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Jynx'D
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:00 -
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Jynx'D wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Ace Boone wrote:What did you create again? I must've forgot A PC proposal! With the help of my lovely broseph's in the CPM. No passive isk...but a whole lot of funsies! Why not share this proposal with the community rather then just your friends?
Anyone on CPM care to tell the rest of us what this change is? Otherwise, it's plain abuse on Zatara's part to withhold information that should be shared so that his alliance will have an edge.
A link explaining this change would be appreciated, as there's no way Zatara would abuse CPM, right? |
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:00:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:It's fundamentally impossible for Zatara not to have advance notice over other PC players on PC changes of any sort because :NDA:. The CPM's proposal is not, anyways, necessarily "the future", just our suggestions for one. There's good reasons we decided not to publicize it. But it's not "this change" as it is not a development on behalf of CCP.
I do not feel that foreknowledge of any upcoming changes in this regard, should they occur, will allow Zatara an advantage over other players, as I am ruthless at insisting any such plans be designed in such a way that Zatara's donut maintaining dominance be much much harder. And any such new changes be relatively difficult to exploit for easy profit with low effort.
Furthermore, should any such changes come down the pipeline on CCP's end, we'd encourage CCP to get the details in public as soon as humanly possible so that everyone can figure out how to break the changes so those holes can be fixed and everyone can plan well ahead of actual implementation. Thank for this reply, it's good to know CPM considers the PC players situation in regards to CPM knowledge.
But there's one thing that still bothers me - You're relying on CCP to pass the information around while Zatara is doing it himself for his alliance with first hand knowledge - there's no telling when the rest of us will be made aware of this knowledge.
Wether or not that actually holds relevance depends on the content change, though. But that sort of practice should be highly frowned upon by you CPM and you should consider talking to him about withholding information like to no one but his own alliance. He could of just made a post himself explaining it - instead he shared it with only his own alliance, and since there's no other PC CPM - his group would be the only one with the advanced warning. |
Jynx'D
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:12:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Zatara's suggestion is not covered by the NDA until someone at CCP actually says "Yes".
CPM members have hundreds of ideas that they share with their friends or on the forums which never get into the game. Then am I to understand the changes Zatara are talking about are not ones headed to the game - but are just ones he want?
Because, if you check the thread the post is from in the war room - it sounds more like the changes ARE coming and he's letting his alliance know before CCP goes public with it. So instead of the week heads up the rest of us gets - he gets several weeks, so he can make deals and plans with groups unaware of the change until the last week
It's a terrible practice. |
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:34:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:I am saying that once Rattati says "Yes" that Zatara is no longer allowed to talk to his Corp about it. To extend that statement, it means he is not allowed to tell his Corp about tweaks that are made to the suggestion after Rattati says "Yes" to the idea. So by the time the rest of the CPM and CCP are done with it, what actually gets into the game might look very different than the idea that Zatara talked to his Corp members about.
Thank you, Zatara is unable to articulate this to us in War Room so a lot of us were concerned.
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Jynx'D
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:39:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Things Zatara is talking about may or may not head to the game, depending what suggestions or proposals CCP likes and finds feasible and worthwhile to implement, or what ideas they may have and prefer of their own.
It is important for CPM to gather feedback from members of the community, and I think that is what Zatara is doing or should be doing, having not been personally present at any such conversation. It is reasonable to think one would get feedback on how to fix PC from PC players. As a whole, I don't think "the CPM proposal" should be shared, but I would not be surprised if elements were discussed with players in the line of collecting feedback.
I also think the community needs more than a week of notice on any sort of change to PC, because feedback, and time to implement that feedback, should be considered a requirement. Refusing to share PC change information with War Room is anything but trying to gather community input - that is information sharing and nothing but. |
Jynx'D
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:42:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:No CPM abuse. Just more :tinfoiling: from people. Glad it's been put to bed. =) And if someone else on the CPM wants to write a post explaining the details of the proposal I say go for it. I've volunteered to do it on comms. And the offer stands. But I don't have the attention span to write a few Arkena worthy posts. Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore. |
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:27:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote: Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore.
Uh huh. alright there bud. ^--- still refuses to discuss the PC changes in war room fyi
Yup, he's just looking to get community 'input' lol |
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Posted - 2014.11.25 21:55:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote: Read last post - you're still abusing, its just not on a level that even I care about anymore.
Uh huh. alright there bud. ^--- still refuses to discuss the PC changes in war room fyi Yup, he's just looking to get community 'input' lol It's true. I am Kane 2.0 people. bend the knee to my awesome powuhhhhhhh. ...
Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible? |
Jynx'D
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:01:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote: ...
Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible?
I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again. You just called yourself Kain 2.0 over my comments.
Do you even know what context means? Stop posting, this thread is over with, I don't need more example of why you're a retard. |
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:14:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote: ...
Kain never abused CPM. Will your lying cover every topic possible?
I never said he did. That's the whole joke..it just went over your head again. You just called yourself Kain 2.0 over my comments. Do you even know what context means? Stop posting, this thread is over with, I don't need more example of why you're a ret ard. Precisely...Kane 2.0. The dude everyone tried to say was abusing the CPM...when he never was. SMDH He would of made an open discussion over the topic and not just relayed w/e he could to his alliance. Do not compare yourself to him. |
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Jynx'D
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I think this chat has probably descended to War Room territory. ;) If you two want to keep flirting with each other, take it over there. Will do o7
Keep up the great work CPM - you guys are making me eat my words I said months ago. |
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As a member of FA, confirming we have been told all about all the secrets ever and are planning our 100% MH domination abusing elite CPM hax and info so we can farm the [REDACTED] that is coming.
This tinfoiling really gets old. Bumping threads that moved on is even older. Leave this dead you damn troll. |
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Posted - 2014.11.29 15:51:00 -
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If I hear one more time that you are exchanging information with only your alliance to get input instead of the Dust community I will make bat **** noise the likes this forums has never seen - that input is for us all to share and discuss - not just you and your ******* friends. You're the only CPM with a PC background and you're handling **** this way?
and this is a threat, Zatara, I will burn you if you do this again. It's shady and underhanded as **** and I will scream CPM abuse till I am blue in the face if you continue. Especially because it's content you want to convince CCP to add to the game. |
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:15:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Jynx'D wrote: You used your PC position as your platform - so try not forget that as you use your CPM status to discuss things with only your alliance and not the rest of us.
Still heresay..I've shared **** tons of daydreaming and ideas to numerous people outside of alliance. Don't drink the kool-aid. Toss the tin-foil. It's been on the outs since FF. kool-aid is delicious btw - we spiked it with some of the best foreign alcohol ISK could buy.
but please, zatara, i beg you, be more open with this!~ PC guys only have you to make us think we're represented - but you pay the GD peasants more attention then us.
And what info you are able to share you've opted to share with only your channels.
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