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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:40:00 -
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The clip size of 18 for the TAC AR is too little.
The argument that 18 is fair because it is the same number of shots a ScR can make without overheating is a poor one. Properly managed heat buildup on the ScR can circumvent that restriction allowing the full 36 shots before reloading.
By limiting TAC AR to a clip size of 18 a virtual overheat mechanic is hard coded in and is inescapable.
There is also the ability of the ScR to charge shots for high alpha damage and, properly managed, can be done multiple times within that 36 rounds and even within 18 rounds. The TAC AR does not share this ability, making those 18 rounds even less effective by comparison.
And then there is the issue of range. ScR is a long range weapon. If overheat were to happen, chances are user is far enough away from opponent to allow for cool-down without user being killed in the interim. This may not be possible 100% of the time, but the possibility still exists and the probability is high.
Not true for the TAC AR. It is a cqc weapon. Keeping opponents within optimal range can be a dangerous game. Stopping a firefight in cqc to reload after only 18 shots, often one or two shots away from beating the opponent, leaves the user highly vulnerable to continued attack and often results in getting killed. This mechanic is completely counter intuitive to what cqc demands of a weapon.
I propose increasing the clip size to no less than 24 rounds and possibly to the full 36 rounds.
AKA - StarVenger
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
566
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:03:00 -
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lol, just switch to the ScR straightaway.
Take a bow
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback
1222
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Posted - 2014.11.25 21:55:00 -
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Lolno. What would even be the point of the Amassault bonus then?
I'd just start running TacAR in mine to save PG, and because it would be better.
Please, make my Opus pretty...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15044
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:02:00 -
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Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:The clip size of 18 for the TAC AR is too little.
The argument that 18 is fair because it is the same number of shots a ScR can make without overheating is a poor one. Properly managed heat buildup on the ScR can circumvent that restriction allowing the full 36 shots before reloading.
By limiting TAC AR to a clip size of 18 a virtual overheat mechanic is hard coded in and is inescapable.
There is also the ability of the ScR to charge shots for high alpha damage and, properly managed, can be done multiple times within that 36 rounds and even within 18 rounds. The TAC AR does not share this ability, making those 18 rounds even less effective by comparison.
And then there is the issue of range. ScR is a long range weapon. If overheat were to happen, chances are user is far enough away from opponent to allow for cool-down without user being killed in the interim. This may not be possible 100% of the time, but the possibility still exists and the probability is high.
Not true for the TAC AR. It is a cqc weapon. Keeping opponents within optimal range can be a dangerous game. Stopping a firefight in cqc to reload after only 18 shots, often one or two shots away from beating the opponent, leaves the user highly vulnerable to continued attack and often results in getting killed. This mechanic is completely counter intuitive to what cqc demands of a weapon.
I propose increasing the clip size to no less than 24 rounds.
I certainly cannot fire 36 shots consecutively in rapid succession from my Amarr Assault and when I try to do this I suffer at least a 5 second seize duration and then a cool down duration. Basically a longer than usual enforced reload.
Tac AR to fire 21-24 rounds at best since it does not suffer over heat at all.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
127
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote:The clip size of 18 for the TAC AR is too little.
The argument that 18 is fair because it is the same number of shots a ScR can make without overheating is a poor one. Properly managed heat buildup on the ScR can circumvent that restriction allowing the full 36 shots before reloading.
By limiting TAC AR to a clip size of 18 a virtual overheat mechanic is hard coded in and is inescapable.
There is also the ability of the ScR to charge shots for high alpha damage and, properly managed, can be done multiple times within that 36 rounds and even within 18 rounds. The TAC AR does not share this ability, making those 18 rounds even less effective by comparison.
And then there is the issue of range. ScR is a long range weapon. If overheat were to happen, chances are user is far enough away from opponent to allow for cool-down without user being killed in the interim. This may not be possible 100% of the time, but the possibility still exists and the probability is high.
Not true for the TAC AR. It is a cqc weapon. Keeping opponents within optimal range can be a dangerous game. Stopping a firefight in cqc to reload after only 18 shots, often one or two shots away from beating the opponent, leaves the user highly vulnerable to continued attack and often results in getting killed. This mechanic is completely counter intuitive to what cqc demands of a weapon.
I propose increasing the clip size to no less than 24 rounds. I certainly cannot fire 36 shots consecutively in rapid succession from my Amarr Assault and when I try to do this I suffer at least a 5 second seize duration and then a cool down duration. Basically a longer than usual enforced reload. Tac AR to fire 21-24 rounds at best since it does not suffer over heat at all. I think 22 rounds is a perfect number. If I'm going to win the fight with a TacAR those last 4 shots will do the trick 90% of the time. |
ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:57:00 -
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No, the TAR is fine, I use it all the time. It's like the scrambler rifle but more accurate, giving it a bigger clip will make it OP.
The scrambler rifle doesn't get up to a 50% recoil reduction, so getting more shots to shoot than the TAR seems balanced to me.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
8635
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Posted - 2014.11.27 16:23:00 -
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OMG BUT DEY SCRAMBLURE RIfle Is so harD to Menage oveheart watEVER shell I due? Ony L337 PRO playas can Menage Uberheat and fiya moe dan 8-teen rounds. Like Heavy SUits. It's SOOO Hard too Menage Ovberheating awn d HMG.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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Topher Mellen
Scott-Mellen Corporation
130
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Posted - 2014.11.27 16:29:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:No, the TAR is fine, I use it all the time. It's like the scrambler rifle but more accurate, giving it a bigger clip will make it OP.
The scrambler rifle doesn't get up to a 50% recoil reduction, so getting more shots to shoot than the TAR seems balanced to me. I haven't tried it since the recent balancing changes, but I remember very clearly being gimped by it earlier on. It needed something then, that's for sure. I'll give it a try when I spec back into assault rifles. Right now I'm busy maxing out my Ion Pistol. |
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