Just think about... CCP runs game for 2 years... and it feels like a beta-test. They did nothing... and not so long ago the sayed that "There is no more major client updates", so yea - THEY CAN'T FIX AFK.